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  • The good boys and girls aren't going to know who 2B is. Just because Neir Automata is critically acclaimed does not mean everyone will recognize her.
    Perkilator
    Perkilator
    There were plenty of characters on the roster that not everyone would recognize. Heck, there were plenty I didn’t recognize when I first played Brawl.
    Janx_uwu
    Janx_uwu
    I still don’t know what the heck a Byleth is.
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    Perkilator Perkilator Yup. That's the interesting thing about the whole "popular" or "recognizable" argument. When you use it in favor of a character, it's got some merit to it. When you use it against a character it falls completely flat and makes the people using the argument sound biased and salty. Kind of ironic how that works huh?
    Banjo-Kazooie and Cuphead get to have content in Smash but Minecraft gets nothing? Steve must join. His stage should be a Minecraft world where you can destroy the ground and dig down to the bedrock, most of his music tracks should be new remixes because most Minecraft music is too calm for Smash and also Alex, Zombie, Creeper, Skeleton, Spider, Enderman, the Ender Dragon and the Farm Animals could be the spirits.
    Janx_uwu
    Janx_uwu
    I'm honestly cool with either him or Master Chief as the next Microsoft rep. To me, they seem equally important to gaming culture-though I'm sure the numbers would prove me wrong.
    What if, instead of Rex or Elma, we get the Xenoblade 3 protagonist?
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    zacian
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    All of the characters on Fighter Pass 2 were decided last year. Before the Byleth presentation even came out. There's still debate in the Xenoblade community as to whether or the next game will even be Xenoblade 3. Some people think we'll get X2 first and even then, the remake of the original came out earlier this year.

    Right now there isn't a Xenoblade 3 that Fighter Pass 2 could have pulled from.
    Spongeboob
    Spongeboob
    I'm not sure about that. Ignoring that he'll/she'll intentionally be put in a game before his/her own game,I haven't seen the protagonist of Xenoblade Chronicles 3 in action.
    There needs to be a Lego game where you play through the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
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    Inkling Man
    Inkling Man
    Yes I mean exclusively the sequels. It could be like the first two Lego Star Wars games where there's 5 or 6 levels based on each of the three films.
    Inkling Man
    Inkling Man
    The Last Jedi's 6 levels could be the bombing mission, the casino, the fight against Luke Skywalker, infiltrating thebStar Destroyer, the fight against the silver stormtrooper and the fight against Snoke.
    Hollywoodrok12
    Hollywoodrok12
    IIRC all 9 episodes are supposed to get 5 levels apiece, so I could see infiltrating the Star Destroyer and the fight against Phasma (the silver stormtrooper) being merged. Even if you're a big sequel fan, it's not that bad, considering, at worst, it's 3 levels (which, again, will probably be merged with another level) in exchange for 30 more from the first 2 trilogies.
    If Sakurai doesn't care about western characters, then why did he put so much thought and care into designing Spiral Mountain? The Honeycombs and Extra Lives are where they are in Banjo-Kazooie and the key characters all appear in it. Buzzbombs are in it because a Buzzbomb is the very first character you see when you start up the game.
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    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    Generally speaking, I figure that he wouldn't want Nintendo to take the risk of easily-mistranslated negotiations until there is no other choice (AKA running out of noteworthy Japanese properties that aren't in yet).
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    RetrogamerMax
    So accounting big Japanese names to not be in Smash yet, who is left?

    I know there is a lot when bringing up more potential reps for 3rd party franchises already in Smash, but I'm talking about iconic protagonist icons. I can think of:

    Heihachi (More of antagonist but still the face of Tekken)
    Nightmare (Same as Heihachi)
    Sora
    Goemon (Though he is only really somewhat iconic in Japan)
    Bill/Lance (Contra bois)
    Crono
    2B
    Phoenix Wright
    Layton
    Dante
    Jibanyan
    Frogger
    Nights

    There is quite a good amount of names I can't think off the top of my head right now as well. But the western void is a lot bigger in terms of big icons not yet in such as:

    Master Chief
    Crash Bandicoot
    Spyro
    Rayman
    Kratos
    Lara Croft
    Ezio Auditore
    Big Daddy
    Doom Slayer
    Sly Cooper
    Ratchet & Clank
    Jack & Daxter

    And a lot, lot more.
    Venus of the Desert Bloom
    Venus of the Desert Bloom
    While this was written in February, this is the top 15 characters for Japanese fans. Like any English version, this isn’t concrete proof this is what Japan is wants but it’s pretty much on target in the Japanese circles I’m apart of. Starts at 15 and then goes down to the first place.

    Remember the ARMS Party Crash Bash? Min Min was the winner of it and maybe a Smash invitation was the prize all along. The ARMS rep would have been any of the 15 characters if any of them won.
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    RetrogamerMax
    You could be right since Sakurai was considering both Min Min and Ninjara and both of them got 1st and 2nd place in the Party Bash.
    Inkling Man
    Inkling Man
    And maybe a Mii costume was the runner up prize which is why Ninjara got a Mii costume. But I wonder, what if either Spring Man or Ribbon Girl came in 2nd place? What would they get?
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    RetrogamerMax
    Spring Man probably would have gotten a Mii costume as well. I think it probably didn't matter whether Min Min won the Party Bash or not as Sakurai went to the Arms creator to ask who to put in the game despite him already having Min Min as a top candidate. The Arms creator I think would have always gone with Min Min as it seemed it was a personal choice not only because Min Min was the fan favorite among fans, but as a favorite among some of the Arms staff including the creator as well.
    3D World on Switch means Xenoblade Chronicles X can be on Switch too. Elma could also be in Vol. 2 as an ad character for the Switch version.
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    Perkilator
    Perkilator
    3D World isn't nearly as big as Xenoblade X. In fact, the latter was so big that (to my memory) technical parts of the game were DLC.
    Rule of thumb, if tons of leakers talk a lot about an unannounced game that's coming in the future, then that game is most likely real. Paper Mario for Switch was real and Mario 3D All Stars was real and leakers talked about them a lot before they were announced.
    If Mario 3D All Stars is a limited time release then they probably won't make very many copies of it. And after the time is over it will probably get pulled from both the eShop and real stores but if you're lucky you can find it at your local used game store or a garage sale.
    When I first watched Force Awakens, I thought the giant hologram of Snoke was his actual size. Would he have been better if he actually was giant?
    ARMS should be at EVO 2021. If Smash can be part of it ARMS can too.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    ARMS is not a good competitive game in the slightest, there is barely anything resembling a skill curve - the only tactic you can learn is faster reflexes, nothing beyond that.
    Some say Banjo is the only western character in Smash but you could make the argument that Banjo is a Donkey Kong character because he first appeared in a DK game and that Banjo-Kazooie is a DK spin off series because Rare said the DK and BK universes are linked.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    If Banjo is a Donkey Kong character, so is the Great Mighty Poo.

    Think before you speak.
    RealPokeFan11
    RealPokeFan11
    Continuing this argument, this also means the Great Mighty Poo is a Mario character, since Donkey Kong is also a Mario character lol (jk)

    While all of these characters may lie within the same universe, that does not mean Banjo is a DK character, or the Great Mighty Poo is a Mario character.

    (Reworded for clarity)
    BonafideFella
    BonafideFella
    Confound that Mr Pants, diluting everything I hold dear in relation to Donkey Kong
    Gaps between the release dates for characters that are part of the same Fighter's Pass are always 2-3 months apart. Min Min isn't part of Vol. 1 and it's been 2 months since she released. FP7 will probably release soon.
    When N64 games come to Switch Online, Super Mario 64, OOT, Mario Kart 64, Star Fox 64 and Banjo-Kazooie should be the first ones to be added. N64 games must take longer to port than NES and SNES games do so it would makes sense if there were only 5 to start with.
    Janx_uwu
    Janx_uwu
    I feel like if they did B-K for switch, it’d most likely be in a pack with it’s sequel on the eShop. Kinda like how Megaman X legacy collections are on the eShop, but Megaman X isn’t on SNES online.
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    "when" implies it actually will happen (it won't)
    Venus of the Desert Bloom
    Venus of the Desert Bloom
    If that was to happen, I would say take down B&K and add Ocarina of Time instead. Then, later, add B&K in a package along with Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, BlastCorps, and Conker. Feels more natural that way. But like SGoW implies, it probably won’t ever happen.
    It don't matter if a character is Japanese or western. If a character has at least some Japanese fans that's the only thing that matters because Japan gets the first say in what characters should join.
    Janx_uwu
    Janx_uwu
    Well, that’s certainly a pessimistic way to look at it.
    Captain Toad could work as a Smash character if he had the ability to take off his backpack. When it's off he can jump but he won't be able to do attacks that involve the backpack. When the backpack is on him, he's hard to launch and he can't jump.
    Min Min's four made up alts should have referenced other ARMS characters. If she had an alt that resembles Dr. Coyle, she would have a green hat and a green and black shirt and her arms would be the color gold.
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    Venus of the Desert Bloom
    Venus of the Desert Bloom
    This I agree with. I think it was a missed opportunity to not have Alt colors directly referencing the ARMS roster. I would have even been fine with them referencing only female characters.
    Ultimate has something for everyone. That means Ultimate's target demographic is everyone. Plus Sakurai never said Ultimate was only for good boys and girls so I could be right about this.
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    I mean, Sakurai himself was apparently not pleased when he learned that Western fans essentially put words in his mouth (which is nothing new, but still).

    Also, some of Nintendo's localizers can go overboard...
    Champion of Hyrule
    Champion of Hyrule
    We’re you at one point taking the phrase “A game for good boys and girls” seriously?
    Inkling Man
    Octo Expansion is one of the best DLC expansions for any game ever. It's challenging, it has a memorable and well written story and you can win gear, coins and drink tickets in it.
    In Smash 6, Min Min's shield needs to be the one she uses in ARMS while guarding. The Spring Man assist trophy has his ARMS shield so why not give Min Min hers?
    When you realize Randal from FE Echoes is voiced by Squidward.
    In WoL they need to add the ability to skip spirit battles and come back to them later but you can't go into warp portals on the map until you collect enough spirits. For example you'd need to collect 25 spirits to enter the Molten Fortress map.
    I like how the plot of SM64DS is different from the original. Yoshi is the real hero in the DS version. Without him, Mario wouldn't be able to defeat Bowser.
    Why is Banjo singled out for being a western character when Diddy Kong and King K. Rool are western too? Plus Banjo is a DK character too since he first appeared in a DK game.
    Inkling Man
    Inkling Man
    But they were all invented by Rare. All of them were designed by Greg Mayles too.
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    Lionfranky
    Difference is that Diddy and KKR were created characters under Donkey Kong franchise, Nintendo owned franchise. While Banjo first showed up in Diddy Kong racing, Banjo's games became totally indepedant from Donkey Kong franchise. Rare made Banjo(game) from scratch. That's why they own the ip. Banjo was not burrowed ip.
    Megadoomer
    Megadoomer
    Banjo and Kazooie are fully owned by Microsoft, a western company. Diddy and K. Rool might have been created by a British company, and Dark Samus was created by an American company, but all three of those characters are owned by Nintendo, a Japanese company.

    Banjo and Kazooie are the first characters owned by a non-Japanese company to be playable in Smash.
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