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  • Oz o:
    I don't know why I always root for ESAM & Fatality. I never even played these characters. I absolutely want Fatality to win a major.
    MilkCalf
    MilkCalf
    I've seen a few Fatality matches and he is just really good and has good enough strategy to beat even good high tier character players. And also he is just looks like a nice guy.
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    Oz o:
    Thinking about it, "reverse 3-0" doesn't like like a 3-0 at all. It's a reverse 2-0. The 3-0 doesn't settle until it actually happens. What if you 3 stocked that person? That was nowhere close to the 3-0.
    MilkCalf
    MilkCalf
    The logic there probably is that the 3-0 would have happened but you blocked or reversed it due to a shift in playstyle.
    Oz o:
    corrin is not low tier jesus ****ing christ
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    Oz o:
    Oz o:
    Who are so much better than Corrin that they outclass him? Top dogs like Lucina, Chrom & Roy? A well-developed Shulk? That's it. I don't think Ike is better, he's just easy to use at lower levels.

    Corrin is probably the most flexible among swordsmen other than Lucina, and maybe Shulk. He has no one big weakness, and the ones that are mostly shared among every swordsmen (not having a Frame 5-6 Up B like Marth & Lucina). He has one of the better recoveries among them after the buff, 3-4 aerials that are safe on shield, passable combos and probably the best frametrap game. I would say he has the best juggling game, but it's probably not as good next to guys like Chrom & Roy who have amazing ground & air mobility.

    This, alone, is not anything lower the medium of Mid tier. You're a sword character, you have more than one safe shield poke, good neutal (pokes & Pin). It's not like he even struggles killing. He's probably better than Lucina at that aspect, who's pretty much just Bair or an F-Smash read.
    Wigglerman
    Wigglerman
    All sounds good on paper yet Corrin isn't getting any momentum while even Ike is performing better. Corrin's problem is speed, not that great air mobility and a lot of his/her combos got hit hard this game. You may try to make light of Lucina 'fair/bair' but there's a reason it works. It has good reach, good arcs and can be combo'd into on a lot of characters. She walls people out better, can cross up easier and gets kills pretty darn easily. Even Roy/Chrom can rack damage and get kills super easy while Corrin still struggles to get killing strokes. Pin is still good but not Smash 4 good and isn't quite as reliable (Believe the kick attack is also weaker this game).

    If Corrin is as good as you say or think they are, they'd be used more and they'd get noticable results. I'm not saying Corrin is 'bad' but Corrin isn't exactly great or even 'good'. Corrin might be just bare bones middle of the line and has nothing really stellar going for them.
    Oz o:
    Oz o:
    Honestly, I don't think you're right in the last part. A lot of people automatically assumed characters a lot worse for simply not playing the same, or for having a minor nerf. I feel it's no different for Corrin. People just automatically assumed they're a lot worse because of the recovery and the Pin kickback (which wasn't even that safe against high/Top tier or fast characters, in general). I think the drop down is a better mixup than always kicking away and giving away stage control.

    If anything, I think Corrin better, here. Plays a lot more like an actual swordsman, and the whole meta doesn't rely on shieldrop Pin. If anything, the new dashing mechanics make it more optimal to whiff punish off of Pin, instead of having to rely on shield dropping. He's also not as "slow" as people keep saying. They're not using foxthrot nearly as much (a decent boost from 1.4ish > 1.8+). I've solo mained Corrin in Smash 4 since he came out, and while I don't main him in Ultimate, I definitely feel more sense of flexibility here. There's minor things that got tweaked, but then it also feels like other areas got subtle buffs like these (Uair seems to have a better hitbox, for example).

    Again, I don't think people would realise this and just start using the character a lot. And this isn't just Corrin. ZSS "sucked" until Marss, and Rosalina was likely a lot worse until Dabuz. Wait until Cosmos actually starts using the character for real, and maybe that'll make people understand.
    Oz o:
    If you appreciate Byleth being in Smash, I need to talk to you.
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    Oz o:
    Oz o:
    You.
    How do you feel about Byleth.
    StarBot
    StarBot
    Oz o: Oz o: pretty good, I kinda expecting it
    I'm just glad to see my girl
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    Oz o:
    Oz o:
    Very well...

    I don't have many people to vent my frustration on. It's 8 days, and I can't wait that much to decide whether or not I'm using him. I rarely use characters halfway, which means I'm either all in or all out. If I actually do end up using him, there might be a chance he might become main material, and I don't want to accept that. :D ):

    Watching Sakurai's gameplay and framedata isn't enough for me. I really need to try, to see for myself. Running speed and frame data isn't everything, and it won't trivialise the character for me. I have faith in their stronger aspects, and that they can be worked around.
    Oz o:
    It's funny how, basically the first DLC character I'm genuinely interested in apparently is getting negative reactions.

    I really like Byleth's character model, expressions and moveset design. The only turn off is how slow they might end up being...
    Oz o:
    The first DLC character I'm genuinely interested at first impression, and Sakurai starts with "but they're slow- SLOWER THAN ROBIN". Huge turn-off, because I was liking the design and moveset.
    AEMehr
    AEMehr
    you misunderstand
    he said he was faster than robin

    this still doesnt mean anything
    Oz o:
    Oz o:
    HE DID???? Well... there's still fox throtting as a last hope.
    Oz o:
    I don't know why, but Nairo tends to bore me in Ultimate. Maybe it's just Palutena. Seeing a Nairo-Dabuz Grand Finals yesterday was quite the turn off.
    Oz o:
    Doesn't it amuse you the trend of "free trials" that are free, but only as long as you pay afterwards?
    Oz o:
    I've been playing competitive Smash for years and I still have no idea how stages make a big difference. I just always go the ones I'm comfterble with.
    Oz o:
    I will forever play far better in friendlies than I ever did in tournament. I 2-stocked the guy that 0-death'd me in bracket last week.
    Oz o:
    Looking at it, 2019 has been quite a crappy year for me. Constant dissappointment, feeling sorry for myself and repeating the same mistakes over and over again. The plus side? I realise them. Knowing you have a problem, is the first step to getting it out of your life.

    This is it. This is the end. And the beggining.
    Oz o:
    Don't make the same mistake I did. Don't live a lie. Go to tournaments because you want to, and not because they tell you it's the only way to be "good" at the game. I lied to myself for years, thinking doing the same crap would get me somewhere.
    Oz o:
    my mom doesn't want to me to listen to Marilyn Manson >:(
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    Jack_White
    Jack_White
    Just listen to it while she’s not around or use headphones.
    Coolboy
    Coolboy
    no offense btw but your 24 right? you can listen to whatever the hell you want! unless you are in the same room..then it can be annoying to hear songs you hate lol
    Oz o:
    Oz o:
    She just said she doesn't like it and that people "she knew" whom listened to MM killed themselves. It's not like she actually prohibits me or I'd stop, either way.
    Oz o:
    How is Bowser really better than Smash 4? The only real buff (as far as I know) seems to be Side B Frame 8 > Frame 6, but even then it's not a huge buff since most Bowsers just use it out of shield drop, and it's essesntially the same in the air. Up B OoS has always been Frame 6, so there's no change there. Hell, Smash 4 Bowser even had grab combos from 0 all the way to kill confirms past 100.

    All I can think of is he's just better in the new game's mechanics.
    Oz o:
    Is it wrong to edit a clip just for the kill cam? The kill was there, it just looks a lot more flashy when the slow mo is there.
    Oz o:
    I'd probably be happy if they just give Zelda Ivysaur's Uair. It's basically the there, it just needs to hit lower.
    Oz o:
    It makes me sad to quit competitive Smash. I really like Zelda. I just want to play for her...
    Oz o:
    People make this whole dilemma about "grinding", and that the suffering is all worth it in the end. I think otherwise. If something seems so grueling and awful to go through, and you can't even picture a light at the end of the tunnel, I'm pretty sure it isn't for you.
    Oz o:
    I think it's really sad when you have one real hobby, something you seem to genuinely enjoy, and even that isn't for you. This is bull****.
    Oz o:
    Pretty sure I have some sort of addiction at this point. I'm starting to realise I actually hate competitive, and I basically want to quit every single week. It sucks, and I don't know why I keep doing it. Keep lying to yourself that it might eventually get better, but after how much more disappointment? This is basically addiction.
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