The HARDEST Match-Up(s) For Each Character - Block 4: Olimar, Pikachu & Kirby.

[TEECO]

Wario- Marth

ROB- MK/ZSS

Lucario- G&W

 

[Underload]

Wario - Marth

ROB - Zero Suit / Metaknight

Lucario - King Dedede

 

[Alphicans]

Could someone explain why D3 is so hard for lucario? I really don't get it.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

While DDD is easy to punish, Lucario's punishment game isn't that great.

Dair sucks against DDD since it puts us in the way of his Utilt. He outranges us, and can slow our projectile game down. In the air his Bair will beat our Fair, Nair, and bair. He also has a chaingrab on us that can rack a lot of dmamage on us.

That's what I can see, it sounds bad for Luc, but I dunno, I only know of 2 good DDD's around here. So I can't say for sure if it his the absolute worst.

Half of the Lucario board thinks Snake has an advantage, I think it's a neutral but eh, just might be difference in playstyle and difficulty.

So it's either, G&W, DDD, or Marth for his absolute worst.

 

[AvaricePanda]

1. The infinite is easy to do and dsmash is not a hard attack to land. We land them all the time, please stop spewing this crap.
2. ROB has a terrible time against ZSS with or without the infinite. Before its discovery it was anywhere from 65:35 to 70:30 and with the infinite it isn't winnable. One dsmash = lost stock.

Sorry, I really don't main ZSS and just assumed the ROB could space away from Dsmashes and still play effectively. But the fact that ZSS has that **** of a matchup anyway...

And I know the infinite is easy.

okay, so then ROB is ZSS.

 

[Alphicans]

By the sounds of it, D3 has the same advantages he has against lucario as he does against most characters. With that said, I'd say GaW is lucario's worst match-up.

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

It's definitely not G&W lol. There are at least 3 or 4 worse matchups.

DDD outcamps Lucario (Waddle Dees cancel out Aura Sphere at any %) and wreaks his liner approaches with his ridiculous grab range which leads to getting chaingrabbed which leads to more pain offstage from his bair because Lucario has no way to deal with it in the air.

 

[OutlawStar]

For some reason for me, Ike is really weak against Pikachu.

 

[da K.I.D.]

each grab by DDD (which is not hard to land on lucario) also leads to a gimp attempt

Also, the screen name of the poster above me is absolutely amazing

 

[Affinity]

I'm surprised to see IC's isn't put as DDD's hardest match-up.

 

[Steeler]

For some reason for me, Ike is really weak against Pikachu.

anyone that attended "kahoka me your moves" disagrees with this statement

 

[darkNES386]

Sonic: Marth, Wario

Marth has obvious range and spacing skills but Sonic's ability to shield cancel dashes with awesome horizontal momentum make those short hop aerials less effective. Marth is also quite gimpable and Sonic's strong recovery makes it hard for Marth to gimp him.

Everything about Wario minus a projectile hurts Sonic's game:

-Heavy: hard to KO.
-Strong Recovery: Sonic can't hope to kill Wario at low percents.
-Aerial Movement: Floaty characters make Sonic's ground game difficult.

 

[Crizthakidd]

mk - a diff color MK

 

[Snowstalker]

From what I've heard about Wario, his hardest matches are Marth and Meta Knight.

I would have said Yoshi, but now the consensus is that it's neutral or in Wario's favor.

 

[brinboy789]

From what I've heard about Wario, his hardest matches are Marth and Meta Knight.

I would have said Yoshi, but now the consensus is that it's neutral or in Wario's favor.

are you serious? i know that your highly proban, but this is ridiculous. if you ever BOTHERED to go to either MK OR wario boards, you can tell that its either neutral or SLIGHTLY to MK's favor. either way, no way in hell its wario's hardest matchup. GG

 

[SuSa]

I know it's done and over with.

But I'm going to read all 17 pages to see who said:

"Snake : DDD"

 

[Snowstalker]

I've actually changed on that. I'm more neutral than anything.

But yeah, I'll agree on W vs. MK as 45:55.

 

[Uffe]

I would actually say that PT is probably Ness's worst fight, but there's still G&W.

Nope. I don't know the match up versus PT, but I can tell you it's not that bad. Take away the CG and we're fine. The match up against G&W is weird for Ness. However, the worst match up for Ness is Marth and that's not because of a CG.

 

[xDD-Master]

@SuSa: It maybe is Olimar...

For DDD I can say that I dont have problems against Snake with him, and I dont have that big Problems against DDDs with Snake, so I would say it's pretty even. But thats only personal experience.

But so is Olimar... maybe Olimar has the adventage :S

I'm not sure...

 

[MorphedChaos]

Wario's worst matchup is Marth, and thats not too bad at 6:4

Also, MK goes even with Wario, why isn't that listed?

 

[Adriel]

I feel that Lucario's worst match-up is Snake, 'cause he can outcamp you kinda and up-tilt. DDD can rack up damage if you stay in the middle too much, but the match-up really isn't that bad in my opinion if you camp next to the ledge and look for openings. DDD is going to be KO'ing with b-air mostly, and sometimes f-air, which are both difficult to land on Lucario, so you are going to stay at high percent for a while.

 

[Marcbri]

Wario : Marth

ROB : Zero Suit Samus ( Mk without infinite)

Lucario : DDD or Wario

Wario is impossible to kill with lucario if you aren't at high %, and he can camp you and kill you early with a fart, then you are done for D:

 

[The Sìrén]

In my opinion, a good Lucas can really throw off my Diddy.

It might be because my bro mains him and gets a ton of experience against my Diddy, but to me it seems like a bunch of his moves are counters to my playstyle. For example, of course as Diddy I'm gonna try to glide toss a nanner towards him, but Lucas, as many probably know, have many couters to nanners. Lucas's Fsmash can REPEL your nanners and send them FLYING back at you. His PK fire has a similar effect; it doesn't actually repel the banana, but instead acts as a long ranged sheild. HE also has many small true combos on Diddy, including his Dthrow-->Utilt. His PK Thunder can easily gimp your recovery, too..and get caught in Usmash, you're gone at like 80%. It's rediculous.

Anyone feel the same?

 

[Magik0722]

I think PTs worst matchups in order are
Falco
Marth
GaW
ZSS
MK

I also know PT does extremely well against Ness however i do not know ness to well so perhaps Marth is a even worse matchup for him.
Squirtle: can water gun gimp his recovery and also same old tilt locks and fairs to build up damage to get him of the stage in the first place
Ivysuar: not much really but it is very common to not use a pokemon in alot of matchups and in this one i avoid ivysuar simply because squirtle and charizard do better not anything with ivysuar being bad.
Charizard: The awesome CG which is almost an infinite overall charizard just dominates Ness.

 

[professor mgw]

olimar and mk are snake's ONLY hard match ups.
everyone is borderline.

 

[Klutch with big D]

mk's hardest match up is himself..........what the crap.......BAN HIM
also, mk is everyones hardest matchup, HE CAN CHAINGRAB poor ness, and they are saying ness's hardest is marth...NO. Its meta, and mk should be assasinated.

 

[|RK|]

Lucario's is definitely Dedede. Close is Marth, since everything he does outranges everything Lucario has, minus Aura Sphere and F-Smash.

 

[Kitamerby]

Lucario's is Snake, DDD, and to an extent Olimar. Marth and MK are a little bit behind.

 

[|RK|]

I said that Marth was close, didn't say he wasn't behind. 'Cause he does outrange everything Lucario can do, minus two moves.

But I figure Dedede... maybe him and Snake are tied...

Gah, this is what happens when all your worst matchups are 60:40...

 

[swordgard]

1. The infinite is easy to do and dsmash is not a hard attack to land. We land them all the time, please stop spewing this crap.
2. ROB has a terrible time against ZSS with or without the infinite. Before its discovery it was anywhere from 65:35 to 70:30 and with the infinite it isn't winnable. One dsmash = lost stock.

Lol, how was ZSS a hard counter for rob before the infinite.

Seriously, ZSS had no way to outspam rob nor outrange him in the air except with Side-B which you can SDI out of if its not the last hit .

 

[Shadow13]

i think you could accuarately say that everyone has a good matchup vs Gannon
lol

 

[PhantomX]

Wario's hardest is definitely D3.

 

[Anth0ny]

Wario: DDD
ROB: DDD (maybe ZSS because of infinite?)
Lucario: Snake

 

[Sukai]

Really? Snake?
I've seen some Lucarios eat right through Snakes, I'd have to say that Falco is Lucario's worst match.
Falco can camp him like mad, which Lucario has little defense again, plus he can easily spike him out of his recovery, I guess the only real offside to this is that Falco can't really chaingrab him, but laser games/combos work like a charm, combine that with Lucario's average vertical knockback resistance and Falco's powerful pressure game, it's a done deal.
Lucario doesn't really have any "omg he's *****" matches.
If not Falco then Meta Knight.

 

[Zaffy]

I don't know about the others, but i'd say R.O.B.s hardest match up is definately ZSS, seeing at they have an infinite which only requires 1 downsmash to start.

 

[GwJ]

I'm also going with ZSS for ROB. DDD is manageable, you just need to play gay. It's harder to play gay against a ZSS as they have better options to handle it.

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

Really? Snake?
I've seen some Lucarios eat right through Snakes, I'd have to say that Falco is Lucario's worst match.
Falco can camp him like mad, which Lucario has little defense again, plus he can easily spike him out of his recovery, I guess the only real offside to this is that Falco can't really chaingrab him, but laser games/combos work like a charm, combine that with Lucario's average vertical knockback resistance and Falco's powerful pressure game, it's a done deal.
Lucario doesn't really have any "omg he's *****" matches.
If not Falco then Meta Knight.

Are you joking? Falco is probably Lucario's BEST matchup among top/high tier.

 

[Sukai]

Are you joking? Falco is probably Lucario's BEST matchup among top/high tier.

Can you elaborate on why?

 

[Palpi]

Falco can't chain grab him, though he can try the dthrow>dair>jab>regrab, but its not guarenteed.

Isn't lucario's worst D3 anyway?

 

[Sukai]

Falco can't chain grab him, though he can try the dthrow>dair>jab>regrab, but its not guarenteed.

Isn't lucario's worst D3 anyway?

That's it?
Theoretically, Falco can add a buffered short hop laser between (buffered) grabs to keep it going, but even if that can't work, Falco's laser game, camping and DACUS can rack damage up just as fast.
Falco has much more to his metagame than the chaingrab, so I naturally am having a hard time believing that the lack of chaingrab is why Falco isn't not only Lucario's worst matchup, but is also Lucario's easiest high/top tier matchup.