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The Official Chat with Emblem Lord Thread

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Remzi

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gah, at least im not the only one. it really sucks when you know you are better than your opponent, and they still hand it to you :(
 
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Combos

Hey, EL, just had a few quick questions about some combos that I didn't find in a cursory search. I don't have time to try these out myself at the moment (research projects -_-; ).

Can the first dancing sword slash combo other things if it hits? Like doing forward b to up b (air or ground) or forward b to dair (probably not but you never know)? I mostly play online and I don't really play anyone good so I don't know if this would work or not (I'm not good either, I'm just not as bad xp).

Oh, I guess other people can respond to this too. This just seems like a good place for me to air out miscellaneous scrub questions without creating a thread.
 
feardragon64

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Shaya said:
There are no combos in brawl.

Whether or not you hit with it is completely up to whether your opponent knows how to shield.
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There are really minor "combos" in brawl

For example, fthrow to fsmash at 0-6%(or something low like that) is unavoidable.

But ya I don't think forward b to up+b is a guaranteed hit. But it does catch a lot of people off guard.

And while I suppose here might work riocosta, there's always this place:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=188570
 
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Feardragon is right. Fwd B -> up B isnt guaranteed. Whether or not it hits depends on ur opponents reaction time, the damage ur opponent has, and what character they're using. Some characters can react before the Dolphin Slash activates.
 
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I guess a better question would be able to ask about the viability of said technique (especially against high level comp.), but thanks for the feedback.

Judging from the responses, it seems to work sparingly at best (if at all). o wellz
 
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^^^^This. Haven't had access to my own comp. I use my friends while they are at work and get to chill at thier house.

Been messing with some stuff vs MK. Most of it is kinda obvious, but it's something.

I been thinking lately that Marth needs a reliable way to approach MK since MK is just going to camp if he has a stock lead or less damage.

So I'm thinking SH fair would be the answer. Thanks to Marth's good horizontal distance he can cover the distance of MK's d-tilt in a SH. As he rises he can Fair and when done correctly the tip of it will slice right into the top of MK's head. When well spaced and you DI back as you attack it's safe if shielded or spot-dodged. It would give Marth a way to actually approach and pressure MK much more safely.

Marth needs a way to get past MK's range and his superior aerial movement might be the answer. And then you can mix-up with run to shield, running grab and, and run to DB. Make sure when you space MK for these mix-ups he is just outside the distance where Marth gets out of his opening dash animation since it's pretty long. Any closer and if you dash at MK you wouldn't be able to run to shield and a good MK will know that, so that's one less option you have and it would make you more predictable. Although it's ok to try to rush when your closer occasional just to keep him guessing.

Anyway, test this stuff out guys.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I tried out what you were saying with the SH fair, and I'm pretty sure MK beats Marth to the hit with an ftilt. So even while retreating, technically it's not safe if MK has good timing on his ftilt(even if his timing is early, he just continues onto the third which definitely out-ranges Marth's fair). Ultimately, Marth is forced to back down or get hit....

I'll do more testing with approaching with Marth. I'm starting to think maybe because of brawl's lack of hitstun, we can see if there's a scenario with Marth's approach where he might actually get hit, but still has a chance to do more damage or get into a better situation than MK. After all, MK is lighter than Marth, so we need to key in on that weakness.

Anyways, testing time.
 
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I tried doing SH Fair to compare to some of MK's attacks, especially f tilt and d tilt, and got mixed results. In conclusion, i'm very afraid of approaching.

Really, I'd like to walk towards him, dash backwards, and if he takes bait, do a Dancing blade, or retreating fair after walking towards him. Honestly I don't feel comfertable or confident about approaching him at all.
 
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This can work, but you have to condition him to Dtilt really. Then you're more free to SH over their Dtilt and SH Fair them. Some MKs don't react in time, and throw in extra Dtilts thinking that they'll hit you continuously. Play on this instinct until they mix in Ftilt or shield. This is the way/cycle in which I pressure MKs anyway.

I'm testing this for sure in about a week and a half on the best MKs in NC. I'll get back to you guys with whatever I learn then.
 
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For MK to hit Marth with the third hit of f-tilt he would have to predict Marth. It's not something he could do on reaction. And if he starts doing that then bait him with empty SH's and punish.
 
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darkspatan117 said:
Hey EL I'm wondering if Snake has a 50:50 match with DDD or is it 45:55 in DDD favor
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What the heck is the difference? Like, I understand the concept of a match-up, but if you're looking at such a small scale then you'll need a seriously rigorous meaning for these specific numbers, which I'm pretty sure can't exist. Are you playing at such a high level of play that this could matter to you?

Don't mean to be a jerk, just sayin' tho.... ppl take this numbers thing waayy too far..... :/
 
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@Emblem Lord:

Would you play the character you're good with, have the most fun with, and win more with...

Or

The character that you like for the love the character who, although is the best in the game, you just don't have the natrual talent with?
 
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Depends on what my goal is.

In Brawl I only wanted to take Marth's metagame to the limit.

When I get into SCIV and SF4 competitively, I will just use whoever is the best because I'm going to be playing to win.

That said, why the hell do people act like not using thier fave character in tourney is a big deal? Just play that character in friendlies, vs weaker opponents, MM's and training sessions.

If someone sucks with a character they either need to train or they just aren't good at fighting games. Usually they just need to train, but they lack understanding and real motivation.
 
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EL, I haven't been around the Marth boards in a while, but why is D Tilt suddenly such a big deal? Did you write on of your giant essays on it or something?
 
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What do you all do when when the other guy, for whatever reason, ends up right behind marth? I don't really feel like there are any good options. I suppose ds might work, but it's pretty risky. Any thoughts?
 
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It's a tight spot.

If they are hitting your shield you could DS.

You could pivot grab. You could dancing blade. You could retreating bair. Or if you want to stay completely safe just dash or roll away to reset back to neutral.
 
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No monies.

But that will change in a month when I start my new job.
 
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