The Official Chat with Emblem Lord Thread

[Hype]

^^No, he means it won't often be completely fresh. **** move decay.

I know what he meant, I was just joking about his choice of words.

 

[DanGR]

What's Olimar's greatest, but least obvious weakness? (Not just Olimar v Marth, but Olimar v everyone)

 

[Emblem Lord]

Don't know that one.

Educate me plz.

 

[infomon]

He doesn't have a pritty tiara?

 

[Steel]

He doesn't have a pritty tiara?

-15 originality points

 

[Shaya]

It's the fact that fsmash tippering one of his PIKMIN will by chance if Olimar steps closer during this will mean DEATH.

Oh but seriously, it's his crappy recovery.

 

[DanGR]

Idk. I don't think he has any glaring weaknesses besides his recovery. I want to know why people think he's mid tier. *cough* *cough*

The only thing I can think of would be that his grab doesn't have grab armor, so with some characters with lagless aerials, spaced attacks ->jab approaching works awfully well. (sheik, peach, and maybe a couple others)

 

[BacklashMarth]

Im sorry but pretty much if ur recovery fails, your character fails. Tis the way of the tier. Just look at the recoveries of the top tier chars (D3, MK, Snake, ROB, G&W) These recoveries are epically broken in my opinion. You should never be able to go so high with a recovery. Im gonna get a job with Sakurai's programmers and intentionally make the next Super Smash 100% non-broken and spam-free. (Thats rite, MK gets ONLY 2 jumps, cannot attack from his glide, and he d-smash will have epic lag. Snake can use ONE grenade at a time, his tilts will not kill @ 5%, and his C4 will spike him if he uses it to recover)

 

[Brinzy]

Jigglypuff says hi.

 

[infomon]

Jigglypuff says hi.

Lies! Jigglypuff says one thing. Jigglypuff.

Spoiler

Jigglypuff!

 

[DanGR]

Ok, think about it this way.

Prove to me that Olimar isn't top tier if he had GaW's recovery. Can you? What's he not have?

 

[infomon]

Prove to me that Olimar isn't top tier if he had GaW's recovery. Can you? What's he not have?

A turtle.

Seriously, your question is kinda meaningless. That would be a different character entirely; his game strategy might be different, etc. It's impossible to know how that would work out. You can guess, but a debate wouldn't be fair.

 

[VietGeek]

Im sorry but pretty much if ur recovery fails

But Olimar has good stage control so he shouldn't be offstage in the first place. <_<

Anyway, Falco has a rather questionable recovery too (especially if he loses his second jump), and look where he's at.

 

[Emblem Lord]

His f-tilt could be better and his fair and bair, but other then that he is solid in the move list department.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Olimar has a major problem, when it comes to priority / long lasting hitboxes.

They really destroy him. Every projectile with higher priority than his Pikmin hurt Olimar a lot - there aren't too many of those but they do exist.

The other thing are long lasting hitboxes, like Peaches ForwardB. Pikmin just die before they can even touch Peach because the hitbox just stays out quite a while.

GaW doesn't have these problems

 

[Brinzy]

This might be off-topic, and I probably didn't search hard enough for a better thread, but:

I don't have much experience with Marth besides the fact that he's a jerk. Can someone play me? (Ness main, Zelda and PT secondary... lol, easy pickins for Marth,)

That said, if you happen to face my Ness, I don't care if you abuse the grab-release by like... regrabbing once or twice, but could you not infinite me? The match is already tough as it stands.

 

[Pierce7d]

Olimar has a major problem, when it comes to priority / long lasting hitboxes.

They really destroy him. Every projectile with higher priority than his Pikmin hurt Olimar a lot - there aren't too many of those but they do exist.

The other thing are long lasting hitboxes, like Peaches ForwardB. Pikmin just die before they can even touch Peach because the hitbox just stays out quite a while.

GaW doesn't have these problems

Yellow Pikmen say hi.

Also, great Olimars are fortresses, and you will rarely get this a opportunity.

 

[Nibbity]

Aw, pierce beat me to it. Olimar = great at keeping away his disadvantages, especially in a level the player might be used to, and with good technique, it's not much to worry about, just think pikmin selection and an Olimar will be ok for the most part.

 

[Some_Kind_of_JokÈ?]

how do i counterpick Marth?

 

[Pierce7d]

how do i counterpick Marth?

Spoiler

Is this some kind of joke?

The same way you counterpick the rest of the game. Learn to play Metaknight.

Aw, pierce beat me to it. Olimar = great at keeping away his disadvantages, especially in a level the player might be used to, and with good technique, it's not much to worry about, just think pikmin selection and an Olimar will be ok for the most part.

Also, Olimar's Purple Pikmen are RIDICULOUS when thrown, in terms of priority. They eat/stop every other projectile in the game except R.O.B.'s laser I believe.

 

[darkspatan117]

Yoshi seem to be good a counter against Mk but I don't think we will rise in the tier list just because of his cg and that?

 

[Nibbity]

Each pikmin owns in their own way. You're right, i'm unsure of what's prioritized over the puple guys, but i know they're great assets for Olimar for characters who don't excel in the long range department. and in the case of really long range characters, use white.

 

[Kinzer]

Is there really reason to keep grab into Marth's game after the opponent has reached post 100%? It feels to me that marth's grabs are really funky after a while trying to follow-up with anything.

 

[Steel]

Jab -> Grab release

 

[Kinzer]

Jab -> Grab release

Wow I feel stupid now.

My problem is I keep thinking of how to get higher in damage, not kills, and I never would've though that a grab release would be able to follow-up better than any of his throws. (really, like the damage wasn't bad enough the direction the opponents fly in some ways just doesn't flow right and his Up-throw goes up too high compared to the other throws.)

 

[Hype]

I accually like Uthrow depending on the character I'm agaist, snake comes to mind.

edit: omg post 666

 

[Pierce7d]

Plus, pummeling helps refresh your moves. After I punch you 5 times, and hit you with Dancing Blade, you do realize that my next tipper Fair will kill you, right? :laughs:

 

[Levitas]

I haven't been paying attention to marth for a few months now. Who's vids should I pay attention to in order to get back in the swing of things?

 

[infomon]

I think this one is the best at showing off Marth's new style: [link]

 

[Levitas]

I dunno. That marth seemed to underutilize the dancing blade to punish G&W when he was open. And it was pretty obvious that they didn't know that marth can just Up b OoS to beat his bair.

 

[Steel]

Emblem Lord:

Could you SHDL with fox in melee?

thx u

 

[Emblem Lord]

Sure could.

Anyway, I don't have access to my computer so I will only be on SWF for about an hour or so every few days. I have to log in at a friend's house.

Just letting people know.

In other news, I beat God of War on God mode today, which is the highest difficulty.

I think I'll finish up Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword on Head Ninja mode and then beat it on Master Ninja mode.

I also beat FFIV DS last night. Beat Zeromus on my first try. ***** didn't want none of this!!!

 

[BacklashMarth]

When ur done with that, try beating Tyr from Breath Of Fire w/o using Anfini. Doing that is straight hardcore thug s*** my ***. Also, try beating Deathevan from BOF 2 only using Ryu. I havent been able to do yet but im one determined *****.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I think I'll finish up Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword on Head Ninja mode and then beat it on Master Ninja mode.

Need to pick that up again, been so busy with School that I left off at head ninja.

Beat Ninja Master mode in Black though, which was a rush.

I also beat FFIV DS last night. Beat Zeromus on my first try. ***** didn't want none of this!!!

I'm wondering, is he harder then in the snes version, cause I'm actually about to fight him... as soon as I figure out where that one percent of map is that i missed.... u_u

Yeah, wanna get treasure hunter, finish a few sidequests and get some special armor before ending my first playthrough. It's annoying cause I THOUGHT I didn't miss anything in that department.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

^ Zeromus is harder on the snes version imo

 

[Emblem Lord]

I thought he was harder this time around honestly.

Then again, if you abuse the augment system correctly any boss can be pretty easy.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Well, the last time I played FF4 on the Snes was quite a while ago...prhaps I was just a newb back then...

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

EL, do you think wave dashing in melee is easy? I picked it up in like 10 minutes in training (albeit with Luigi).

 

[DanGR]

His f-tilt could be better and his fair and bair, but other then that he is solid in the move list department.

meh... I agree about his ftilt. I wish I could use it more often. It doesn't have very many uses. It doesn't really take away from the character that much though, considering how much more efficient his fsmash and grabs are in most places. I mean, you don't see Snake use fsmash very often, if at all. Is that necessarily a weakness though?

In your opinion, what's wrong with his bair and fair? They're not moves that you can use very predictably. If Sheik is falling at Olimar, he can't just jump up and fair him most of the time. The Sheik player would see the attack coming and just use one of her fast aerials that have no landing lag, such as nair.

In most matchups, the Olimar has to use the quickness of the attack rather than the priority, just as any character would have to against Ike. Ike outranges most characters with his sword, but most characters can just outspeed him. (for lack of a better phrase) The quickness on Olimar's fair and bair make it a very reliable option in many situations. Their disjointedness just makes them twice as easy to use, because, to make a loing explanation short, his opponent is usually focused on Olimar, not the pikmin.

Personally, I try to use them against grounded opponents. I'll use it when they're put on the defensive after using an attack that can be punished, or after them landing from just being in the air. In other words, when they're not exactly focused on retaliating, but more inclined to shield or spotdodge instead.

Olimar has a major problem, when it comes to priority / long lasting hitboxes.

Using his attacks directly against other attacks is avoidable though. His priority isn't as nearly as important as it is for say...Captain Falcon.

In fact, as an Olimar user, that's what I'm constantly focusing on. I avoid his rather low priority by taking advantage of Olimar's small size and the disjointedness of his attacks that use pikmin. He's so small that many times, it's difficult to hit him and the pikmin. His pikmin attacks for the most part have very long range when you look at how small he is.

Think about his upsmash and fsmash. His fsmash will travel about 6x Olimar's width/size/whatever, and his upsmash will travel above his head about 2 1/2x Olimar's height. (just a guesstimate) They've got little priority, but does it really matter that much? They're very fast and have a lot of range. I can think of many situations where the pikmin in Olimar's upsmash would be beaten out by an attack, but because Olimar is so small and the upsmash is so disjointed that even though it was beaten out, the opponent doesn't even hit Olimar. He hits the pikmin, goes through it, and misses Olimar completely and lands besides him. And just to add on, the low lag on all of his attacks and quickness on his feet make followups nearly impossible sometimes.

It may sound complicated and hard to do, and it is at first, but with practice avoiding direct confrontation with his his opponents attacks, Olimar can succesfully and realistically get around this weakness.

Also, I'd like to bring up that his pivotgrab helps him avoid most of these situations. He can just pivot grab attacks that would normally beat out his smashes and aerials.

I'm not saying any of this completely negates his priority weakness, but it does help tremendously to combat it.

 

[alchfilosofer]

Sure could.

Anyway, I don't have access to my computer so I will only be on SWF for about an hour or so every few days. I have to log in at a friend's house.

Just letting people know.

In other news, I beat God of War on God mode today, which is the highest difficulty.

I think I'll finish up Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword on Head Ninja mode and then beat it on Master Ninja mode.

I also beat FFIV DS last night. Beat Zeromus on my first try. ***** didn't want none of this!!!

You bored and want a challenge? try touhou http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=EKlOmHcOnmM