Nibbity
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my....goodness....
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The Official Chat with Emblem Lord Thread
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alchfilosofer
Smash Ace
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And you just saw a pro bomber abuser (like miself). There are some people who can beat all of that whit NO bombs
Nibbity
Smash Journeyman
Oh yeah, I can do that stuff with my eyes closed.
And then I wake up from my crazy dreams =/
And then I wake up from my crazy dreams =/
Eternal phoenix Fire
Smash Hero
bludhoundz
Smash Ace
Well he answered yes to being able to SHDL with Fox in Melee, which is considered much harder than wavedashing.
I assume he would say yes.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Are you EL? Didn't think so.
edit: and good lord alchfilosofer...
edit: and good lord alchfilosofer...
Ike it's common knowledge that wavedashing is incredibly easy.
∫unk
Smash Master
Ike it doesn't matter how fast or slow you learned it it took me 8 years but I can do it just as well as anyone else now.
When you can mofo combo and tell us it's easy... then we'll be impressed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTIiBKG91Dg
When you can mofo combo and tell us it's easy... then we'll be impressed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTIiBKG91Dg
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Dayumm Junk... And I guess wavedashing is very easy. It took you 8 years to learn how to wavedash Junk? I don't believe you.
∫unk
Smash Master
I dunno how long it took me to be able to wavedash around the stage fluently lol. I just did it whenever I could and got better.
It's one thing to do it in training mode and another to do it in a match effectively.
It's one thing to do it in training mode and another to do it in a match effectively.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
I actually did it in a match first, against the CPU, lol. But then I honed my skill (in 10 minutes) and got it.
Nibbity
Smash Journeyman
it already feels like melee is sorta getting replaced over brawl, which I am getting excited about.
grandmaster192
Smash Ace
What the fawk?! Can you seriously not get out of that?
Megavitamins
Smash Champion
You can smash DI the drill, so yes, you can get out if it.
Nibbity
Smash Journeyman
what about B up? I know it's slightly different from brawl, but are the principles still the same?
feardragon64
Smash Champion
No. That slight difference is that Marth had invincibility ON frame 5. NOW he has invincibility UNTIL frame 5.
That and the hitstun problem.....
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
Who wants to upload a video to youtube for me?
Nibbity
Smash Journeyman
...Oh yeah, that would do it.
bludhoundz
Smash Ace
Steel2nd isn't EL either, but when he gave you a response you didn't snap at him. I don't quite understand, but to each his own I guess.
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
EL, i got a nice simple question: Why can't I beat ****ing MK!?!?!!?
mk's slashes are so fast and many in number that they produce pseudo hit stun like no other character.
Now honestly.
I think I need to sit down and learn how to abuse the first strike of Marth's nair. It's Marth's only move that can lead into any other (I think max is around the fsmash time range). Roar for game revolutionising zeh metagame Ken STYLE! (bar release grabs, and some throws and of course dancing blade).
Now honestly.
I think I need to sit down and learn how to abuse the first strike of Marth's nair. It's Marth's only move that can lead into any other (I think max is around the fsmash time range). Roar for game revolutionising zeh metagame Ken STYLE! (bar release grabs, and some throws and of course dancing blade).
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
>_> he is unstoppable...
The only way I can come close is by completely 100% committing to defense, and even then i still lose. I'm giving up hope on this matchup... It really makes a matchup a lot harder when its almost impossible to gimp the opponent. I hate MK
The only way I can come close is by completely 100% committing to defense, and even then i still lose. I'm giving up hope on this matchup... It really makes a matchup a lot harder when its almost impossible to gimp the opponent. I hate MK
Gimping MK:
Know the distance and positions of the shuttle loop.
If you're above 100% prepare yourself to use the invincibility of your getting up to just edgehog them.
MKs will recover the same if that's there style, try to learn how to stage spike them with DS if you can learn said style.
Punishing MK:
Dancing Blade after the dsmash. Best if you get hit by the frontal slash.
Don't rush towards MK's fsmash, it has little to no cooldown. Wait for the fsmash + down smash then punish.
While recovering if you're near the edge, and the MK is on the stage near the ledge, don't jump (Unless the jump will keep you under the stage). MK's look out for the jump to have their shuttle loop lapown you.
Avoid dtilt and ftilt, because they will out space you due to their better speed (and in ftilt's case: range). If you shield them you can't punish with DS.
Watch out for the MK's patterns in their dash grab/dash attack. Marth is pretty strong while shielding, but smart MK's will try to abuse that with their dash variations. Best is to spot dodge or dtilt or shfair a dash grab. Continuining the mind game is that if they think you'll spot dodge, they'll dash attack to behind you then dsmash. If you shield their dash attack they will spot dodge then dsmash, mind games mind games.
If your opponent tries to hit you with glide attack be aware that if they hit you with it while they're really close to the ground (zomg my MK opponents have learnt to time that so they don't get owned by Dolphin Slash) they can instant land to a spot dodge. It's best to dolphin slash while the MK is near you but before they do their glide attack on your shield.
If it's platform stages and they're above you don't forget about ducking... most of the time they can just pass through the platform and dair you even if you're "spacing" them with utilts. But ducking then utilt is sexy.
MK's fair ***** you, avoid it like your mother while she wants you to do chores. If the MK is used to your fair patterns (i.e. always seem to dodge your fairs then punish with their fast moves) start throwing out nairs.
MK's forward b used properly (i.e. aimed downwards to not have bad landing lag) will probably hit you through your shield if you shield and and are 'holding up' to prepare yourself for DS. I still stupidly struggle with this.
Punish with ftilts if the opponent does retreating fairs. FF retreating fairs with dtilts or if you're awesome dash attack lulz. The easiest release grab on MK is air release -> dancing blade, because I fail too much at the air release to tipper'd fair. (Dancing blade with upwards motion should tip).
MK's nair is a *****, best bets is dolphin slash if you're on the ground, and if you're in the air well... hope you avoid it with an air dodge.
Know the distance and positions of the shuttle loop.
If you're above 100% prepare yourself to use the invincibility of your getting up to just edgehog them.
MKs will recover the same if that's there style, try to learn how to stage spike them with DS if you can learn said style.
Punishing MK:
Dancing Blade after the dsmash. Best if you get hit by the frontal slash.
Don't rush towards MK's fsmash, it has little to no cooldown. Wait for the fsmash + down smash then punish.
While recovering if you're near the edge, and the MK is on the stage near the ledge, don't jump (Unless the jump will keep you under the stage). MK's look out for the jump to have their shuttle loop lapown you.
Avoid dtilt and ftilt, because they will out space you due to their better speed (and in ftilt's case: range). If you shield them you can't punish with DS.
Watch out for the MK's patterns in their dash grab/dash attack. Marth is pretty strong while shielding, but smart MK's will try to abuse that with their dash variations. Best is to spot dodge or dtilt or shfair a dash grab. Continuining the mind game is that if they think you'll spot dodge, they'll dash attack to behind you then dsmash. If you shield their dash attack they will spot dodge then dsmash, mind games mind games.
If your opponent tries to hit you with glide attack be aware that if they hit you with it while they're really close to the ground (zomg my MK opponents have learnt to time that so they don't get owned by Dolphin Slash) they can instant land to a spot dodge. It's best to dolphin slash while the MK is near you but before they do their glide attack on your shield.
If it's platform stages and they're above you don't forget about ducking... most of the time they can just pass through the platform and dair you even if you're "spacing" them with utilts. But ducking then utilt is sexy.
MK's fair ***** you, avoid it like your mother while she wants you to do chores. If the MK is used to your fair patterns (i.e. always seem to dodge your fairs then punish with their fast moves) start throwing out nairs.
MK's forward b used properly (i.e. aimed downwards to not have bad landing lag) will probably hit you through your shield if you shield and and are 'holding up' to prepare yourself for DS. I still stupidly struggle with this.
Punish with ftilts if the opponent does retreating fairs. FF retreating fairs with dtilts or if you're awesome dash attack lulz. The easiest release grab on MK is air release -> dancing blade, because I fail too much at the air release to tipper'd fair. (Dancing blade with upwards motion should tip).
MK's nair is a *****, best bets is dolphin slash if you're on the ground, and if you're in the air well... hope you avoid it with an air dodge.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
steel is cool shtuff tho.
feardragon64
Smash Champion
Match-up discussion or upload a video and ask it to be analyzed? If I came up to you and asked, why isn't my french bread coming out properly, how exactly are you to respond without actually seeing or knowing how I make my french bread?
That hurts =[
lol, I don't really care for insults or rude comments. Just leave em bludhoundz. Ike is usually pretty chill.
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
i wasnt actually expecting feedback, just venting. thanks for the help anyways though shaya, ill try to put it to use :D
grandmaster192
Smash Ace
You can't beat MK because Marth isn't good enough to do so. Marth is overrated mostly because of melee, and because he's an awesome character.
Inui
Banned via Warnings
Wow someone else in here finally understands that Marth sucks compared to the S tiers in this game.
He has to do 60/40 matches all the time in order to win; Meta Knight, Snake, Dedede, R.O.B.(apparently only I and a few others think this but w/e).
He has to do 60/40 matches all the time in order to win; Meta Knight, Snake, Dedede, R.O.B.(apparently only I and a few others think this but w/e).
Screw this post, whoever it was about is just a buffoon.
majinvegeta010688
Smash Apprentice
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i wish for you to try this out with marth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kox5-m5JM3w
now go to the marth part see how he does it
try to use the dancing blade recovery thing that was used in melee
i think it is almost the same feeling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kox5-m5JM3w
now go to the marth part see how he does it
try to use the dancing blade recovery thing that was used in melee
i think it is almost the same feeling
It's nothing like its melee counter part?
wave bouncing is something that is mostly ignored, people prefer the use of the c stick for retreating fairs or similar, which is considered -much better- than a wave bouncing dancing blade. Both come out at the same speed while the fair is more damaging, and less punishable.
wave bouncing is something that is mostly ignored, people prefer the use of the c stick for retreating fairs or similar, which is considered -much better- than a wave bouncing dancing blade. Both come out at the same speed while the fair is more damaging, and less punishable.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Except MK, what gives any of those characters a 60/40 match-up against Marth?
Snake is 55-45, the other 2 are 50-50.
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
Contradiction much?
Marth isnt doomed against MK just like he isnt doomed against snake. Be careful, be patient. Use tilts (especially d-tilt), abuse Dolphin Slash and dancing blade when u get the chance. Shieldbreaker and counter (if used smart) can "say hi" to some of MK's advances, mainly his multihit moves.
Emblem Lord
The Legendary Lord
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Lucas why are you in my thread?
Real talk.
Also grandmaster...when are you going to main MK?
Once again....real talk.
Real talk.
Also grandmaster...when are you going to main MK?
Once again....real talk.
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
so EL, how do you do in general vs MK's?
feardragon64
Smash Champion
lol EL doesn't talk about his own experience in tournies, etc. much...
And I think he's too busy playing yu yu hakasho these days
And I think he's too busy playing yu yu hakasho these days
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
I need to learn how to **** fox........BADLY. I have a little online "group tourney"coming up and i get 2 stocked by fox often (i get fox to 100%+ before i die btw). My problems are getting edgehogged by that critter even though i use DB to stall occasionally, and fox's freakin magic toe u-smash that comes out of nowhere. A few "how to **** spacies in general" tips are fine considering falco sometimes semi 2 stocks me.
Emblem Lord
The Legendary Lord
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I get beat by MK's of lesser skill.
Brawl sucks.
*shrug
Brawl sucks.
*shrug
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