Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Trust me, all the Yoshis (or at least the ones in the BBR) think of that MU as a solid -3.iirc the yoshis themselves werent even uniform about wanting -3.
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Trust me, all the Yoshis (or at least the ones in the BBR) think of that MU as a solid -3.iirc the yoshis themselves werent even uniform about wanting -3.
:master:the only character to actually be banned at tournaments.
Thanks for proving my point.Except that we didnt have many disputes anyways.
Sorry, but only 2 people were for -2 as yoshis and one of them went MIA before discussion with other panels even got started.iirc the yoshis themselves werent even uniform about wanting -3.
My only point was that its not such a radical/"pathetic" conclusion to come to.Sorry, but only 2 people were for -2 as yoshis and one of them went MIA before discussion with other panels even got started.
It went to the final panel since they stopped posting entirely.
If your point is that we dont contend much with opposing panels...I guess.Thanks for proving my point.
in like 6 years when this game really starts devolving into the piss that its game engine allows, and the only players that are left are the dedicated ones, so thinks like tech barriers, and execution become less of a problem, I want you to come back and say something like this LOL.That unbalanced game? When was the last time any character lower than High Tier did anything in a tournament? Just a couple months ago a Ganon won a tournament in Brawl, at least the balancing isnt BEYOND TERRIBLE. I mean, Brawl's balancing is still pretty bad, but Melee? Oh god, why...
Using our panel as a method to come to that conclusion isn't as solid when the discussion was abruptly interrupted with no response from the MKs.My only point was that its not such a radical/"pathetic" conclusion to come to.
you seem to forget that most other people are a lot like you. Stubborn, Hard-headed and disagreeable.quite right grim, now tell me. Would you have learnt any less, if the chart in the OP had every square replaced by a ?
my problem with this is the sheer amount of time between updates, when many of these matchups have been declared 'wrong' since day 1, but apparently we are forced to live with it for almost 10 months. instead of the BBR spending say, 2,000 hours and 10 months to update the chart in one big shot, it should be 2 lots of 1,000 hour, 5 month intervals. Same amount of work input with a more relevant and accurate chart for many more months of the year.
If they make a mistake with the 5 month interval chart, it doesnt matter, since it will be corrected in 6 months. This is not countered by simply not making mistakes in a 10 month interval, because that is IMPOSSIBLE and potentially more inaccurate as older data is considered instead of erasing everything that is less than 6 months old.
this threads length, and the amount of time discussing ratios which have had no relevance since 2010, is just... amazing. in a bad way.
But thats simply not true. Everyone we encountered was more than willing to make their case. This is probably because most realized it would be quite silly to state your opinion, refuse to argue, concede when theres no need to, and then be bitter about the result afterwards.Don't be silly. The point is that no one wants to deal with Pikachu's panel, to the extent that they'd let a ratio go just to avoid it.
Brick wall.
lol that's how the lucario-marth discussion went on V.1. the lucarios wrote walls of text, shaya came in and said Fair. and marth got the +1... lol.Using our panel as a method to come to that conclusion isn't as solid when the discussion was abruptly interrupted with no response from the MKs.
Why don't you pay us then LOLinstead of the BBR spending say, 2,000 hours and 10 months to update the chart in one big shot, it should be 2 lots of 1,000 hour, 5 month intervals.
I'm not saying 1 error should = death. Let me reiterate myselfI actually enjoy the minor punishment you get when you make a mistake in Brawl over the 1 Error = Death that many other games like to implement. It's why I enjoy the game so much.
Brawl has so it's just him and him only, no one else is viable.You wouldve had to make earlier mistakes before hand to die from any of those though or else you wouldnt have enough damage to die. In melee, 1 mistake is death. In brawl, you need at least 3 or 4 to die. Brawl is far more forgiving, and that's what allows less viable characters to actually have a chance, their unsafe moves dont get completely butt *****.
For 1 more month.Brawl has
Even then, Low tiers still have very hard matchups (+4) like:For 1 more month.
If youre going to put ICs as -4 for Zelda then you need to add .Even then, Low tiers still have very hard matchups (+4) like:
Lucas vs. DK
Mario vs. D3
Bowser vs. D3 and Climbers
Samus vs. D3.
Falcon vs. Pika
Link vs. Falco
Puff doesn't have one, but many hard counters like Snake, D3, DK, and such.
Zelda vs. Oli, Climbers, and Snake
Ganon vs. Climbers, Oli, Falco, D3, Sheilda, and Sheik
Zelda and Ganon looks like they're gonna be like the new Roll Tier of Brawl. They're both around the same tier as badness. They should probably be bottom tier.
Edit: Well, Melee bottom tier is pretty terrible. Bowser is slow as hell and can't do **** for ****. Ness recovers like crap and is pretty slow. Pichu has like no defense at all. And Kirby is so slow and weak to do anything. Come to think of it. I change my mind. Brawl is more balanced than Melee without mk. But with him Melee is more balanced.
This does work both ways, however. For example, in Melee, that low tier theoretically only needs ONE read to get that stock.You wouldve had to make earlier mistakes before hand to die from any of those though or else you wouldnt have enough damage to die. In melee, 1 mistake is death. In brawl, you need at least 3 or 4 to die. Brawl is far more forgiving, and that's what allows less viable characters to actually have a chance, their unsafe moves dont get completely butt *****.
Reading just never gets easy no matter how much you do it, right?Why don't you pay us then LOL
you **** talk about how irrelevant the chart is in the first place, and the say we should make more updates?
Probably. Zelda has a lot of auto win and hard counter matchups like Ganon has. Game and Watch would be bad because you are forced to approach a small character that can heavily punish Din's fire and get bairs very easily.If youre going to put ICs as -4 for Zelda then you need to add .
I peronsally don't think it's that bad.
There are a handful of other match ups just as bad, if not worse().
It's never coming! It will just keep on getting delayed!how much longer until the damn 2.0 release? you guys said today or tomorrow YESTERDAY
how much longer until the damn 2.0 release? you guys said today or tomorrow YESTERDAY
Note I said at earliest it'll be out the 26th. It takes time for quality checks and formatting, and I'm not working on the final touches, but the most recent thing I was told indicated a release after Christmas.Not until the 26th at earliest :/ I was silly and forgot to consider that making a gigantic thread takes time when I said around christmas lol.
This is wrong becauseZelda and Ganon looks like they're gonna be like the new Roll Tier of Brawl. They're both around the same tier as badness. They should probably be bottom tier.
1. Well, that was a little bit of a joke. Idk much about Roll in MvC2 besides the fact that she's like the joke character and is (Like pretty much every worst character in any game) limited.This is wrong because
1. implying anything is close to Roll's ****tiness
2. implying Zelda's ****tiness is near the same as Ganon's
but she really is. Also I've never seen someone hate on their own character as much as you do. You should probably switch charactersBut she really isn't.