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Official BBR Matchup Chart v1.0
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Xubble
Smash Ace
What's a SDI?
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Smash DI.
Xubble
Smash Ace
Can't tell if missed my sarcasm or wanting to troll me.
Fuujin
Smash Champion
>>Implying the last gif I used was Lady Gaga.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
You guys make it sound like you have to choose one or the other when it comes to tech skill and strategic, analytical play.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
I'm amazed at peoples laziness at paying attention to tech skill attributes like teching, DI, SDI, AT, followups, etc.. You don't even have to do it in training or on your own. Just commit to incorporating aspects in friendlies and eventually you get it down for most technical aspects. Some require a bit of outside practice but not much.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
well in all fairness. I didnt get the chance to choose. My hands are clumsy, and my reaction time is trash. The only way I can get wins is by outthinking people.
Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
that there proves he successfully trolled you.
also if you take 2 people and teach one tech skill and basic knowledge with Ice Climbers (a character with unlimited tech skill potential) and take another person and teach them how to make solid reads and option selection with diddy (a character who is designed for reading with effective but limited tech skill), the diddy will be win more. however now take the person who doesn't want to lose anymore and teach him how to make solid reads and option selection while he can use his far superior tech skill to make better reads he will start to win more. now diddy's tech skill can only improve so much so now the character with better tech skill and option covering being on an equal reading level as his opponent, he will remain the guy who wins more than loses.
im really high so please someone let me know if that made sense
Doc King
Smash Lord
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We might as well just not change the metagame of Brawl and keep it current because of some of smashboards ppls poor little hands can't take on the simplest of tech skills.
Pretty sure they all can. (it really isn't that difficult, depending on the character)
It's just extremely situational, and you won't get the set-up if your opponent knows how to avoid it (which isn't hard)
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
You do realize that people have personal limits, right?
Doc King
Smash Lord
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Actually I don't. Is there a way where you can improve tech skill?
DeLux
Player that used to be Lux
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You should commit to sucking for a month in order to facilitate streamlining your controller layout for the long term gain imo
PM me about it, I swear it helps
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
@ Doc King - You're missing the point. People having personal limits means that it isn't feasible (or optimal) for them to focus on certain aspects of the game that they physically have issues with. I'm with Kid Goggles, but to a lesser degree. We both have little to offer in the ways of tech skill. I've practiced certain things for quite some time, but very little of it sticks, and my fingers are quite slow when it comes to more dexterous movements. Since we have personal limitations as far as tech skill goes, we work on what does stick for us: outthinking our opponents and thinking about the game in general.
SFA Smiley
The SFA King
Yeah, I'm weak technically, I just read a lot. It's been like that in every game I play. But i still practice my tech and have been practicing it for some weeks now. Good tech in addition to reads is what separates good players and bad players. Even if you're hella smart it only gets you so far, even in a thinky defensive game like this, i'm noticing.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Character dependent.
I personally believe that once you're able to control your character fluidly, which isn't terribly demanding in Brawl, you're okay.
I personally believe that once you're able to control your character fluidly, which isn't terribly demanding in Brawl, you're okay.
Spacing and reads is definitively much more important than tech skill. You can do well without tech skill. You can't do well without those two things.
I used to think this game was a matter of learning the most advanced techniques and then just throwing them at your opponent. That's not how it works. Smarter players will always win.
Tech skill compliments spacing and reads. Not the other way around.
I used to think this game was a matter of learning the most advanced techniques and then just throwing them at your opponent. That's not how it works. Smarter players will always win.
Tech skill compliments spacing and reads. Not the other way around.
Though I suppose it depends. How many people here consider excellent spacing to be technical skill? I think of it as a different kind of skill. Stuff like,BDACUS/ DACUS, B-reversals, CGs, Buffering etc. I would consider to be technical skill. But maybe that's just me.
Xubble
Smash Ace
@Doc King: So you're saying that you're not very smart? 
I'm more of a mixed bag. I always try to tech bad landings and momentum cancel, but I can't DI very well. My SDI is pretty good, at least.
I'm capable of seeing simple patterns in my opponent's playstyle and abuse it, but I myself stay pretty predictable.
In the end, I just haven't played enough good players. I've learned all that I can learn on my own, I need more actual experience.
I'm more of a mixed bag. I always try to tech bad landings and momentum cancel, but I can't DI very well. My SDI is pretty good, at least.
I'm capable of seeing simple patterns in my opponent's playstyle and abuse it, but I myself stay pretty predictable.
In the end, I just haven't played enough good players. I've learned all that I can learn on my own, I need more actual experience.
^Facing level 9 CPUs should give you a good idea if you've learned all you can by yourself or not. If you can beat them easily with your main you probably have. Also facing them will allow you to notice patterns (yes they are often very predictable) and this will allow you to get used to looking for patterns. Not to mention it's a great way to practice DI, technical skill and a lot of other things at once.
It's better than just doing it in training because you at least have opponents and can somewhat emulate real matches.
It's better than just doing it in training because you at least have opponents and can somewhat emulate real matches.
Perhaps not but you can still get rewards with zero tech skill. And sometimes it's better to go for a simple safe punish rather than a OMGzerodeathcombo-punish. I've lost track of times I've seen people go for the latter only to miss completely and get punished themselves. Though I suppose with good enough tech skill you'd never mess up but honestly I don't think there's anyone like that.
I can't count the number of times I've predicted an opponent and been unable to punish the way I intended or unable to use a technique I hadn't practiced nearly enough. You can make alot of reads and get pretty much nothing if you aren't in complete control of what you are doing.
Browny
Smash Hater
nope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hffBbhUN77o#t=262s
plenty of maximum-punishment reads moves require no tech skill, snake agrees.
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
I'm technical and smart, which is why I can use a multitude of characters.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Crows are smarter than seagulls.
Mr. Johan
Smash Hero
That's not really a fair comparison though, since crows are smarter than everything.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Not seagulls
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
I hate my smash name.
Also, new and counter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wwvPLPntZk&feature=related
Also, new
and counter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wwvPLPntZk&feature=related
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Maybe you should change your name to Seaman Gull. There would definitely be less people cracking jokes about that name.
Totally.
Totally.
i watched the whole thingI hate my smash name.
Also, new
picking up falco after apex
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Salem convinced me that tech skill is important in Brawl. His tech skill actually created new options with ZSS, gave the character ways to punish moves that someone without his tech skill actually simply can't punish.
I think his tech skill is actually a huge reason he did so well at Concentrate 2, he repeatedly boned people for doing things they thought were safe only to be met with "nope, see, I can cancel this tether and side-b you," "nope, see i have tech skill, so there's an option to answer that ****."
I think his tech skill is actually a huge reason he did so well at Concentrate 2, he repeatedly boned people for doing things they thought were safe only to be met with "nope, see, I can cancel this tether and side-b you," "nope, see i have tech skill, so there's an option to answer that ****."
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
It doesn't apply to every character obviously, like, even in melee jiggs for instance isn't super technical.
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