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  • I present to you: the Smash Ultimate character design tier list, based solely on a character's aesthetic appearance. Still subjective either way.
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    I honestly don’t think there really are any bad character designs in Smash... and like... why’s bayonetta so low? I think her character design is great at capturing what her characters all about. Not saying youre not allowed to put her low, just wondering
    As a kid, I had a bootleg GBA cart filled with GB games. One of those games was "Q-Billion", an utterly incomprehensible number stacking game - at the time I decided to Google how to play this game and found no answers, but I did find this box art:

    I didn't realise "the puzzle games to CHEWS!" was a pun, so I thought it was just written with bad grammar and referring to a product or organisation called "CHEWS", which funded the game or something.
    Brawlhalla is absolute garbage. If you haven't played it, imagine Smash but exactly two items are forced on and you only have tilts and aerials. It's not even the checkers to Smash's chess, it's equivalent to a paper board game you'd get in an issue of the Beano.
    It's strange to me how people will complain about games like Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts for talking little elements from their source material before praising Super Mario 64 as the greatest game of all time.
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    Wario Wario Wario
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    Put Mario World side by side with 64, they're completely different things. Same with as Kazooie or Tooie and Nuts & Bolts.
    Shroob
    Shroob
    I mean, I think people are praising 64 moreso for the fact that it revolutionized, if not flat out started, the concept of open world 3d environment games, and while games like Crash existed before it, Crash is a lot more linear in comparison. That's not even to begin on the controls, which, while nothing great in today's world, were flat out revolutionary for its time.

    Likewise, people hate on Nuts n Bolts because, they just wanted another BK game, and what they got was, cars, and the opening cutscene which hammered in how "People don't want the old way" anymore didn't win it any favors, when that's kinda what the fans wanted.


    Comparing Nuts and Bots to 64 doesn't really work, when 64 was a technical marvel for its time that kinda revolutionized gaming as a whole, while Nuts and Bolts is more like the Federation Force of its franchise, a game people really didn't want.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    OK... you got a point.
    I think there's 2 ways to fix 3D All-Stars.

    1. use the unedited ROMs, no widescreen/upscaled textures/e.t.c., - throw in 64 DS; 3D Land and Galaxy 2, maybe even Wario World and Donkey Kong 64 - and sell it for £30.

    2. remake 64, Sunshine and Galaxy a la Crash N. Sane and sell it for £30.
    I just sent someone in a YouTube comments section defending Mario 3D All-Stars because of ROM illegality a link explaining that "illegal = bad" is a logical fallacy, and they replied "I agree, piracy is stealing" - how can you miss the point so hard?
    You know how people say a good song can transport them to a nostalgic time?

    I feel that, but... not in a very glamorous way.


    Every time I hear this song, I think of getting queasy looking downwards at my DS Lite playing Nicktoons: Attack of the Toybots in my dad's old dog-puke-infested car through the seaside, with the heat intensifying the dog puke smell.

    Nostalgia usually makes bad things seem good, but for me it does the exact opposite.
    Honestly I think Goomba should've been in Smash instead of Piranha Plant. Goomba is insignificant enough to be funny at first but, unlike PP, is iconic enough in the realm of Mario as a whole to not feel out of place when the gag wears off, plus a handless fighter does sound interesting.
    The character models from the N64 version of Mother 3 look like memes, like even more so than 90s CGI usually does.
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    I actually think the Earthbound 64 models look outstanding for N64 standards. The only images or videos of Earthbound 64 so far have been in low resolution and the best quality Earthbound 64 footage was from here:


    We have never seen these models in any kind of HD resolution, but I can tell they're pretty good for N64 standards by looking at them.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    This is probably the highest quality image out there:


    I don't like the realistic look, I prefer the juxtaposition of cute characters in serious, dark scenarios. It's the same thing Pixar does: use cute character designs to create an immediate attachment so you care about them more, though nothing Pixar has made even comes close to Mother 3's dark and tearjerker moments.
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    RetrogamerMax
    I actually like the realistic designs in Earthbound 64. But regardless, do you agree with me that these models are great for N64 standards right? I believe they look good. Also, where did you find that image? I've never seen it before.
    They should add a chuckster to Smash. Not any particular chuckster like "The Chuckster" or anything like that, but a chuckster, all lowercase. There is no one chuckster, they just rotate chucksters out for every battle. Every time you battle as a chuckster you get a randomly coloured and sized, but always moustached Pianta, no selecting alternate costumes. All their special moves are some variant of a command grab.
    The thing about predicting characters will be OP is that we often forget these Mr. Sakurai Presents videos are ADVERTS. They are designed to subtly trick casual players into thinking the new fighter will be overpowered so they'll buy them to get an edge on their friends, not to give competitive and hardcore players the full frame data and gameplan or anything like that. That's not to say that the competitive community is being disregarded, but they're the periphery demographic for the Mr. Sakurai Presents series, everybody knows the competitive players are gonna scoop up any new character regardless of actual thoughts on them, casual players need to be sold on a fighter if they're not familiar or a fan.
    PM did some really good balancing work, but I think we can all agree they should've based Kirby off his 64 iteration, not Melee.
    Strong Badam
    Strong Badam
    What would that even mean? Giving him a lingering kick Neutral-Air and a sideways drill Forward Air? Faceplant dash attack? All of those were tested early in development and passed on for one reason or another.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    Oh, huh. That's actually interesting. I just find Kirby's placement in the PM tier list to be quite peculiar given how good he is in Smash 64 - but the fact PM devs tested out Smash 64 Kirby abilities and found they didn't work definitely puts things into perspective
    Strong Badam
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    Yea I mean that's more due to system changes & comparative power of the cast. Kirby's 64 iteration gets quite a bit out of down-airing people offstage a lot (No DI, minimal SDI, no meteor canceling) and having this massive Up-Tilt the hitboxes of which don't match the animation. Not only does Melee/Brawl not support rectangular hitboxes, people usually want hitboxes to make sense. Plus his usual combo routes don't work in a system with Directional Influence and lower hitstun. It's not really possible to copy paste a Smash 64 character into a later game engine and expect it to work, it's why we stuck with inspiration (some examples: Link's boomerang throw speed, pikachu's bair)
    Sometimes I have the perfect pun, but many way too many ideas for set ups so I just combine them all into some eldritch fusion among the lines of "WHAT DO YOU CALL A DISAPPEARING PARROT WHO HAS 2 GIRLFRIENDS AND IS RENDERED ON THE NINTENDO 64?"

    I lack the brain cells required to comprehend how this logo could've ever been considered professional for use in any kind of commercial project in any time period.
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    Janx_uwu
    The background reminds me of Fairly Odd Parents, the music sounds like a group of frogs choking, and the reflection in the window of the rocket ship makes no sense. I have a feeling Toys For Bob was in an identity crisis here.
    "How do we appeal to kids?"
    "Eh just give it a dumb name and throw a bunch of random colors and sounds onto it. Put a rocket ship there too!"
    That new Caddicarus video has got me thinking about how cool a new Disney Skate Adventure using 1+2's engine would be.
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    Disney Skate was actually a rockin' game. Had a blast with that one back in the day on GCN.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    Yeah, plus the original only had 3 films - with Disney and Pixar's back catalogue, as well as all the franchises Disney's brought out under Bob Iger's reign, they could probably do monthly updates for years!
    I'm surprised more people don't mention the idea of Andross as a Smash fighter. He'd be a fun character for Sakurai to express 100% original creative muscles on like Fox beforehand.
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    Andross is all good, but what about Peppy or Slippy?
    Janx_uwu
    Janx_uwu
    I'm honestly surprised those two haven't made it in as AT's or Mii Costumes yet.
    Voe
    Voe
    It's funny that you've mentioned this. Back during the Smash 4 speculation era I made this in Sketchbook Pro:



    My idea was to introduce a new size class for the heavy fighters so characters like Giga Bowser, Mother Brain, Ridley, and Andross could be size down to be playable, but just the right size so they don't look off. Now that Ridley is in Ultimate, as well as taking a look at this fake leak pic I've made years ago I think if Andross' size was scaled down to be Ridley's height standing up he would look pretty good. Andross as a fighter would actually be pretty sick if it ever happened. A totally out of nowhere pick but I doubt a character like Andross would get any kind of massive backlash.

    EDIT: Also I'd prefer if Andross was the next SF rep for Smash so that we can get Slippy and Peppy as special/deluxe mii gunner costumes. Adding them as costumes would finally let starfox fans play the original team in smash without having to make a full character.
    I've always seen Waluigi as kinda like a wrestling heel, but for golf. His few instances of full dialogue do imply he's somewhat of a nice guy, or at the very least wise - like, actually wise, not a wiseguy.
    "We need a character who can be the final boss of our Nintendo crossover, who should it be?"

    "Perhaps a giant dragon?"

    "Nah, too generic, doesn't tie in to the characters."

    "Bowser, Andross or Ganon?"

    "Yeah... no, too specific. They're Mario, Fox, and Link's enemies - wouldn't make sense for Pikachu or Samus to take them on."

    "BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! ugh, how about the hand that wakes up Kirby on the continue screen? hehehehehehe"

    "PERFECT!"

    "I was joking, Mr. Sakur-eh, who cares, the raise can feed my family."
    I used to be active on DeviantArt and draw a lot of very... um... niche artwork, let's call it that, about people with elastic limbs - and all the OCs made for this artwork were very samey: adult woman, big boobs. I was sick and tired of it so I just decided to make an OC who is as (conventionally) unattractive as humanly possible. I took an old OC of mine (a Kumatora recolour named Grace) and slowly turned her into a disgusting pop-culture-obsessed wannabe-90s-kid teenage slob.


    While they never said it out loud, it seemed lot of people in the "elastic girl" community as they call it (I personally would've preferred a much more androgynous name) were baffled by this character - whenever I'd request people to draw her they'd remove the acne; give her boobs; e.t.c., which just defeated the point of the character to me. (fun fact: I specifically wrote into Grace's "lore" that she wears a chest binder and eye contacts so she can look more ugly, and actually has DD and anime eyes without them.)

    I have quite a few OCs, and pretty much all of them are male, with Grace being one of two female characters. This was pretty much just an act of rebellion towards the female-dominated elastic OC lineup

    I made a few treasured friends during my DA days, but now I speak with them on Discord instead. My OCs have stayed alive through our discussions, and I see big things in Grace's future... some day, she may just get her own game!
    "taunt/teabag to get bodied" is just a sign of a bad player since it implies they aren't putting their all into the game until they get taunted.
    ZephyrZ
    ZephyrZ
    Not quite.

    Often times it means they're playing more cautiously until the taunt gets them to play more risky or aggressive, which has both its pros and cons.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    Ahh, that makes sense actually.

    At the very least I don't think it's as simple as "taunt/teabag to get bodied". You should probably be cautious with taunts at a high level, but on casual Quickplay I don't think it really changes anything apart from being annoying
    Janx_uwu
    Janx_uwu
    It can work the opposite way too-the person taunting might be playing well up until that point, then get in their own head as well as the opponent's with the taunt. Prideful is not something you want to be in the middle of a match. Not to say you can't taunt, but you have to keep a level head afterwards.
    While I like Shovel Knight as a game I always felt it had a little too many modern commodities. It's more a modern game with retro graphics than a retro throwback; which is what most people like about it but what I dislike about it above all.
    Sometimes I wonder if "hoes mad" memes were actually an elaborate conspiratorial smear campaign by Byleth's haters against Byleth's fans. There's no way in hell anybody old enough to comprehend how FE's turn based strategy works and/or emotionally mature enough to handle permadeath would genuinely think making fun of people simply for the mere act of being upset at a video game character will help them or anyone else.
    This ad is strange to me for 2 reasons:

    1. It implies the game's "hero" Buck Bumble likes to kill innocent spiders for fun.
    2. You could just put a black screen on, play the Buck Bumble theme and add white text in Broadway font saying "buy buck bumble on n64" and it'd be the best selling game of all time. The song's that good.
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