VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[KirbyKaze]

Second best Sheik in Alaska.

 

[bladeofapollo]

sheik is boring

Untrue. All of Sheik's moves string together like an awesome dance, making her matches almost a performance.
And her edgeguarding is crazy cool.

But Peach is better
/butt

 

[Cia]

All of Sheik's moves string together like an awesome dance, making her matches almost a performance.
And her edgeguarding is crazy cool.

This post is amazing. I would sig it if my sig wasn't already legendary

 

[john!]

I've got AT LEAST one of the top 10 Sheiks within a five mile radius.

 

[bladeofapollo]

This post is amazing. I would sig it if my sig wasn't already legendary

Thank you! All of my friends say I'm some kinda weirdo for thinking this. But c'mon... it's too good.

However, I agree that your current sig is too good. Best. Dropzone. Ever.

 

[Dynamism?]

Shiek and Peach actually have a lot in common. Not only in how you use their moves (burst things close range etc) but in the mental play of how to use them effectively.

Positioning playing a bigger role in both of their games moreso than any other character. For starters.

 

[VA]

I dunno, I think they're quite different in that sheik has a lot she can do with grabs whereas peach finds use in grabs on a match up specific basis. Grabs are central to most top tiers, if peach could do more against floatier characters she'd be a lot better.

Also sheiks low % game is more about adding damage because she can easily be CC'd in some matchs ups where CCing against Peach is generally more dangerous.

Edge guarding with Peach is different too because of her second jump limiting her edgehogging capacity. I liked seeing bladewise using that turnip drop edge grab against m2k. I didn't think it worked that well, but he changed my mind.

I find that they are similary uncomplicated in their overall style though.

 

[Jartravious]

anyone know the chances of getting the special turnips/bombs ect?

 

[AnDaLe]

iirc, its like 1/300 chance for both?

 

[BladeWise]

It's like 1/30 something for stitchface.

 

[VA]

1/32 I thought for stitchface? or is that the damage it does, it might be 64. I think saturn is 1/100, bomb is like 1/300 and beamsword is like 1/600.

I'm really not sure about that though, I remember reading it somewhere...someone official come prove me wrong.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

So consider this:
maybe daisy is actually a clone of peach, as roy is a clone of marth, but she's just a lot worse, like roy is to marth?

 

[VA]

erm, her bair is stronger? doesn't everyone know this?

 

[bladeofapollo]

It's true, Superdoodleman ran some tests; her Bair IS stronger.

 

[Silly Kyle]

Daisy is a dumb betch.

Pink Peach is the best!!

 

[X1-12]

What do you all think on Peach vs Falco? I allways thoguht it was 60/40 in peach's favour but the falco boards seem to think its even thanks to platform camping mainly. What are your thoughts?



EDIT:

1/32 I thought for stitchface? or is that the damage it does, it might be 64. I think saturn is 1/100, bomb is like 1/300 and beamsword is like 1/600.

I'm really not sure about that though, I remember reading it somewhere...someone official come prove me wrong.

I'm pretty sure Stitchface is 1/56 and it does 34-36 damage (i think it depends if you drop it or throw it) and the other 3 rares are all 1/300

 

[Teczer0]

Ahh probabilities >___<

It scares me

I think Falco vs Peach is kinda stage dependant (Cuz you know there's a match up that isn't...)

I think its close to even though, personally.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Falco vs peach is 5050 i think. Falco gets dsmashed and gimped and peach gets camped and hit. a lot.
I like the matchup as both characters. I switch to falco vs peach.

 

[ConnorTheKid]

I'm pretty sure Stitchface is 1/56 and it does 34-36 damage (i think it depends if you drop it or throw it) and the other 3 rares are all 1/300

FYI, if you drop a stitchface, it acts like a normal turnip. It does 34-36% depending on if you smash throw it or normal (no control stick input) throw it.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I dunno, I think they're quite different in that sheik has a lot she can do with grabs whereas peach finds use in grabs on a match up specific basis. Grabs are central to most top tiers, if peach could do more against floatier characters she'd be a lot better.

Also sheiks low % game is more about adding damage because she can easily be CC'd in some matchs ups where CCing against Peach is generally more dangerous.

Edge guarding with Peach is different too because of her second jump limiting her edgehogging capacity. I liked seeing bladewise using that turnip drop edge grab against m2k. I didn't think it worked that well, but he changed my mind.

I find that they are similary uncomplicated in their overall style though.

If Peach could d-throw like Sheik she'd be awesome tier.

Instead of just good tier.

 

[marklar2]

I have nothing to back this up with but I'm pretty sure your chance of pulling a stitchface/non-turnip increases if you pull the turnip after a combo/knocking the opponent off the edge. I pull at least 80% of my stitchfaces like that.

 

[BladeWise]

I think that's just because you have more time to pull them.

 

[Teczer0]

Yea, I'm pretty sure there's really no relationship between stitch pulls and you throwing someone off the edge or whatever.

 

[marklar2]

Yeah, but I've sat in place on training mode trying to pull a stitchface before, it takes forever. It just seems to happen a lot more than it should sometimes. Kind of like Luigi's misfire, it happens way more than whatever the percentage for it is when you're recovering off the stage.

 

[BladeWise]

No, it's higher if the last time you did it was a misfire (I think).

People typically aren't using Side-B on the stage anyways.

 

[VA]

If Peach could d-throw like Sheik she'd be awesome tier.

Instead of just good tier.

Zactly, where is Peach dthrow CG? Imagine if they couldn't really DI it so it was just no DI everytime. Why not?

Also dropping stitchface is so sad...when he hits them and it does 1%...

 

[AnDaLe]

Pink Peach is a dumb betch.

Daisy is the best!!

Fixed. Brunettes are much better.

 

[Cia]

erm, her bair is stronger? doesn't everyone know this?

It's true, Superdoodleman ran some tests; her Bair IS stronger.

wait. what?

 

[KirbyKaze]

When I F-throw at the edge to put Fox/Falco offstage, what should I do after? All percents. I really have no idea what to do. I often just jump Nair or float Dair as precautionary but what else is good? I have massive gimping and edgeguarding issues on Fox.

 

[TheGeneral]

@KK

fc'd Back air is great. Try to aim your *** right at the tip of the edge, so you can punish a missed sweet spot from forward or up-b. I recommend doing this over and over again until

a) they die
b) you mess up

if b, they've hopefully taken a junk-load of damage by now.

Something I've noticed is that b-air stun can be cancelled with another up-b ( kind of like a meteor smash), so in that case, try using d-air because they can't mash up-b out of it immediately. They have to wait until they've fallen past your feet, in which case, they are below the stage and back in edge-guarding/ killing position again.

 

[Dynamism?]

I dunno, I think they're quite different
I find that they are similary uncomplicated in their overall style though.

None of this had anything to do with the mental state of mind I was referring to that makes them similar. But sure. XD

It's true, Superdoodleman ran some tests; her Bair IS stronger.

Wait. What? Really? THAT'S AWESOME!
Kind of like how Green Falcon is actually bigger than the other Falcons?
Didn't know it had an effect on any other character change.

So consider this:
maybe daisy is actually a clone of peach, as roy is a clone of marth, but she's just a lot worse, like roy is to marth?

>:[

I think Falco vs Peach is kinda stage dependant (Cuz you know there's a match up that isn't...)

For sure.
And lol

Kind of like Luigi's misfire, it happens way more than whatever the percentage for it is when you're recovering off the stage.

Wait what? What changes???

Fixed. Brunettes are much better.

I like you, you know what's up!

wait. what?

That's what I wanna know!

When I F-throw at the edge to put Fox/Falco offstage, what should I do after? All percents. I really have no idea what to do. I often just jump Nair or float Dair as precautionary but what else is good? I have massive gimping and edgeguarding issues on Fox.

Bair, like Shiek?



MULTIQUOOOOOTE!!!!

 

[ArcNatural]

wait. what?

If I remember this whole discussion correctly, after a certain % nair has more knockback than fair.

I don't know what this whole bair better than nair business though.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

wait daisy's bair is stronger?
so many mexican jokes can be made but I fail to think of one

 

[john!]

Yeah her bair is stronger, I tested it just now. Daisy's hips don't lie, and neither do I.

 

[Cia]

Yeah her bair is stronger, I tested it just now. Daisy's hips don't lie, and neither do I.

Ok, I cannot take this seriously.. lol.

MAGUS, plz help!!

"Does the Daisy colored Peach have a different bair then the blonde Peaches?"

If Daisy has ANYTHING better than the other colors, I see no reason to not use Daisy all the time.

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Lol Daisy. Its cuz them latinas got them fattys. didnt yall know.

 

[Crimson)S(hadow]

does anyone know what frame peach's UP+B out of shield starts? is it as fast as samus'?

i'm saying this because armada never did it vs mango's shield pressure so his shield gets eaten away; but i see pink shinobi doing up+b out of shield to get out of shield pressure

 

[bladeofapollo]

Geez guys, I was just kidding. I didn't think you'd take me seriously.

It's just a costume change, there is ABSOLUTELY no difference between skins for ANY characters.
-RED Link doesn't take less damage from fire attaks
-BLUE Pikachu doesn't have more range on Fair/DashAttack
-CROWN Jigglypuff doesn't do more damage w/ Dthrow
-DAISY Peach does NOT do more damage w/ Bair

Sorry for the confusion, I was just trying to be funny

 

[KirbyKaze]

Green Falcon is fatter than not green Falcon iirc. Not kidding. Something to do with Peach D-smash on Peach's Castle and Rolling. Ask Magus.

 

[MacD]

go to peach's castle and face the wall on the middle edge of the castle (the thing between the top and the ground) and dsmash with all falcon colors

one slips off, the rest it is cancelled somehow, really weird