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Hey Guys. So, I've look all over the Peach boards. and i couldn't find a thread that specifically teaches people how to deal with certain matches. Cort's thread is great, but he hasn't been around much lately. So I figured i'd make one. Think of it as a Peach version of MaNg0's thread. And I'm even going to use his format because it's simple as hell. (and cool) So.. let's go!
*when i say 'people who play the match up best,' i mean 'people who play the match up best.. as Peach's opponent.'
Peach Jargon
Bair > Dsmash - Means Drop your float w/ a bair, and go directly into a down smash.
Fair > Grab - Means Fair on your opponent's sheild. Then grab. The sheild stun from the Fair will not allow your opponent to escape.
Float Camping - Using the Float the stay out of range of your opponents attack while keeping in range to punish your opponent's responses.
Low Bair - Any bairs done while Floating directly above the ground. also known as 'low float bairs.'
DADS - A flurry of Dash Attacks and Down Smashes. Apparently discovered by MacD.
1. vs. Fox - 30:70 Fox
Pros
- Spaced low bairs can lead to grab
- Low Bair > Dsmash pressure ***** shield and has a high chance to pierce
- Up throw chain grab works til about 120%
- at low percentages, Peach can CC > Dsmash Fox's Nair, and Dash attack. and can CC fox's jab up until like.. 120%?
Cons
- LASERS!! they're gay as balls.
- Dair > Shine > Usmash aka the Bane of Peach.
- Fox can combo your life away. from almost anything. Dair, Utilt, Uthrow, Bair, Falling Uair, Dash attack.. etc.
- the Top Platform. it's the biggest assistant to Fox's camp game.
- Ledge grab > Shine. it ***** when you're recovering from below the ledge.
- Uthrow > Uair. can easily kill Peach below 90% But It can be avoided. KirbyKaze's AMAZING Guide to Smash DI
At the highest levels of play, this match up is hard as HELL. The Foxes are making no mistakes which means less opportunity to punish. So you have to rely on your ability to bait his lag. Space your Float Bairs and try to corner him at the edge of the stage. he will need to pass eventually. so use Bair to wall him. Turnip approach *****. Wait to see how your opponent responds to the turnip and punish accordingly. Once you get him down, KEEP ON HIM. you won't get too many opportunities to be on the offensive.
Needless to say, you'll want to get him of the ledge asap. even at 0%. You'll either edge guard him to death with Low bairs, or you'll put a **** load of damage in the process. either way, it's a good thing. Nair OoS is good if you can get it, but Fox's Nair > Shine pressure is tricky.
Also, Fox's Camp game is SUPER annoying. He'll be working the platforms alot. Never attempt to chase him to the top platform. By the time you get there, he'll be back on the ground. it's just a waste of time. Use this opportunity to pull a turnip and force a reaction. Use you're judgement and punish accordingly. As for the lower platforms.. fox will get destroyed on them. Especially if he's grounded on them. Just Hit him with any aerial. While fox is at lower percentages, Uair is preferred, when Fox is at lower percentages. It can lead to nair. and if they CC the Uair, they'll just get re-grounded.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Fountain of Dreams, Brinstar, Jungle Japes
Stages they like: Yoshi's Story, Dreamland, PokeFloats, Corneria, Rainbow Cruise, Green Greens, Pokemon Stadium
2. vs. Marth - 35:65 Marth
Pros
- Low Bairs Destroy excessive Dash Dancing
- Dash Attack ***** him out of the air
- Combos Marth REALLY hard.
- Peach can camp him nicely.
- can't be combo'd at higher percents
Cons
- Severely out-ranges peach
- Fthrow > TIPPER = unhappy Peach
- Fairs: they're just stupid. combo's peach til about 75ish. any DI. <_<
- Utilt kills most aerial approaches
- his Edge guard game vs peach is second to none. it's absolute hell to come back. and he'll probably tack on another 50% if you do make it back.
- Easily tippers Fsmash and Utilt through most platforms.
- Defensive game makes him hard to approach
Marth's are becoming increasingly campy/ annoying. The only thing i can really suggest that works is camping back. Toss turnips until they approach. (They will at some point or else they'll never get any hits.) Bait his Lag and combo the crap out of him. (Nairs and Bairs) Tech chase with Low Dair > Nair. (the Dair often pierces the shield.)
Also, i have a little trick for marth when he's on the ledge. Marth's second jump is pretty crappy, so he doesn't really have this spectacular way of coming back to to the stage. so.. just run toward the ledge and Shield. a few things can happen.
- Marth jumps from the ledge w/ Fair: Shield grab
- Marth jumps from the ledge w/ counter: just grab
- Marth jumps from the ledge w/ buffer roll: chase w/ Low Dair > Nair (unless you can grab him out of the air)
- Marth ledge stalls: step back, pick up a turnip, throw it and punish his reaction (usually w/ grab)
Basically, Peach can also be annoying when Marth needs to comeback to the stage. Marth usually wins this match up because of his combos, tipper kills, and edge guards. the best advice I can give is to space EVERYTHING and DO NOT LAG!
Stages we like: Final Destination, Mute City, Dream Land, Jungle Japes
Stages they like: Yoshi's Story, Battlefield, Green Greens, Fountain of Dreams.
3. vs. Sheik - 40:60 Sheik
Pros
- BAIRS! BAIRS! BAIRS! i can't stress the use of this move enough. Lots of consecutive bairs.
- If sheik has to use her Up+B to recover, she's pretty much dead.
- Dsmash wrecks Sheik. she has this weirdo weight class coupled with a laggy recovery that makes this move a Nightmare for sheik. And CC > Dsmash destroys Sheik's tilts.
Cons
- Sheiks grab combos are INSANE. the combos/tech chases are unreal sometimes.
- Sheik's Ftilt destroys peach's aerial approaches. and Ftilt > Fair damage adds up quickly.
- Sheik's Bair has a lot of range and priority. it can be annoying.
- Needles. they're really gay and are a HUGE part of sheik's camp game. they also set up sheik's grabs/ combos.
- Top Platform assists sheiks camp game as well.
- Sheik's excellent edge guard hurts peach.
So.. Sheik is pretty annoying for Peach. but not THAT much. it's not hopeless. Low Bairs are a real annoying to Sheik since it usually trades or beats Sheik's moves. Also, Bairing through a platform let's you cover A LOT of sheiks options when she's in a corner. it's low enough to hit her when standing, and high enough to hit her if she tries to waveland on a platform. win:win.
the hardest thing about this match up is avoiding grabs. Grabs lead to painful combos. and with Sheik's platform work. it can be really hard to catch her some times. But rather than chasing her, it's best to use your turnips to trap her. Also, You can Nair under Sheik's Fairs.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Mute City, Yoshi's Story, Dreamland (i guess)
Stages they like: Battlefield, Jungle Japes, Corneria, Kongo Jungle 64
4. vs Falco - 45:55 Falco
Pros
- Dsmash = OMGrape
- Super short FireFox w/o ring of fire = OMGrape
- Up throw chain grab til like 85% = OMGrape
- Peach can super combo Falco
Cons
- Falco can super combo Peach
- Dair > Shine pressure is ridiculously effective
- Lasers!! annoying as hell
- Falco's Dair Again. It has sooo much stun. it's just plain deadly.
- Short Hop Auto-Cancel Bairs. Creates this seemingly impassable wall against Peach. it's just annoying.
- Shine > Shine > Firefox > GAME
Falco is one of my least favorite match ups in the game. He's such a douche bag character. Dair > Shine > Dair > Shine. and if i shield it, my only safe option is to ROLL?? Douchebag. You could use the D'oH method and power shield everything, but I, personally, don't have the tech skill for it. Here's the link to his thread. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=239815
I recommend Float camping the crap out of Falco. Make sure that you are above his SH lasers and far away enough that if he tries to approach w/ Nair, you can drop a fair right on his face. While he's grounded KEEP ON HIM. Tech chase w/ Nair or Bair. If you get there too late, go for Fair > Grab. the point is to keep Falco on the defensive. If he's going to camp you anyway, why not be in his face?
Stages we like: Final Destination, Brinstar, Mute City, Dreamland
Stages they like: Battlefield, Fountain of Dreams, Pokemon Stadium, Corneria
5. vs Captain Falcon - 40:60 Captain Falcon
Pros
- Easy to combo
- Easy to edge guard.
- Can be chain grabbed til about 80%
- High Bairs
Cons
- Peach gets combo'd HARD
- Nair wall is a pain in the ***. It will trade or beat Peach's aerials.
- Uair knocks peach out of the air. ALWAYS
- Falcon's bair wall is hell to overcome.
- FAIR!! (i almost forgot about it). Grabs will ALWAYS lead to his broken Fair. (ask Hax$)
So uhh.. Captain Falcon is my LEAST favorite match up in the game. i'm not too bad at the match up, but you have to be insanely precise. Float camping is a must. Especially when CF is spacing with Bairs. Jfox recommends (and i co-sign) the retreating Bairs. The only problem with that is if the CF over shoots his aerials, they WILL beat bair. So if that doesn't work, use the float camp method to punish his landing. Also, Dash attack his nairs. these should lead to some devastating combos.
Avoid Falcon's grab as much as possible. Only pull turnips when falcon is FAR away. Don't rely on them too much for your approaches. Most Falcon's just Nair through them.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Mute City, Fountain of Dreams (because for some reason, most falcon's don't like this stage)
Stages they like: Pokemon Stadium, Yoshi's Story, Dreamland, Battlefield
6. vs Jigglypuff - 55:45
Pros
- Turnips are really gay against puff
- DAIRS!! they combo into your other aerials and builds damage nicely.
- BAIRS!! the key to winning the air battle.
- NAIRS!! especially out of the shield. they ****
- Puff is pretty slow, so she doesn't edge guard Peach as well as other characters (tiers)
Cons
- Less Dsmash. Like.. a lot less
Puff will usually try to bait and rest them.
- No 'Strong' kill moves.
So.. this match up is just one big air battle. the trick is to read jigglypuff's movements, and attack during the cool down of her aerials. Any time she hits your shield, nair or bair! this is how you will build damage seeing as how there won't be many combo ops.
Stages we like: Yoshi's Story, Fountain of Dreams, Mute City, Kongo Jungle, Final Destination
Stages they like: Dream Land, Battlefield
7. vs Peach - 50:50 (duhh sthoopid)
*It's a ditto. there aren't really any pros and cons.
Ahh.. the ever so important ditto. It's all about spacing. There are many ways to play it. Some play campy, some play aggressive. Some just have no idea what to do. Basically, you just want to make sure that you respond to whatever the other peach does. Keep close that you can punish any lag. My favorite strategy is to bait my opponent into dsmashing. I usually follow up with Fair and chase. Depending of the other Peach's percent, you can usually combo into 1 on more nairs. Also, Dair > Nair > Dsmash is great.
While the opponent is in the air, (w. float or Umbrella) chase them down w. Nair. Repeat this process until the your opponent dies. it's pretty amazing. Bair > Dsmash works well in the ditto too.
I recommend being the aggressor in this match up. Keep up the pressure and use turnips to help control space. Low Uairs beat A LOT of Peach's aerial approaches and it combos. learn how to keep control of the match.
*All dittos are best on FD IMO
8. vs. Ice Climbers - 70:30
Pros
- All of Peach's aerials seperate them
- Peach's Hit Stun + ICz low traction = a lot of missed punishes by ICz
- Hitting both ICz leaves the hit out longer
- DOWN ****ING SMASH!!!! just do it
Cons
- Deadly Chain grabs (i.e wobbling)
- Timed Fsmashes hurt Float approach
- Blizzard can be annoying
ICz is hands down one of Peach's best match up (and is her best high tier match up) She's very good at separating them. One of my Favorite things to do while they're shielding is Dair > Nair > Smash. This is like.. guaranteed to send Nana away. Then you just keep her away with FC Nairs and keep Popo away with Low Bairs.
You don't want to spend too much time on the ground. One grab from them and Peach's gross advantage doesn't even matter. Be sure to cover your landings.
Stages we like: Fountain of Dreams, Battlefield, Rainbow Cruise, PokeFloats, Brinstar
Stages they like: Final Destination, Pokemon Stadium, Dreamland
9. vs Dr. Mario - 60:40
Pros
- Peach has better range. So it's not really hard to space him
- Doc's like to crouch cancel alot. So get your fill of Dsmash
- Poor recovery means you have a good chance of getting some early kills
- Dair > Nair works
- Doc can't really get away from Peach's pressure, so be aggressive!
Cons
- Pills. they are annoying
- REALLY high priority Up+B makes it hard to hit him from the ledge.
- Dthrow > Fair is DUMB!
Alright so.. Doc's pretty annoying. But the match up is still in Peach's favor.I find myself using Bair approach often just to get through his stupid pills. once you get in, just keep on him with low bairs. Low Bair > Dsmash. Low Bair > land > SH Nair. to put it simply, doc is pretty helpless vs Bair, so Abuse it.
A few things to look out for. 1) when your percentage goes pass like.. 70, be extra cautious about getting grabbed. Dthrow > Fair will kill you on most Neutrals by Now. 2) Doc's Dair > Uair approach. it can lead to some nasty combos. They'll most likely do this while peach is in float. However, if they go for the dair while Peach is grounded, CC DSMASH!! they'll eat at least 2 hits. 3) Most Doc's like Jab > Grab. Just remind them why it's a bad idea to jab peach.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Fountain of Dreams, Mute City, Battlefield
Stages they like: Dream Land, Yoshi's Story, Corneria
10. vs Ganondorf - 55:45
Pros
- Ganon is amongst the easiest characters to combo
- Helpless recovery
Cons
- Dair > Dair > Possible tech chase Dair > Uair. Painful combo
- Up+B out of shield is really annoying
- His spaced aerials are incredibly annoying
- Ganon is deceptively fast on platforms
Ganon is one of those match ups that are really tedious. You have to be sure that your spacing is ON. Turnip > Fair is my favorite approach. it can lead to some nice tech chases and if shielded, you can follow up with grab. You HAVE to be precise with that approach otherwise you'll just fall victim to numerous retreating fairs.
Another thing, while ganon is dashing all over platforms, just throw stuff at him. He can fall off/ through the platforms at any given time and his Bairs hurt. Dtilts are amazing if can land one. they lead to massive combos. Just remember that it's one of those high risk moves that are punished badly if missed.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Mute City, Brinstar
Stages they like: Battlefield, Yoshi's Story, Fountain of Dreams
11. vs Mario - 60:40
Pros
- Peach has more range!!
- Fairs!! Do them. Often.
Cons
- Mario's fireballs can be annoying if he camps with them.
- Mario's Dair > Uair builds damage and can lead to more combos
- Turnips aren't really needed, he'll usually cape them.
This is another match up that Peach can really dominate by keeping up the pressure. Peach can crouch cancel an insane amount of Mario's approaches so keep your C stick ready.. lol. you really don't need an air tight strategy to win this. Standard Peach stuff will suffice. Some low Bairs here and there. A few things to watch out for though. If you're floating and Mario appears to just be standing, he's most likely planning to Wavedash back > Fsmash. you can either over shoot the Aerial (should be Fair) or you can stop short and prepare another approach. Another thing. Because you can't crouch cancel in mid air, Mario's see the float as the best time to start their Dair > Uair BS. So just look out for those.
12. vs Samus - 65:35
Pros
- Samus is REALLY bad. It surprises me that she hasn't dipped into low tier
- Bairs Shut her down completely.
- No Need to camp.
- CC / OoS punish almost everything.
- Samus' roll CAN be chased by Peach.
- Turnips. Samus can't do much about them
- Uair will kill faster then other aerials on most Neutrals
Cons
- Up+B Oos is pretty annoying
- Surprise Extender grabs are annoying
- Peach can't really combo Samus.. shame on any samus that gets OD combo'd by peach.
- Samus can Dsmash peach at like 50% and get a full charge shot before Peach can punish. annoying.
I hate Samus. She's just boring. It takes for ever to kill her, She can't be combo'd, and most of them camp. Thank god the match up is so heavily stacked in our favor. Spaced Bairs work nicely and If done correctly, Samus' Up+B OoS will miss. Use Bair/Nair to get through missle spam. Spaced Fairs are nice too. In fact, spaced aerials are pretty much the way to go. Keep in mind that Samus players tend to crouch cancel EVERYTHING, so Fairs and grabs are most important early on.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Battlefield, Jungle Japes, Yoshi's Story
Stages they like: Dreamland, Pokemon Stadium, Corneria
13. vs Luigi - 60:40
Pros
- Low Bairs! Luigi can't punish them
- Pretty easy to edge guard
- Luigi has poor aerial movement, so just run from that and expect lots of ground approaches.
Cons
- Luigi's high priority aerials have high priority.
- he has some nice juggles
- MISFIRES. they complicate everything. stupid misfires.
- Really hard to combo as well
So my advice for Luigi is pretty much the same as Doc and Mario. EXTREME amounts of pressure. but I encourage it more for Luigi because he just slides everywhere. Keep on him with Low aerials and eventually the bad habits will come out (rolling, empty attacks) Peach wins this solely by praying on Luigi's inability to fight back. While in float, watch out for wave dash > Usmash. It's fast, strong, and has lots of priority. Also, don't go for combos. You'll just get Nair'd. One hit or two MAX. then go back to punishing his responses.
Stages we like: Battlefield, Final Destination, Mute City, Brinstar,
Stages they like: Dreamland, Fountain of Dreams, Yoshi's Story
14. vs Donkey Kong - 65:35
Pros
- DK's sheild is amongst the worst in the game.
- One of the easiest characters to combo ever.
- His terrible side step is easily punished
- Peach's aerials shut him down competely.
- Fair and Nair knock DK out of his recovery
Cons
- Upthrow > Uair kills peach at like 100ish on FD
- Bair wall is really effective.
Donkey Kong is just such a breath of Fresh Air for Peach. Everything about his build makes him a slave to the Down Smash, so get your fill. Donkey Kong will spend most of his time Bairing, so i don't recommend spending too much time in float. Just pay attention to his patterns, when he's facing the other way, expect Bair. When he's facing you, expect grab.
High level DK's will be very good at mixing it up, those will be the ones that you have to space and camp senseless. DK is rather slow, so you'll get a lot of turnip ops. Don't leave him idle for too long. That punch is nothing to take lightly. Even with good DI, it can kill peach as early as 80% on FD. and even worse, he can do it out of his cargo throw.
Some things to watch out for. The First hit of DK's Up+B. It's so incredibly strong and quick. If you don't expect it, it can really eff you up. DK will often go for this when he see's you going for an overhead attack. The solution? don't do it. The back fist gets some kind of weird invulnerability during the first couple of frames. When timed correctly, it won't even trade. Just completely avoid things like Float > Fair (unless you toss a turnip first.. which can still be punished.) He'll also try this while Peach is landing. DK is more tempted to do this when he knows peach can't escape (like in the helpless fall state) so be careful with your landings. He can also Up+B out of shield. So keep all of these factors in mind when DK is shielding with his back toward you.
Edge guarding DK is incredibly simple. Every single single aerial beats his Up+B. So you literally just go out there and hit him until you can edge hog him. Also, Peach can Uthrow > Uair DK about as much as he can do it to her, so grabs are really nice. Dash attack > Uair > Bair > etc. Basic combo strings are just amazing right now. So go for that extra hit when you can.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Fountain of Dreams, Brinstar
Stages they like: Battlefield, Yoshi's Story, Pokemon Stadium
15. vs Link
- 60:40
Pros
- Link will pretty much never be able to shield grab
- Actually slower than Peach
- Link is rather easy to edge guard
- moderately easy to combo.
Cons
- Projectile combos are painful
- Link's Up+B out of shield *****. And the gimp hit is really ****
- His nair is really fast, and has a deceptive hitbox at the end.
This match up is a bit tricky. Link will constantly space with projectiles. So float isn't going to do you much good. Use turnips to approach and set up combos. The objective is to get link off the stage as early as possible. Dash attack is also really nice in this match up. it can lead to nasty combos. I recommen doing it when link jumps to pull a bomb. If you hit him, the only thing he can do is throw the bomb. And more often than not, it will miss. Keep on his shield with safe moves. Fair > Grab is an essential.
Be extra careful when Link is holding a bomb. It can lead to some nasty combos. And the Nair! ugghhh. that move. the good Links will know how to abuse those deceptive hit boxes. The hit itself does like.. 5%, but because it has virtually 0 frames of cool down, it can usually lead to another hit. Prepare for that second hit. Don't try to punish the first Nair. Use your own Nair/ or Bair out of shield to punish the second hit. You should be fine from there. This match up is just spacing and picking your entrances.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Mute City, Jungle Japes, Battlefield
Stages they like: Pokemon Stadium, Rainbow Cruise
16. vs. Pikachu - 55:45
Pros
- Bair *****
- Turnips aren't bad either
- Pikachu's shield is rather small, so keep on it. You're bound to stab.
- Spaced fairs destroy him.
Cons
- Up Smash > PIKAAAA!! I've seen it kill as early as 57%
- Pikachu can combo the balls off Peach.
- Uair!! it's the gimpiest aerial I've ever seen. Even Peach's recovery is no match for it.
- Pikachu can Usmash Peach out of grab D:
This match up is pretty weird. You really want to keep yourself spaced at all times. Pikachu can combo off of any hit and it's really annoying. Alot of attacks can be CC Dsmashed, but I would rely on this for too long. Pikachu's short hop takes him pretty far, so they'll eventually just start Nairing through you. Just build some percentage with spaced aerials and turnips. Dash attack > Uair pretty much any of his aerial approaches. You also want to remain grounded most of the time. A quick Uair from Pikachu will hurt like a shine but with more stun. Also, evade the grab like your life depends on it. Because it does. The crap that Pikachu can do from a down throw is insane. At least his grab range sucks. So be careful with all of your attacks. DO. NOT. LAG.
When recovering, be really careful with how you return. I recommend going directly into float (w/o using the double jump) and see what happens from there. I say this because if Pikachu Uairs you out of Parasol, you're probably not coming back. So don't be so quick to exhaust your recovery.
When recovering from below the ledge, you absolutely much sweetspot it. If you don't you'll just eat a charged Fsmashed. And You can't even hit Pikachu with the Parasol because he attacks from so far away. If it's possible. I recommend using Double Jump > Float. Make sure it's just under the ledge so that when you drop the float, you cling to the ledge. From there, just use standard recovery tactics to make it back. Sometimes, X jump from the ledge isn't a bad idea because even if pikachu aerials, You still have a second jump.
Stages we like: Dreamland, DK64, Battlefield, Yoshi's Story?
Stages they like: Final Destination, Fountain of Dreams, Pokemon Stadium
17. vs. Young Link - 60:40
Pros
- Bairs are your savior!
- As a Peach player, your projectile game should naturally be good. So you can take advantage of his.
- His recovery kind of blows. Just bair him out of it.
- Young Link can't fast fall
Cons
- Bomb > Dair *****. Period
- Projectile flurries make it difficult to safely go airborne. SO DON'T!
- His Sword attacks have lots of priority.
- Platforms. You will get Uair'd if you land of them
Young Link has been recognized as the low tier defense against Peach for a long time. And truthfully if you fight him as you would most common match ups, he will beat the crap out of you. But in actually, peach has a solid advantage against him mainly because she gains a lot more from trading than he does. Not only that, but Young Link's range is pretty sad.
To win this match up, you just have to be smart and recognize Young Link's attack pattern, which is basically Bomb > aerial. So what do we know about the bomb? It's a multi-hit projectile item with decent stun doing about 10-12 on impact. (each hit being about 2-3 percent) So we know that if we get hit, we're in for a world of stun an damage. and we're most likely gonna get hit during float where we move on a straight line and can't shield. So when we see Young Link with a bomb, DO NOT FLOAT APPROACH! whenever possible, grab the bomb or shield it. When young link runs into his own explosion, it's pretty funny and you can Nair him. If you are ever in a situation where you can't guard, crouch cancel > shield. Right behind that bomb is an aerial and 12% is better than 28%. Then you just Nair OoS. This match up requires tons of Shield camp, but it's pretty easy once you get in the habit. Use shield if necessary because bombs CAN shield stab.
When recovering watch out for the bomb. Since you're airborne, you can'y guard or crouch cancel, so you're the perfect target for Bomb > Dair. Special recovery methods aren't really necessary, just be evasive. Jash has these really cool edgeguards for when you're recovering from below the ledge. 1) Young Link does a wave dash toward the ledge, but drops a bomb just before grabbing the edge. then he Nairs you. It ***** because if you don't tech, you get stage spiked. If you do tech, you get Nair'd again. 2) Young Link leaves a bomb right on the edge so that when your Umbrella hits the bomb, Peach gets popped up into a Dsmash, Nair, or Dair. In this scenario, you want to try and recover w/o the umbrella. If you can't, DI into the stage and tech bomb hit. It's pretty difficult, but it's your only option.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Fountain of Dreams, Yoshi's Story
Stages they like: Battlefield, Dreamland, Pokemon Stadium, Corneria
18. vs. Zelda - 60:40
Pros
- Zelda is ACTUALLY slower than Peach
- Chances of being shield grabbed are slim to none.
- Very easy to edge guard.
- Zelda isn't very combo intensive vs other floaties.
- Her smash attacks are very easily DI'd (In versions 1.1 + 1.2)
Cons
- Zelda's powerful aerials give her insane punishment potential
- She could turn into Sheik if she wanted to. Obv. it becomes a completely different match up.
This match up is just one big test of patience. Both characters want to safe approach without falling for the other player's bait. But Peach has more tools for not only nullifying Zelda's approach, but getting in safely as well. You want have a turnip in hand a majority of the time (especially while floating) This gives you several angles to approach from making it harder for your opponent to guess. Best case scenario would be the Zelda player using Nayru's Love prematurely. Upon seeing this, you should immediately go for FC. Depending on Zelda's percentage, you can Follow up with FC Nair > turnip throw or just turnip throw to keep Zelda on the defensive. You want to keep on the offensive while your opponent is thrown off because this gives them less time to recover and think of a counterattack. Use this to get her offstage ASAP. From the lowest percentages, you can string FC Bairs/Nairs to push her off and force her to use Up+B recover. Take the ledge whenever possible so that you force her to comeback onstage and repeat the process til you get the stock.
You want to the very aware of Zelda's positioning at all times. Her second jump may not go very high, but it is EXCELLENT for either pulling her back just enough land a spaced fair, or moving her in enough the spaced fair. A common tactic is to move in close to draw out a Dsmash from Peach. Then she just hops up with Fair/Bair. Replace the use a Dsmash w/ FC Nair. Chances are you can hit her before she can even starts Fair. If your Nairs aren't fast enough, just stay in your shield and wait it out. Another tactic Zelda's like is to jump right at you (as if trying to land a Dair or something) and then pulling back with Fair as you attempt a shield grab. Whenever Zelda approaches this way, just remain in your shield. Her grab is so slow, she should never get away with an empty jump < grab. Just block whatever she does followed by Nair OoS.
While the match up is pretty much the same across all platforms, Zelda is a bit more threatening in SSBM 1.0 (NTSC) Her multi-hit moves (Fsmash, Usmash Nayru's Love, Nair) all have less space in between hits making them A LOT harder to smash DI. It's possible, but will happen less often especially while Peach is grounded. To get out the of these moves, I tap UP on the control stick, and UP+AWAY on the C-stick.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Battlefield, Dreamland
Stages they like: Yoshi's Story, Fountain of Dreams, Rainbow Cruise.. apparently
-I will continue to update this til all match ups are covered-
Random Useful Stuff.. About Peach
- I will organize this better when I get some free time.
*when i say 'people who play the match up best,' i mean 'people who play the match up best.. as Peach's opponent.'
Peach Jargon
Bair > Dsmash - Means Drop your float w/ a bair, and go directly into a down smash.
Fair > Grab - Means Fair on your opponent's sheild. Then grab. The sheild stun from the Fair will not allow your opponent to escape.
Float Camping - Using the Float the stay out of range of your opponents attack while keeping in range to punish your opponent's responses.
Low Bair - Any bairs done while Floating directly above the ground. also known as 'low float bairs.'
DADS - A flurry of Dash Attacks and Down Smashes. Apparently discovered by MacD.
1. vs. Fox - 30:70 Fox
Pros
- Spaced low bairs can lead to grab
- Low Bair > Dsmash pressure ***** shield and has a high chance to pierce
- Up throw chain grab works til about 120%
- at low percentages, Peach can CC > Dsmash Fox's Nair, and Dash attack. and can CC fox's jab up until like.. 120%?
Cons
- LASERS!! they're gay as balls.
- Dair > Shine > Usmash aka the Bane of Peach.
- Fox can combo your life away. from almost anything. Dair, Utilt, Uthrow, Bair, Falling Uair, Dash attack.. etc.
- the Top Platform. it's the biggest assistant to Fox's camp game.
- Ledge grab > Shine. it ***** when you're recovering from below the ledge.
- Uthrow > Uair. can easily kill Peach below 90% But It can be avoided. KirbyKaze's AMAZING Guide to Smash DI
At the highest levels of play, this match up is hard as HELL. The Foxes are making no mistakes which means less opportunity to punish. So you have to rely on your ability to bait his lag. Space your Float Bairs and try to corner him at the edge of the stage. he will need to pass eventually. so use Bair to wall him. Turnip approach *****. Wait to see how your opponent responds to the turnip and punish accordingly. Once you get him down, KEEP ON HIM. you won't get too many opportunities to be on the offensive.
Needless to say, you'll want to get him of the ledge asap. even at 0%. You'll either edge guard him to death with Low bairs, or you'll put a **** load of damage in the process. either way, it's a good thing. Nair OoS is good if you can get it, but Fox's Nair > Shine pressure is tricky.
Also, Fox's Camp game is SUPER annoying. He'll be working the platforms alot. Never attempt to chase him to the top platform. By the time you get there, he'll be back on the ground. it's just a waste of time. Use this opportunity to pull a turnip and force a reaction. Use you're judgement and punish accordingly. As for the lower platforms.. fox will get destroyed on them. Especially if he's grounded on them. Just Hit him with any aerial. While fox is at lower percentages, Uair is preferred, when Fox is at lower percentages. It can lead to nair. and if they CC the Uair, they'll just get re-grounded.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Fountain of Dreams, Brinstar, Jungle Japes
Stages they like: Yoshi's Story, Dreamland, PokeFloats, Corneria, Rainbow Cruise, Green Greens, Pokemon Stadium
2. vs. Marth - 35:65 Marth
Pros
- Low Bairs Destroy excessive Dash Dancing
- Dash Attack ***** him out of the air
- Combos Marth REALLY hard.
- Peach can camp him nicely.
- can't be combo'd at higher percents
Cons
- Severely out-ranges peach
- Fthrow > TIPPER = unhappy Peach
- Fairs: they're just stupid. combo's peach til about 75ish. any DI. <_<
- Utilt kills most aerial approaches
- his Edge guard game vs peach is second to none. it's absolute hell to come back. and he'll probably tack on another 50% if you do make it back.
- Easily tippers Fsmash and Utilt through most platforms.
- Defensive game makes him hard to approach
Marth's are becoming increasingly campy/ annoying. The only thing i can really suggest that works is camping back. Toss turnips until they approach. (They will at some point or else they'll never get any hits.) Bait his Lag and combo the crap out of him. (Nairs and Bairs) Tech chase with Low Dair > Nair. (the Dair often pierces the shield.)
Also, i have a little trick for marth when he's on the ledge. Marth's second jump is pretty crappy, so he doesn't really have this spectacular way of coming back to to the stage. so.. just run toward the ledge and Shield. a few things can happen.
- Marth jumps from the ledge w/ Fair: Shield grab
- Marth jumps from the ledge w/ counter: just grab
- Marth jumps from the ledge w/ buffer roll: chase w/ Low Dair > Nair (unless you can grab him out of the air)
- Marth ledge stalls: step back, pick up a turnip, throw it and punish his reaction (usually w/ grab)
Basically, Peach can also be annoying when Marth needs to comeback to the stage. Marth usually wins this match up because of his combos, tipper kills, and edge guards. the best advice I can give is to space EVERYTHING and DO NOT LAG!
Stages we like: Final Destination, Mute City, Dream Land, Jungle Japes
Stages they like: Yoshi's Story, Battlefield, Green Greens, Fountain of Dreams.
3. vs. Sheik - 40:60 Sheik
Pros
- BAIRS! BAIRS! BAIRS! i can't stress the use of this move enough. Lots of consecutive bairs.
- If sheik has to use her Up+B to recover, she's pretty much dead.
- Dsmash wrecks Sheik. she has this weirdo weight class coupled with a laggy recovery that makes this move a Nightmare for sheik. And CC > Dsmash destroys Sheik's tilts.
Cons
- Sheiks grab combos are INSANE. the combos/tech chases are unreal sometimes.
- Sheik's Ftilt destroys peach's aerial approaches. and Ftilt > Fair damage adds up quickly.
- Sheik's Bair has a lot of range and priority. it can be annoying.
- Needles. they're really gay and are a HUGE part of sheik's camp game. they also set up sheik's grabs/ combos.
- Top Platform assists sheiks camp game as well.
- Sheik's excellent edge guard hurts peach.
So.. Sheik is pretty annoying for Peach. but not THAT much. it's not hopeless. Low Bairs are a real annoying to Sheik since it usually trades or beats Sheik's moves. Also, Bairing through a platform let's you cover A LOT of sheiks options when she's in a corner. it's low enough to hit her when standing, and high enough to hit her if she tries to waveland on a platform. win:win.
the hardest thing about this match up is avoiding grabs. Grabs lead to painful combos. and with Sheik's platform work. it can be really hard to catch her some times. But rather than chasing her, it's best to use your turnips to trap her. Also, You can Nair under Sheik's Fairs.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Mute City, Yoshi's Story, Dreamland (i guess)
Stages they like: Battlefield, Jungle Japes, Corneria, Kongo Jungle 64
4. vs Falco - 45:55 Falco
Pros
- Dsmash = OMGrape
- Super short FireFox w/o ring of fire = OMGrape
- Up throw chain grab til like 85% = OMGrape
- Peach can super combo Falco
Cons
- Falco can super combo Peach
- Dair > Shine pressure is ridiculously effective
- Lasers!! annoying as hell
- Falco's Dair Again. It has sooo much stun. it's just plain deadly.
- Short Hop Auto-Cancel Bairs. Creates this seemingly impassable wall against Peach. it's just annoying.
- Shine > Shine > Firefox > GAME
Falco is one of my least favorite match ups in the game. He's such a douche bag character. Dair > Shine > Dair > Shine. and if i shield it, my only safe option is to ROLL?? Douchebag. You could use the D'oH method and power shield everything, but I, personally, don't have the tech skill for it. Here's the link to his thread. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=239815
I recommend Float camping the crap out of Falco. Make sure that you are above his SH lasers and far away enough that if he tries to approach w/ Nair, you can drop a fair right on his face. While he's grounded KEEP ON HIM. Tech chase w/ Nair or Bair. If you get there too late, go for Fair > Grab. the point is to keep Falco on the defensive. If he's going to camp you anyway, why not be in his face?
Stages we like: Final Destination, Brinstar, Mute City, Dreamland
Stages they like: Battlefield, Fountain of Dreams, Pokemon Stadium, Corneria
5. vs Captain Falcon - 40:60 Captain Falcon
Pros
- Easy to combo
- Easy to edge guard.
- Can be chain grabbed til about 80%
- High Bairs
Cons
- Peach gets combo'd HARD
- Nair wall is a pain in the ***. It will trade or beat Peach's aerials.
- Uair knocks peach out of the air. ALWAYS
- Falcon's bair wall is hell to overcome.
- FAIR!! (i almost forgot about it). Grabs will ALWAYS lead to his broken Fair. (ask Hax$)
So uhh.. Captain Falcon is my LEAST favorite match up in the game. i'm not too bad at the match up, but you have to be insanely precise. Float camping is a must. Especially when CF is spacing with Bairs. Jfox recommends (and i co-sign) the retreating Bairs. The only problem with that is if the CF over shoots his aerials, they WILL beat bair. So if that doesn't work, use the float camp method to punish his landing. Also, Dash attack his nairs. these should lead to some devastating combos.
Avoid Falcon's grab as much as possible. Only pull turnips when falcon is FAR away. Don't rely on them too much for your approaches. Most Falcon's just Nair through them.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Mute City, Fountain of Dreams (because for some reason, most falcon's don't like this stage)
Stages they like: Pokemon Stadium, Yoshi's Story, Dreamland, Battlefield
6. vs Jigglypuff - 55:45
Pros
- Turnips are really gay against puff
- DAIRS!! they combo into your other aerials and builds damage nicely.
- BAIRS!! the key to winning the air battle.
- NAIRS!! especially out of the shield. they ****
- Puff is pretty slow, so she doesn't edge guard Peach as well as other characters (tiers)
Cons
- Less Dsmash. Like.. a lot less
Puff will usually try to bait and rest them.- No 'Strong' kill moves.
So.. this match up is just one big air battle. the trick is to read jigglypuff's movements, and attack during the cool down of her aerials. Any time she hits your shield, nair or bair! this is how you will build damage seeing as how there won't be many combo ops.
Stages we like: Yoshi's Story, Fountain of Dreams, Mute City, Kongo Jungle, Final Destination
Stages they like: Dream Land, Battlefield
7. vs Peach - 50:50 (duhh sthoopid)
*It's a ditto. there aren't really any pros and cons.
Ahh.. the ever so important ditto. It's all about spacing. There are many ways to play it. Some play campy, some play aggressive. Some just have no idea what to do. Basically, you just want to make sure that you respond to whatever the other peach does. Keep close that you can punish any lag. My favorite strategy is to bait my opponent into dsmashing. I usually follow up with Fair and chase. Depending of the other Peach's percent, you can usually combo into 1 on more nairs. Also, Dair > Nair > Dsmash is great.
While the opponent is in the air, (w. float or Umbrella) chase them down w. Nair. Repeat this process until the your opponent dies. it's pretty amazing. Bair > Dsmash works well in the ditto too.
I recommend being the aggressor in this match up. Keep up the pressure and use turnips to help control space. Low Uairs beat A LOT of Peach's aerial approaches and it combos. learn how to keep control of the match.
*All dittos are best on FD IMO
8. vs. Ice Climbers - 70:30
Pros
- All of Peach's aerials seperate them
- Peach's Hit Stun + ICz low traction = a lot of missed punishes by ICz
- Hitting both ICz leaves the hit out longer
- DOWN ****ING SMASH!!!! just do it
Cons
- Deadly Chain grabs (i.e wobbling)
- Timed Fsmashes hurt Float approach
- Blizzard can be annoying
ICz is hands down one of Peach's best match up (and is her best high tier match up) She's very good at separating them. One of my Favorite things to do while they're shielding is Dair > Nair > Smash. This is like.. guaranteed to send Nana away. Then you just keep her away with FC Nairs and keep Popo away with Low Bairs.
You don't want to spend too much time on the ground. One grab from them and Peach's gross advantage doesn't even matter. Be sure to cover your landings.
Stages we like: Fountain of Dreams, Battlefield, Rainbow Cruise, PokeFloats, Brinstar
Stages they like: Final Destination, Pokemon Stadium, Dreamland
9. vs Dr. Mario - 60:40
Pros
- Peach has better range. So it's not really hard to space him
- Doc's like to crouch cancel alot. So get your fill of Dsmash
- Poor recovery means you have a good chance of getting some early kills
- Dair > Nair works
- Doc can't really get away from Peach's pressure, so be aggressive!
Cons
- Pills. they are annoying
- REALLY high priority Up+B makes it hard to hit him from the ledge.
- Dthrow > Fair is DUMB!
Alright so.. Doc's pretty annoying. But the match up is still in Peach's favor.I find myself using Bair approach often just to get through his stupid pills. once you get in, just keep on him with low bairs. Low Bair > Dsmash. Low Bair > land > SH Nair. to put it simply, doc is pretty helpless vs Bair, so Abuse it.
A few things to look out for. 1) when your percentage goes pass like.. 70, be extra cautious about getting grabbed. Dthrow > Fair will kill you on most Neutrals by Now. 2) Doc's Dair > Uair approach. it can lead to some nasty combos. They'll most likely do this while peach is in float. However, if they go for the dair while Peach is grounded, CC DSMASH!! they'll eat at least 2 hits. 3) Most Doc's like Jab > Grab. Just remind them why it's a bad idea to jab peach.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Fountain of Dreams, Mute City, Battlefield
Stages they like: Dream Land, Yoshi's Story, Corneria
10. vs Ganondorf - 55:45
Pros
- Ganon is amongst the easiest characters to combo
- Helpless recovery
Cons
- Dair > Dair > Possible tech chase Dair > Uair. Painful combo
- Up+B out of shield is really annoying
- His spaced aerials are incredibly annoying
- Ganon is deceptively fast on platforms
Ganon is one of those match ups that are really tedious. You have to be sure that your spacing is ON. Turnip > Fair is my favorite approach. it can lead to some nice tech chases and if shielded, you can follow up with grab. You HAVE to be precise with that approach otherwise you'll just fall victim to numerous retreating fairs.
Another thing, while ganon is dashing all over platforms, just throw stuff at him. He can fall off/ through the platforms at any given time and his Bairs hurt. Dtilts are amazing if can land one. they lead to massive combos. Just remember that it's one of those high risk moves that are punished badly if missed.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Mute City, Brinstar
Stages they like: Battlefield, Yoshi's Story, Fountain of Dreams
11. vs Mario - 60:40
Pros
- Peach has more range!!
- Fairs!! Do them. Often.
Cons
- Mario's fireballs can be annoying if he camps with them.
- Mario's Dair > Uair builds damage and can lead to more combos
- Turnips aren't really needed, he'll usually cape them.
This is another match up that Peach can really dominate by keeping up the pressure. Peach can crouch cancel an insane amount of Mario's approaches so keep your C stick ready.. lol. you really don't need an air tight strategy to win this. Standard Peach stuff will suffice. Some low Bairs here and there. A few things to watch out for though. If you're floating and Mario appears to just be standing, he's most likely planning to Wavedash back > Fsmash. you can either over shoot the Aerial (should be Fair) or you can stop short and prepare another approach. Another thing. Because you can't crouch cancel in mid air, Mario's see the float as the best time to start their Dair > Uair BS. So just look out for those.
12. vs Samus - 65:35
Pros
- Samus is REALLY bad. It surprises me that she hasn't dipped into low tier
- Bairs Shut her down completely.
- No Need to camp.
- CC / OoS punish almost everything.
- Samus' roll CAN be chased by Peach.
- Turnips. Samus can't do much about them
- Uair will kill faster then other aerials on most Neutrals
Cons
- Up+B Oos is pretty annoying
- Surprise Extender grabs are annoying
- Peach can't really combo Samus.. shame on any samus that gets OD combo'd by peach.
- Samus can Dsmash peach at like 50% and get a full charge shot before Peach can punish. annoying.
I hate Samus. She's just boring. It takes for ever to kill her, She can't be combo'd, and most of them camp. Thank god the match up is so heavily stacked in our favor. Spaced Bairs work nicely and If done correctly, Samus' Up+B OoS will miss. Use Bair/Nair to get through missle spam. Spaced Fairs are nice too. In fact, spaced aerials are pretty much the way to go. Keep in mind that Samus players tend to crouch cancel EVERYTHING, so Fairs and grabs are most important early on.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Battlefield, Jungle Japes, Yoshi's Story
Stages they like: Dreamland, Pokemon Stadium, Corneria
13. vs Luigi - 60:40
Pros
- Low Bairs! Luigi can't punish them
- Pretty easy to edge guard
- Luigi has poor aerial movement, so just run from that and expect lots of ground approaches.
Cons
- Luigi's high priority aerials have high priority.
- he has some nice juggles
- MISFIRES. they complicate everything. stupid misfires.
- Really hard to combo as well
So my advice for Luigi is pretty much the same as Doc and Mario. EXTREME amounts of pressure. but I encourage it more for Luigi because he just slides everywhere. Keep on him with Low aerials and eventually the bad habits will come out (rolling, empty attacks) Peach wins this solely by praying on Luigi's inability to fight back. While in float, watch out for wave dash > Usmash. It's fast, strong, and has lots of priority. Also, don't go for combos. You'll just get Nair'd. One hit or two MAX. then go back to punishing his responses.
Stages we like: Battlefield, Final Destination, Mute City, Brinstar,
Stages they like: Dreamland, Fountain of Dreams, Yoshi's Story
14. vs Donkey Kong - 65:35
Pros
- DK's sheild is amongst the worst in the game.
- One of the easiest characters to combo ever.
- His terrible side step is easily punished
- Peach's aerials shut him down competely.
- Fair and Nair knock DK out of his recovery
Cons
- Upthrow > Uair kills peach at like 100ish on FD
- Bair wall is really effective.
Donkey Kong is just such a breath of Fresh Air for Peach. Everything about his build makes him a slave to the Down Smash, so get your fill. Donkey Kong will spend most of his time Bairing, so i don't recommend spending too much time in float. Just pay attention to his patterns, when he's facing the other way, expect Bair. When he's facing you, expect grab.
High level DK's will be very good at mixing it up, those will be the ones that you have to space and camp senseless. DK is rather slow, so you'll get a lot of turnip ops. Don't leave him idle for too long. That punch is nothing to take lightly. Even with good DI, it can kill peach as early as 80% on FD. and even worse, he can do it out of his cargo throw.
Some things to watch out for. The First hit of DK's Up+B. It's so incredibly strong and quick. If you don't expect it, it can really eff you up. DK will often go for this when he see's you going for an overhead attack. The solution? don't do it. The back fist gets some kind of weird invulnerability during the first couple of frames. When timed correctly, it won't even trade. Just completely avoid things like Float > Fair (unless you toss a turnip first.. which can still be punished.) He'll also try this while Peach is landing. DK is more tempted to do this when he knows peach can't escape (like in the helpless fall state) so be careful with your landings. He can also Up+B out of shield. So keep all of these factors in mind when DK is shielding with his back toward you.
Edge guarding DK is incredibly simple. Every single single aerial beats his Up+B. So you literally just go out there and hit him until you can edge hog him. Also, Peach can Uthrow > Uair DK about as much as he can do it to her, so grabs are really nice. Dash attack > Uair > Bair > etc. Basic combo strings are just amazing right now. So go for that extra hit when you can.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Fountain of Dreams, Brinstar
Stages they like: Battlefield, Yoshi's Story, Pokemon Stadium
15. vs Link
- 60:40
Pros
- Link will pretty much never be able to shield grab
- Actually slower than Peach
- Link is rather easy to edge guard
- moderately easy to combo.
Cons
- Projectile combos are painful
- Link's Up+B out of shield *****. And the gimp hit is really ****
- His nair is really fast, and has a deceptive hitbox at the end.
This match up is a bit tricky. Link will constantly space with projectiles. So float isn't going to do you much good. Use turnips to approach and set up combos. The objective is to get link off the stage as early as possible. Dash attack is also really nice in this match up. it can lead to nasty combos. I recommen doing it when link jumps to pull a bomb. If you hit him, the only thing he can do is throw the bomb. And more often than not, it will miss. Keep on his shield with safe moves. Fair > Grab is an essential.
Be extra careful when Link is holding a bomb. It can lead to some nasty combos. And the Nair! ugghhh. that move. the good Links will know how to abuse those deceptive hit boxes. The hit itself does like.. 5%, but because it has virtually 0 frames of cool down, it can usually lead to another hit. Prepare for that second hit. Don't try to punish the first Nair. Use your own Nair/ or Bair out of shield to punish the second hit. You should be fine from there. This match up is just spacing and picking your entrances.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Mute City, Jungle Japes, Battlefield
Stages they like: Pokemon Stadium, Rainbow Cruise
16. vs. Pikachu - 55:45
Pros
- Bair *****
- Turnips aren't bad either
- Pikachu's shield is rather small, so keep on it. You're bound to stab.
- Spaced fairs destroy him.
Cons
- Up Smash > PIKAAAA!! I've seen it kill as early as 57%
- Pikachu can combo the balls off Peach.
- Uair!! it's the gimpiest aerial I've ever seen. Even Peach's recovery is no match for it.
- Pikachu can Usmash Peach out of grab D:
This match up is pretty weird. You really want to keep yourself spaced at all times. Pikachu can combo off of any hit and it's really annoying. Alot of attacks can be CC Dsmashed, but I would rely on this for too long. Pikachu's short hop takes him pretty far, so they'll eventually just start Nairing through you. Just build some percentage with spaced aerials and turnips. Dash attack > Uair pretty much any of his aerial approaches. You also want to remain grounded most of the time. A quick Uair from Pikachu will hurt like a shine but with more stun. Also, evade the grab like your life depends on it. Because it does. The crap that Pikachu can do from a down throw is insane. At least his grab range sucks. So be careful with all of your attacks. DO. NOT. LAG.
When recovering, be really careful with how you return. I recommend going directly into float (w/o using the double jump) and see what happens from there. I say this because if Pikachu Uairs you out of Parasol, you're probably not coming back. So don't be so quick to exhaust your recovery.
When recovering from below the ledge, you absolutely much sweetspot it. If you don't you'll just eat a charged Fsmashed. And You can't even hit Pikachu with the Parasol because he attacks from so far away. If it's possible. I recommend using Double Jump > Float. Make sure it's just under the ledge so that when you drop the float, you cling to the ledge. From there, just use standard recovery tactics to make it back. Sometimes, X jump from the ledge isn't a bad idea because even if pikachu aerials, You still have a second jump.
Stages we like: Dreamland, DK64, Battlefield, Yoshi's Story?
Stages they like: Final Destination, Fountain of Dreams, Pokemon Stadium
17. vs. Young Link - 60:40
Pros
- Bairs are your savior!
- As a Peach player, your projectile game should naturally be good. So you can take advantage of his.
- His recovery kind of blows. Just bair him out of it.
- Young Link can't fast fall
Cons
- Bomb > Dair *****. Period
- Projectile flurries make it difficult to safely go airborne. SO DON'T!
- His Sword attacks have lots of priority.
- Platforms. You will get Uair'd if you land of them
Young Link has been recognized as the low tier defense against Peach for a long time. And truthfully if you fight him as you would most common match ups, he will beat the crap out of you. But in actually, peach has a solid advantage against him mainly because she gains a lot more from trading than he does. Not only that, but Young Link's range is pretty sad.
To win this match up, you just have to be smart and recognize Young Link's attack pattern, which is basically Bomb > aerial. So what do we know about the bomb? It's a multi-hit projectile item with decent stun doing about 10-12 on impact. (each hit being about 2-3 percent) So we know that if we get hit, we're in for a world of stun an damage. and we're most likely gonna get hit during float where we move on a straight line and can't shield. So when we see Young Link with a bomb, DO NOT FLOAT APPROACH! whenever possible, grab the bomb or shield it. When young link runs into his own explosion, it's pretty funny and you can Nair him. If you are ever in a situation where you can't guard, crouch cancel > shield. Right behind that bomb is an aerial and 12% is better than 28%. Then you just Nair OoS. This match up requires tons of Shield camp, but it's pretty easy once you get in the habit. Use shield if necessary because bombs CAN shield stab.
When recovering watch out for the bomb. Since you're airborne, you can'y guard or crouch cancel, so you're the perfect target for Bomb > Dair. Special recovery methods aren't really necessary, just be evasive. Jash has these really cool edgeguards for when you're recovering from below the ledge. 1) Young Link does a wave dash toward the ledge, but drops a bomb just before grabbing the edge. then he Nairs you. It ***** because if you don't tech, you get stage spiked. If you do tech, you get Nair'd again. 2) Young Link leaves a bomb right on the edge so that when your Umbrella hits the bomb, Peach gets popped up into a Dsmash, Nair, or Dair. In this scenario, you want to try and recover w/o the umbrella. If you can't, DI into the stage and tech bomb hit. It's pretty difficult, but it's your only option.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Fountain of Dreams, Yoshi's Story
Stages they like: Battlefield, Dreamland, Pokemon Stadium, Corneria
18. vs. Zelda - 60:40
Pros
- Zelda is ACTUALLY slower than Peach
- Chances of being shield grabbed are slim to none.
- Very easy to edge guard.
- Zelda isn't very combo intensive vs other floaties.
- Her smash attacks are very easily DI'd (In versions 1.1 + 1.2)
Cons
- Zelda's powerful aerials give her insane punishment potential
- She could turn into Sheik if she wanted to. Obv. it becomes a completely different match up.
This match up is just one big test of patience. Both characters want to safe approach without falling for the other player's bait. But Peach has more tools for not only nullifying Zelda's approach, but getting in safely as well. You want have a turnip in hand a majority of the time (especially while floating) This gives you several angles to approach from making it harder for your opponent to guess. Best case scenario would be the Zelda player using Nayru's Love prematurely. Upon seeing this, you should immediately go for FC. Depending on Zelda's percentage, you can Follow up with FC Nair > turnip throw or just turnip throw to keep Zelda on the defensive. You want to keep on the offensive while your opponent is thrown off because this gives them less time to recover and think of a counterattack. Use this to get her offstage ASAP. From the lowest percentages, you can string FC Bairs/Nairs to push her off and force her to use Up+B recover. Take the ledge whenever possible so that you force her to comeback onstage and repeat the process til you get the stock.
You want to the very aware of Zelda's positioning at all times. Her second jump may not go very high, but it is EXCELLENT for either pulling her back just enough land a spaced fair, or moving her in enough the spaced fair. A common tactic is to move in close to draw out a Dsmash from Peach. Then she just hops up with Fair/Bair. Replace the use a Dsmash w/ FC Nair. Chances are you can hit her before she can even starts Fair. If your Nairs aren't fast enough, just stay in your shield and wait it out. Another tactic Zelda's like is to jump right at you (as if trying to land a Dair or something) and then pulling back with Fair as you attempt a shield grab. Whenever Zelda approaches this way, just remain in your shield. Her grab is so slow, she should never get away with an empty jump < grab. Just block whatever she does followed by Nair OoS.
While the match up is pretty much the same across all platforms, Zelda is a bit more threatening in SSBM 1.0 (NTSC) Her multi-hit moves (Fsmash, Usmash Nayru's Love, Nair) all have less space in between hits making them A LOT harder to smash DI. It's possible, but will happen less often especially while Peach is grounded. To get out the of these moves, I tap UP on the control stick, and UP+AWAY on the C-stick.
Stages we like: Final Destination, Battlefield, Dreamland
Stages they like: Yoshi's Story, Fountain of Dreams, Rainbow Cruise.. apparently
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Random Useful Stuff.. About Peach
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