VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[Teczer0]

Personally I don't think its that bad.

Its more fast paced than some of her other match ups imo.

Well.. it also lets me play a lot of OOS play which I <3

 

[Cia]

I have no consistent practice in it

you played me at ROM 1, ROM 2, and Pound 4. That's pretty much everytime i've seen you. consistent IMO :D

 

[KirbyKaze]

This is true.

Although I don't think you were Peach at Rom2.

 

[AnDaLe]

why is peach so hard to be good as? T.T

 

[bladeofapollo]

why is peach so hard to be good as? T.T

You need patience to play Peach. She's not like most of the other top tiers that can rush in and make openings, she doesn't move fast enough for it.

You either need to set up your approach real good or work off of your opponent's approaches and mistakes. Kinda like Samus

 

[The Irish Mafia]

yeah peach is pretty much always waiting

 

[MacD]

screw that, i rush in like a *****

also after today i've decided, i need some intense tech skill training, i can't instafloat nair > dash attack,

sadly it is the week before finals so i need to start getting ready so i won't have much time to practice

but i was wondering, does anyone think it would be good to, when i play friendlies, force myself to not use dsmash, kinda like when falco's don't use lasers to practice, i think that is how i need to take my next step, less dsmash and better tech skill

thoughts??

 

[Cia]

but i was wondering, does anyone think it would be good to, when i play friendlies, force myself to not use dsmash, kinda like when falco's don't use lasers to practice, i think that is how i need to take my next step, less dsmash and better tech skill

thoughts??

I think it would help. Using less dsmash helps to remove the habit of mashing Dsmash at the first sign of danger. It can be predictable and end badly (ex. I rest peaches out dsmash >=]) Not only that, but it let's you explore Peach's other options (because dsmash isn't always the best punish)

so.. yeah, i would try it out.

Apollo - I kind of disagree. I play rush down Peach and it's working out great for me. Of course patience is necessary for every character in the game to be played effectively, but I always like to be a certain distance from my opponent. (like within a quarter of FD) It allows me to limit my opponents options if they want to remain safe. And turnips play a huge role in applying pressure. Other Peaches that play an aggressive style would be MikeG, XIF, Vwins, Wife?

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BTW, I was in a tournament yesterday, and I was playing against a CF. This seems really obvious when I think about it, but I've never done this for some reason (until yesterday). Uthrow > Uair > Nair as a CG finisher. It's puts CF off the ledge and does pretty good damage for a grab.

So yeah.. those who don't do it already so def. learn the timing for it because it's pretty ****.

 

[AnDaLe]

Yea, it always seems that peach is a character that takes more patience than others. I wasn't sure if it was just me or not >.<.

 

[VA]

BTW, I was in a tournament yesterday, and I was playing against a CF. This seems really obvious when I think about it, but I've never done this for some reason (until yesterday). Uthrow > Uair > Nair as a CG finisher. It's puts CF off the ledge and does pretty good damage for a grab.

So yeah.. those who don't do it already so def. learn the timing for it because it's pretty ****.

What's actually better than this is staying on the ground and faking a regrab attempt to bait their jump then fairing them.

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

What's actually better than this is staying on the ground and faking a regrab attempt to bait their jump then fairing them.

Nah man just use more downsmash.

 

[VA]

U dun no pch. u onli no ganun.

 

[Cia]

What's actually better than this is staying on the ground and faking a regrab attempt to bait their jump then fairing them.

This has better results if pulled of successfully. It will work once, maybe twice if your opponent is just.. off or something. But Uair > Nair is guarateed. Besides, Falcon can beat out fair with all of his aerials.

Mixing up the two would be nice tho.

 

[Teczer0]

A peach that rushes at you making smart decisions...

Is an extremely scary peach

Dammit Vanz, why can't you play like me. Passively?

 

[MacD]

oh so i remember this weekend, i was playing some shieks, and they would occasionall dthrow upsmash me at 0, now i've been told time and time again that doesn't work, and every once in a while i can nair out, though this weekend i was never able to nair out, why?

i know you don't di and i just spammed A like always

also what is the best option of DI at 0

 

[Teczer0]

It works at low percents. That or you gotta be like frame perfect.

Though I've never been naired out of my dthrow upsmash at < 10%.

If they go for it and you DI you can nair out at any percent though.

 

[MacD]

wow, so everything i've been told was a lie

 

[Teczer0]

..... =(

Just take the dthrow CG into fair. After they dthrow you past 10% all they can really do is fair or ftilt.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

vanz, you'd be uairing them + or - 80%? It's hard to aerial a falcon -80 if they're DIing. I'll give that finisher a shot, though. I generally finish by waiting for them to jump and attack me on the way down, then nair them before they land.

 

[Cia]

vanz, you'd be uairing them + or - 80%? It's hard to aerial a falcon -80 if they're DIing. I'll give that finisher a shot, though. I generally finish by waiting for them to jump and attack me on the way down, then nair them before they land.

This is pretty much a different variation of Vanity Angel's punish. it's good, but it's a guessing game. and I would do it at 80+ when it feels like the chain grab is over.

teco - LOLOL. ok.. passively.

god i want to hit you in the face with a brick right now.

 

[VA]

It's good to have as many things in your head available and ready for use at any moment. I'll definitely add the uair + nair thing to my CG finishers list. I wouldn't have thought it worked but I guess with falcon he is on low enough % to hit confirm the nair with uair, accounting for DI.

Another thing, Fsmash is so good at punishing jump ins. Which is what I call it when you hit your opponent away/off the edge and they try to retaliate using their second jump. If you catch them with an fsmash during a jump in at low %'s, they're ****ed. Pan combos, Tennis racket ***** them cos of no DI, Gold Club is generally the worst but whatever.
Really it's so good, I've seen armada do it vs Ek.

EDIT: Gold Club? lol I'm leaving it as that.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

I love the golf club. Dips below the ledge. It's like sheik's ftilt range in a disjointed hitbox. Racket is the best though

yeah vans it's pretty much the same thing but I think it's a little safer IMO. Uair nair is def one of peaches' better options, I'll try that out

 

[Quaz]

I love peach's upair. I always try to replace it with bair/nair at lower %s because really theres nothing wrong with going for that extra combo hit.

 

[_Keno_]

So I'm having trouble with wavedashing with peach. I end up doing a 1/4 second long float instead, and then just falling back onto the ground. =/

When I do wavedash, I hold diagonal to the way I want to go, then jump and L-dodge. What do people who don't have this problem do? I think I'm either hold X too long, or holding the joy stick in the diagonal direction too early. About 1/5 of my wavedashes mess up due to this.

 

[Teczer0]

Vanz - Are you suggesting that I don't play a defensive peach?

pfffffffffffft

Oh and upair is great btw. On marth on certain percents (I think its like 15-25ish not 100% sure) you can upthrow full hop upair fall with upair full hop upair double jump nair.

Its either that or 2 upairs and nair. But in any case its ridiculous.

Cheap Peach - You probably aren't inputting the air dodge fast enough. Thats usually the case when you miss WDs and end up air dodging.

 

[_Keno_]

Cheap Peach - You probably aren't inputting the air dodge fast enough. Thats usually the case when you miss WDs and end up air dodging.

But I dont end up air dodging, I end up doing a short-lived float...
I can wave-dash with every character, and can even do so nice wavelands with peach when I want to, but if I try to do normal wavedashes, I end up doing a 1/4 second float like 20% of the time.

 

[Teczer0]

.. I guess you may be holding the jump button too long.....

Thats really the only explanation I can come up with atm. For me it feels the same like WDing with anyone else so I'm not sure what to say.

Just let go of the jump faster thats all I can think of.

 

[MacD]

used to have that problem wavedashing with peach

what i started doing is not doing the direction till after i jumped, like at the same time as the airdodge, cause if i hold it when i jump, i'd always float

 

[The Irish Mafia]

One method to fix that is wavedashing with the D stick.

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

U dun no pch. u onli no falcon.

fix'd'd'd'd'd'd

 

[VA]

ganun .

 

[_Keno_]

used to have that problem wavedashing with peach

what i started doing is not doing the direction till after i jumped, like at the same time as the airdodge, cause if i hold it when i jump, i'd always float

Ah, thanks. Nice to see somebody else has encountered this. I'll see if this works out for me.

 

[ShootingStars]

y are shiek players playing peach?
teczero...kirbykaze... lol

 

[bladeofapollo]

used to have that problem wavedashing with peach

what i started doing is not doing the direction till after i jumped, like at the same time as the airdodge, cause if i hold it when i jump, i'd always float

This is because Wavedashing involves holding down and left/right.

Holding down and pressing jump w/ Peach causes her to Float. So your problem is that's you're buffering a float instead of a wavedash direction. Peach is the only character where this is a problem, so most people don't understand it.

But like macd said, just wait until after you've jumped to input the wavedash direction. I used to have this problem too, and honestly, I still forget sometimes when I switch from another character to Peach.

 

[KirbyKaze]

y are shiek players playing peach?
teczero...kirbykaze... lol

Because she's fun.

 

[john!]

y are shiek players playing peach?
teczero...kirbykaze... lol

I went the opposite direction lol.

 

[Teczer0]

y are shiek players playing peach?
teczero...kirbykaze... lol

Because she's fun.

Pretty much...

I've always kinda played peach though. Just playing her with the intent to get good with her this time ^_^

 

[Quaz]

sheik is boring

 

[Teczer0]

Sheik is hilarious.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[MacD]

i've got the best sheik in idaho, get at me!!!!!!