Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

[tubes]

What about nair OoS? According to the magical hitbox-majig there's only a one frame difference between when nair and uair's hitboxes come out and nair combos into grab. Of course it'd prolly be better to not have to shield in the first place.

Also yea Falcon kick was kinda a bad comparison.

 

[TheManaLord]

ive seen mango and m2k use uair oos tons of times scar!

and you can double jump after 1 uair from a shorthop so that's cool too

 

[JPOBS]

wait, if you can double jump out of a short hop uair, that means you can waveland as well.

scar, i wanna see some crazy *** uair->waveland->**** combos in IKM3, get on that.

 

[Cia]

vanz youre banned from the falcon boards so long as that **** jigglypuff is your icon

???

Does this mean i should take back your birthday present? It's an Army of Jigglypuffs.

 

[MarkLoo]

wait, if you can double jump out of a short hop uair, that means you can waveland as well.

scar, i wanna see some crazy *** uair->waveland->**** combos in IKM3, get on that.

not necessarily... if theyre iasa frames then you can jump after a certain frame but not air dodge.

 

[otg]

Scar, that combo you did to Plank on BF during your tournament set at Shell Shocked might be the best combo I've ever seen.

 

[JPOBS]

not necessarily... if theyre iasa frames then you can jump after a certain frame but not air dodge.

i thought only grounded moves have IASA frames?

 

[Juggleguy]

What is a reliable way to get around Falco's ledge hop double laser? I'm having trouble finding a consistent punish. Sometimes they go high and the first laser is way up there, which seems to catch me if I waveland onto a platform on Battlefield or wherever. And other times both lasers are aligned and... it's just a pain in the *** :\

 

[MarkLoo]

nah i'm sure there's another aerial that you can double jump out of but not waveland, but it slips my mind...

 

[Tomacawk]

What is a reliable way to get around Falco's ledge hop double laser? I'm having trouble finding a consistent punish. Sometimes they go high and the first laser is way up there, which seems to catch me if I waveland onto a platform on Battlefield or wherever. And other times both lasers are aligned and... it's just a pain in the *** :\

full hop anything
dtilt
falcon kick

 

[TresChikon]

Can't you use side+b to get to him?

 

[TheManaLord]

wait, if you can double jump out of a short hop uair, that means you can waveland as well.

scar, i wanna see some crazy *** uair->waveland->**** combos in IKM3, get on that.

its hard i cant try it right now tho i just think i remember it being hard but it really is hard doing stuff with it bc the part of the uair you hit with has weird trajectory im not sure if it can combo really probably just catch off guard

 

[Drecker]

Just jump really high.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

nah you can't waveland out of it. You can jump out of Doc's uair too but not waveland.

You may be able to get off the uair -> double jump -> immediate waveland tho,

 

[Scar]

not even @ frame perfection? i'd assume you can since uair autocancels

OoS your options are aerial, wavedash, roll/dodge, upB, and drop your shield, i think that's all of them. all aerial OoS options are ENTIRELY context dependent, vanz was simply talking about uair OoS vs fox because of his gay fulljump nair shine, which is a fine suggestion and about all CF can do

even if you could uair waveland, shffl uair comes out faster and therefore will combo more easily

fB is still a really bad idea vs falco

otg COME TO SPOC

 

[Aussierob123]

Grab and spot dodge too. .

 

[TemPesT-]

nah you can't waveland out of it. You can jump out of Doc's uair too but not waveland.

You may be able to get off the uair -> double jump -> immediate waveland tho,

young link's (and link?) bair have this same property i'm fairly certain.

 

[P.C. Jona]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOaoaMqnGb0

that might be a brawl video

but it sums up captain falcons life pretty well

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

young link's (and link?) bair have this same property i'm fairly certain.

and marth's bair. its how IASA frames work.

 

[Mokumo]

not even @ frame perfection? i'd assume you can since uair autocancels

OoS your options are aerial, wavedash, roll/dodge, upB, and drop your shield, i think that's all of them. all aerial OoS options are ENTIRELY context dependent, vanz was simply talking about uair OoS vs fox because of his gay fulljump nair shine, which is a fine suggestion and about all CF can do

even if you could uair waveland, shffl uair comes out faster and therefore will combo more easily

fB is still a really bad idea vs falco

otg COME TO SPOC

you forgot shieldgrabbing you n00b.

lol

 

[otg]

otg COME TO SPOC

95% chance I won't be coming, ex-wifey is gonna be in town. ****** > Smash.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

shieldgrabbing works v lhdl
and you get a dropzone setup

 

[Mokumo]

sometimes they might jump too far into the stage though so i don't think it's always a guaranteed dropzone setup.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

i just CC -> jab jab gentleman. its a kill (if you hit them before they get to the ground) and the falco feels really stupid.

 

[TresChikon]

OoS your options are aerial, wavedash, roll/dodge, upB, and drop your shield, i think that's all of them.

Falcon Punch OoS works too. It makes them panic and do something stupid like spotdodge and fail.

 

[JPOBS]

Falcon punch oos lol

the best is falcon punching ganon/peaches ledgeroll get *****

 

[P.C. Jona]

vs lhdl

most of the time i just get hit by it

i think of just jumping over it and stomping but it doesnt work

idk its gay

i would rather just shield and wait far away

 

[Reaver197]

I find that borrowing the darkrain technique of just fsmashing at Falco when he tries to ledgehop -> something works most consistently. Usually, most Falcos jump too high for the first laser on a shorthop, and if you space it right, it'll trade with a dair, which leaves a most unhappy Falco.

 

[Nakamaru]

D-tilt works weirdly well too. Since most falcos aim for your body you can sometimes sneak under their first laser.

 

[Magus420]

"Crouch Cancel" the 1st laser -> Gentleman before the 2nd laser comes out is pretty reliable as long as you time it right.

It's not actually CCable since it doesn't lift you off the floor to cancel the stun with a landing animation by ASDIing downward, but if the 1st hits you the crouching part of it still partially reduces the knockback/stun enough to get the jab off during the lag between the 2 lasers. If they use ledge invincibility properly they are invincible when the 1st laser comes out but vulnerable before the 2nd. You can't do it if you wait until after the 2nd laser hits you.

You can do other stuff like f-smash them before the 1st comes out if they hesitate on the edge before doing it or as they come down with the 2nd if they went way too high on the 1st or something.

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

magus delivers.

 

[P.C. Jona]

yea thanks magus

i thought that the invincibility didnt wear off until after the second laser came out

anyways

if anyone cares to watch

i made a >1 minute combo video mini thing

im bored and i cant sleep so i just did it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrPn4IBIYjY

it might be processing still idk

 

[Mogwai]

yea thanks magus

i thought that the invincibility didnt wear off until after the second laser came out

anyways

if anyone cares to watch

i made a >1 minute combo video mini thing

im bored and i cant sleep so i just did it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrPn4IBIYjY

it might be processing still idk

stay in school

l2inequality

 

[P.C. Jona]

less then one minute ?

i thought pacman eats the bigger one

so >1 = less then one because <1 is pacman eating the 1 so the one is bigger

idk

whatever

lol i havent taken math in 2 years so leave me alone

 

[DtJ Jungle]

urrrgggggg


r u srs

 

[Mogwai]

pacman does eat the bigger one.

hence, when it's < 1, he's eating the 1 (which is the bigger one) meaning the other one is less than 1.

 

[pockyD]

less then one minute ?

i thought pacman eats the bigger one

so >1 = less then one because <1 is pacman eating the 1 so the one is bigger

holy ****

 

[DtJ Jungle]

****in math lesson on the CF boards.

 

[The Irish Mafia]

lol PC learn some math kid

 

[Stratford]

Wow I thought smashers were decent at math.

**** this isn't even math.