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Official BBR Tier List v6

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~ Gheb ~

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Gheb who would you put as Europe's top 5?
Almost impossible to tell tbh.

Ramin, Glut, Deimos, Calzorz, Lp, Orion, Greward, Leon are all up there as contenders imo but only Ramin / Glut are 100% guaranteed.

Edit: I'd rather talk about how Marth totally isn't the 5th best character in the game and how Olimar and ICs are both better than him.

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The only argument you can make for Olimar is one similar to Falco in melee. His options are so good against the rest of the cast on stage it overlooks his weakness offstage.
 

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you know it wasn't me that posted that because i advocate peach being a good character and pj posted a vid of himself. how is that not proof enough that pj was on my account?

also orion don't take my **** talking personal, it's swf. i talk **** all the time online. it's the net. i literally collect infractions (i hit my goal recently and got a peramanent point but didn't get banned).

impressive story tho

anyways i actually agree that ICs are better than marth. hell olimar might be too but im not sure. gotta study him more.
 

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Olimar is so well designed - just when I start to feel like I'm doing unfair things I get tapped offstage and a stock is gone. Also his attacks having weak hurtboxes is ***. He's a little bit too situational to hit top tier w/ falco, snake, diddy, marth.
 

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^^^

Like I have said before, Olimar's Pikmin priority will come back to haunt him every time.
 

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I agree with Diddy, Wolf, Yoshi, Fox, and Ike going up. I disagree with Lucario, Zamus, Toon Link, Rob, Pit, and Ganon's positions.
 

Maharba the Mystic

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ray kalm. i haven't heard anything about in forever. like weren't you the best ganon for a long time? im seriously trying to remember but it's been so long since i've heard anything about you.

where would you like to see those characters whose positions you disagree with?
 

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where would you like to see those characters whose positions you disagree with?
Lucario and Toon Link shouldn't be so high. Zamus is good, but she should drop 2 ranks at the very most. As for Rob and Pit - two of the most underrated characters in the game, I would switch their positions with Lucario and Toon Link. Ike should also gain a few ranks.

Everything else is.. decent.

You're right. Ganondorf should be banned. You are clearly throwing away your chances at winning by using him, which is a Red Card.
He should have his own special tier down below Hyrule.
 

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Lucario and Toon Link shouldn't be so high. Zamus is good, but she should drop 2 ranks at the very most. As for Rob and Pit - two of the most underrated characters in the game, I would switch their positions with Lucario and Toon Link.
For someone who is relevantly proficient with all of toon link's AT's, he has some of the best spacing options of any character, and his worst matchups are only like 40:60, and that's wario falco olimar and snake on certain stages, and that goes up to 45:55 or even arguably 50:50 on other stages for snake and falco.
 

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@Oli talk: According to what Earth told me at Genesis via translator, Olimar is #2 on the Japanese tier list. Just FYI.
 

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So Ryo got 2nd at a Florida tourney 2-0ing anyone that wasn't MK (Nick Riddle being one of those non-mks), lost to Seibrik.


Yah Ike gonna be good with MK banned
 

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Ike is pretty usable vs top tiers. Does very well vs Snake, Wario, Olimar and ICs.

Iono about diddy, but any situation that can get guaranteed Fsmashes sounds dangerous.
 

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So Ryo got 2nd at a Florida tourney 2-0ing anyone that wasn't MK (Nick Riddle being one of those non-mks), lost to Seibrik.
Uhh, no

He beat RedHalberd's Snake 2-1, MVD's Snake 3-2, Nick Riddle may have been 2-0, but I think it was 2-1.

EDIT: Master Raven was 2-1 iirc
 

C.J.

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Well i've been fed false information >:|

still got 2nd thou
This is true, and it was incredible watching it happen. Until He played Seibrik and Seibr1k did MK things and the the hype vanished. Nothing against him, he played to win, good job. Just anti-hype, lmao.
 

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For every character Ike needs to worry about in high tier, there are some things Ike can do to them that the other character really needs to worry about, too.
 

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For every character Ike needs to worry about in high tier, there are some things Ike can do to them that the other character really needs to worry about, too.
pretty sure everyone already worries about jab, san
 

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Ryo currently has better results as San has issues getting to some tournaments.

Both play really well, San still plays a tad better for the moment.
 

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I suck. :(



... How is DDD related to this?
DDD is still bad, and ZSS has a better MU vs. DDD than Ike.
:laugh:

Cause of some of you smashboards guys saying D3 is bad (A lot of zss mains saying it).

So what if zss has a better matchup than a mid tier. Doesn't mean anything. D3 has a better Wario, Lucario, Snake, Marth, Peach, and Wolf matchup than Zss.

If D3 is bad, then why is he high tier and RIGHT ABOVE Zero Suit? :p
 

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When you say 'a lot of ZSS mains' say that Dedede sucks, are you talking about anyone other than me? XD

And you still have yet to clarify how a ZSS losing to Ike has anything to do with Dedede being bad.
 
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