Official BBR Matchup Chart v1.0

[fkacyan]

Most of my posts are one line responses.

 

[Alphicans]

Lol yeah I play the game, I just live in western Canada so no one knows who I am.

 

[etecoon]

wasn't aimed at everyone listed, that's just everyone who has more than 30 posts in this topic

 

[-Mars-]

yeah, this is why people get gimped nearly every stock in tournament against good MK's, it requires them to mess up for you to ever recover!

have any of the people that live in this thread ever actually played this game?

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30+ posts in this thread

Steam 69
Maharba the Mystic 66
Red Ryu 58
da K.I.D. 56
Chuee 52
Alphicans 51
Thiocyanide 47
Spelt 43
zak 43
-Mars- 34
Matador 32

it's like a who's who of super theory bros.

I'm gonna need you to look at my post very closely again. Do you see the word gimp in my post?

No?

K.

stfu.

You can make it back to the stage after getting hit a few times against MK. The point was that there aren't many characters that can recover SAFELY against MK.

 

[Z'zgashi]

At least its not as many posts as I have in the tier list discussion thread...

 

[etecoon]

risky is not the same as

everyone else just kinda has to hope the MK player guesses wrong or messes up.

literally saying that MK should be gimping or tacking on extra damage every time the opponent goes off stage unless they do something wrong.

not to say that MK's edge guarding isn't amazing, but it's POTENTIAL like 80% of the time. very little is guaranteed off stage, especially considering MK's relatively poor horizontal air speed, a lot of times he simply isn't going to get a good angle fast enough.

MK does have a lot of guaranteed ledge traps though, but that's peoples get up options not their recovery being exploited

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I kinda need to watch this thread being a mod of the place. :/

 

[Z'zgashi]

^cool story bro

 

[Spelt]

I strive to be number 1 in this thread too!
I'm gonna out theorycraft all y'all *****es.
get at me

 

[phi1ny3]

>statistics
>this matchup chart

You just went full ******, bro, NEVER go full ******

O
M
G

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svwGRJA28lY

I WISH Lee used Lucario against me at Apex pools.

You couldn't beat the Trela Flash:

What makes you think you can defeat the Baptist King Bible Man?

 

[VibeSlyph]

Personally, I think I'll do everything in my power to ensure Pikachu is below Peach in future tier lists.

I approve.

 

[Orion*]

All space animals are amazing versus Metaknight.

I kinda agree with this but I think I may also just not like the MUs.

Pikachu is top 5 or 6 in this game, he's way too good not to be. I mean, what ARE Pikachu's flaws exactly? Range? vs who, like Marth?

Weight is so important. That ***** dies to like nothing ROFL

Wolf can recover fine vs MK as long as you know when to use your djump.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMOXaoKrYtQ#t=4m23s

wasn't aimed at everyone listed, that's just everyone who has more than 30 posts in this topic

The rest of us are you know, Practicing

^cool story bro

Real talk, No Johns

 

[_Kain_]

He lost his dbl jump in the nado and didn't know. Wudn't say that death is related to a poor recovery. 2nd death wud of been a better example imo but then again I cud say he made the mistake of dbl jumping away from the stage when he should of just jumped back on

 

[da K.I.D.]

pikachu actually is really good at surviving since he has one of the best momentum cancels in the game, and he also has one of the best recoveries on top of that.

also depends on your character, he will pretty much never die if you have to hit him across the stage.

 

[Orion*]

He lost his dbl jump in the nado and didn't know. Wudn't say that death is related to a poor recovery. 2nd death wud of been a better example imo but then again I cud say he made the mistake of dbl jumping away from the stage when he should of just jumped back on

I know.

I just like watching that whenever I feel blue

 

[_Kain_]

I know.

I just like watching that whenever I feel blue

LOOOOOOOOOOL

Excellent reason then

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

wow. i didn't know i had that many posts here. that's kinda meh

WHOOOOBOOOO HYPE!!!

it's happenin tomorrow! and there will be pit and lucario presence so we will see how this whole thing goes ryu. afterwords we can have our discussion

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

pikachu actually is really good at surviving since he has one of the best momentum cancels in the game, and he also has one of the best recoveries on top of that.

also depends on your character, he will pretty much never die if you have to hit him across the stage.

Yeah Orion like, I agree with you a lot but this is just wrong, Pikachu is a pain to kill horizontally and not super light vertically either. Uair+sideb = pikachu lives to 150 pretty often.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

@supermodelfromparis

i agree. pika is a real pain to kill sometimes. he's in my top 5 recover-ers list

 

[Alphicans]

Pika probably has the 3rd best recovery after GaW then MK.

 

[Brawlin]

Yeah Orion like, I agree with you a lot but this is just wrong, Pikachu is a pain to kill horizontally and not super light vertically either. Uair+sideb = pikachu lives to 150 pretty often.

Vertically Pika is the same weight as Peach, so hes not that heavy vertically.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Peach doesn't have Pikachu's disgusting uair momentum cancel though

 

[Brawlin]

Peach doesn't have Pikachu's disgusting uair momentum cancel though

Yea true. Her uair is good for momentum cancelling,though, but not as good as Pika's.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Pika probably has the 3rd best recovery after GaW then MK.

GW does NOT have the second best recovery. Pika/ROB/Sonic/Jiggs are better for sure, and possibly even Luigi/Peach/Yoshi/Wario/Samus/Pit/Lucas/Snake

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Lucas' recovery ain't all that. I've yet to see any Lucas main really use his extra recovery tools to any great effect. I guess it's better than Ness' just because he has two extra options off-stage, but yeah. Luigi's recovery is pretty bootylicious, too. It covers a lot of distance but is really easy to harass. Same for Peach Snake and ROB. Yoshi's is pretty good situationally but is really bad if his second jump doesn't do the job. Samus has pretty great recovery and I'm surprised people don't talk about that much, so good on you for bringing that to light. Pit's should suck but you don't see people abusing it like they should, so meh.

If you want to be honest, recoveries in this game are generally more about safety and less about distance covered IMO. That's why Link's isn't really as bad as people say it is (bad, but there are worse IMO) and recoveries like Falco's are underrated too, while like, Luigi's isn't that great. So in general, you want recoveries with a lot of options, and not really recoveries that just come back from anywhere.

Incidentally I think Captain Falcon's recovery is pretty underrated. It doesn't cover a ton of distance or anything but the command grab portion of it makes it a little safer and it tends to come back from places a lot of other characters can't (lower and outer quadrants) which makes him a little less instadead after a semispike.

In terms of recovery it's like, MK then Pikachu. GaW's is pretty good, it's hard to stop him from coming back and harder to gimp him. Sonic has pretty fantastic recovery, too. Wario's up there. And Toon Link.

 

[Lokinario]

Why's Toon Link's recovery better than Link's?

 

[Alphicans]

GW does NOT have the second best recovery. Pika/ROB/Sonic/Jiggs are better for sure, and possibly even Luigi/Peach/Yoshi/Wario/Samus/Pit/Lucas/Snake

I am not sure if this is serious or not.

I really hope not.

Suggesting that peach, yoshi, snake, jiggs, ROB, sonic, luigi and wario has a better recovery is ridiculous.

Pikachu MIGHT have a better one.... Maybe.

God, especially snake and ROB. Those are terrible.

 

[da K.I.D.]

GW does NOT have the second best recovery. Pika/ROB/Sonic/Jiggs are better for sure, and possibly even Luigi/Peach/Yoshi/Wario/Samus/Pit/Lucas/Snake

rofl no.
when I think BEST recovery, Im thinking SAFETY and DISTANCE.

MK? kid has a glide, 5 jumps and 4 recovery moves. and stupid levels of priority on all his moves while offstage.

Game and watch. he has good air speed, his bair and fair are great at detering gimp attempts, he has the bucket brake which give him more chances to recover, and lets him turn around in mid air. and none of that is even the best part, when he up bs he snaps to the ledge with one single frame of vulnerability. the only thing that keeps his recovery from being better than mks imo, is that he cant hit you with the parachute after he up bs.

nobody is touching those 2 when it comes to getting back on stage when they are knocked off.

Sonics recovery probably covers the greatest distance of any character that cant glide or is rob. but spindash has a terrible hitbox so he gets hit out of it for free, and the fact that as of yet we havent found a way to make his up b snap to the ledge on command, thats a huge liability. massive distance, not so great on the safeness.

pikachus is better than sonics imo. he can side b in the air multiple times, which sonic cant. his up air kills pretty much any attempt to gimp him from on top of him, skullbash actually moves quick enough to make it hard to react to. has a pretty good hit box, and stays active for days so it outlasts ledge invincibility. only issues are that if you go from under him, his only deterents are fast fall dair/airdodge (which actually put him below the ledge, which is where he wants to be) or t jolt. and his side b follows a set path, after release, since he cant jump out of it like sonic can.

ROB as we all know cant airdodge during his up b with out attacking first, so that alone makes it less safe that g watch.

puffs recovery is really good, and with her ability to change direction in the air, also very safe, but she cant snap to the ledge, with out putting herself in range of most characters attacks. other than that i cant really say anything bad about it, other than maybe her aerials arent quite big enough to avoid gimps sometimes.

the other ones should be obvious why they arent nearly as good as GW, but if you need me to explain those too, i will.

 

[Yikarur]

wrong thread =D

 

[Max Ketchum]

I'm actually very pleased with how good the devs made Sonic's recovery.

imo:

1. MK
2. Pikachu/GW
4. Sonic/Wario
5. ROB

 

[Scatz]

GW does NOT have the second best recovery. Pika/ROB/Sonic/Jiggs are better for sure, and possibly even Luigi/Peach/Yoshi/Wario/Samus/Pit/Lucas/Snake

You might need a re-evaluation on recovery then. Only Pika is arguably better than any of those you stated.

 

[Steam]

yeah.... I dunno but having an invincible upB makes your recovery pretty damn safe.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Europe > USA because every US Guy that ever entered a european tournament didn't win

wrong thread homie, i think you meant to post that in the tier list thread. lol. its all good though, i do it too sometimes.

also, I never made the claim that US is far and away better than Europe, so you might not even be wrong on that.

I'm actually very pleased with how good the devs made Sonic's recovery.

imo:

1. MK
2. Pikachu/GW
4. Sonic/Wario
5. ROB

me too, since everything else he has sans ground speed is madd average.

yeah.... I dunno but having an invincible upB (that snaps to the ledge) makes your recovery pretty damn safe.

fixed for sonic justice.

 

[Yikarur]

Yeah I realized it when I searched my post in the other thread =.=
but both Topics have the same beginning "Official BBR ..."
it's confusing sometimes because I use email notification to keep up with this board lol

 

[Lenus Altair]

I'm actually very pleased with how good the devs made Sonic's recovery.

imo:

1. MK
2. Pikachu/GW
4. Sonic/Wario
5. ROB

I'd agree except I'd say Pit is better then Rob.

 

[BSP]

I'm actually very pleased with how good the devs made Sonic's recovery.

imo:

1. MK
2. Pikachu/GW
4. Sonic/Wario
5. ROB

I really wished he snapped to the ledge with up B though. Like KID said, that cuts the safety a bit. Actually, if Wario's got his bike and fart ready, I'd say it edges over sonic's due to the added safety.

It's funny how the character originally called Jumpman has one of the shortest recoveries in the game lol

 

[Judo777]

I'm actually very pleased with how good the devs made Sonic's recovery.

imo:

1. MK
2. Pikachu/GW
4. Sonic/Wario
5. ROB

Yea i agree. Funny thing is the best i have come up with for gimping sonics recovery is trying to grab him lol. Also robs is better than pits. Pit is actually reasonably gimpable, robs is just too risky/take forever. Then again im a sheik main and am biased.

 

[Browny]

>_<

There really is no excuse for a sonic getting grabbed from his recovery.

Really, it is as much a weakness as it is pikachu accidentally using skull bash in the wrong direction and aiming into the blast zones. It should NEVER happen when he can airdodge before invincibility wears off, the only time you grabbed him was because he tried something fancy under the stage.

 

[Ussi]

AD isn't fool proof... like... you can get hit out of it if you always AD after Up B... especially if if the move out ranges Sonic's aerials to boot.


though both attacking and AD should beat anyone trying to grab Sonic o-o;; yeh yeh

 

[Z'zgashi]

>_<

There really is no excuse for a sonic getting grabbed from his recovery.

Really, it is as much a weakness as it is pikachu accidentally using skull bash in the wrong direction and aiming into the blast zones. It should NEVER happen when he can airdodge before invincibility wears off, the only time you grabbed him was because he tried something fancy under the stage.

This. Out of every match I've played against X over the last 2-3 months, I believe I've grabbed him out of up b once, and I can do that from anywhere onstage.