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Good stuff Mogwai.
Ussi
Smash Legend
MOGWAI TELL THEM TO BUFF LULU
And riot game house? I hope you all main different positions lolol
Well, Janook mains mid, but I'm unsure of what anyone else in the apartment mains.
Okuser
Smash Ace
what does a QA analyst do.
I wanna be on live design or whoever is over balancing the game.
I wanna be on live design or whoever is over balancing the game.
Leacero
Smash Lord
CONGRATS, now have them make a corgi corki skin.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Jesus man, congrats.
He's been the undisputed best in every scene for a while. Pretty much right after PFE, people discovered "w max is really really good" and suddenly he switches from "never played" to being in almost every game he's not banned.
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I figure this is relevant to the ez discussion
That's the picks/bans for worlds btw
I figure this is relevant to the ez discussion
That's the picks/bans for worlds btw
Duo queuing with nolan... and voyboy + spellsy wut?
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adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
lol, you just had a spellsy game
Ez undeniably best range ad carry for so long?
Damn people are so prone to forgetting Graves' win rates and Corki's much better performance at high level before they did the ol scaling nerfs.
AD carries are very very hard to balance, a +1 here (or even a 0.1 per level or something) is the difference between a super strong ranged carry everyone says is 'undeniably the best ranged carry' or **** tier unusable. Not too many people would have even been here during the days in which Corki was the undeniably best ranged carry in the game for something like 8 months while every other ranged carry was ****-tier except Ashe (every other ad carry: kog, MF, ezreal, twitch [all considered high tier characters w/corki until they all were massacred while corki was barely touched]).
Corki dropped in significant usage by a -10 damage (or -20?) on q and the removal of the blind (also some other minor damage adjustments). Back then I thought it was a ****ty wrist slap, but the effect was actually monstrous.
When Corki/Graves/Ez were at their peaks they did "wrist slaps" to graves and imo a big cut to Corki. While Ez was given a mystic shot buff (which I love, because I'm maxing out Q again and this character is just a lot more enjoyable to me that way) and a minor usability nerf.
Ezreal also fits better in the meta for a few reasons:
1. Bloodthirster usage (due to better tower pushing meta **** + its stacking mechanic buff): Ez was considered so-so for a long time because BT was considered his best BF sword upgrade but he'd always fall short in damage to IE getting carries (and honestly, still would, but meta meta meta meta). Yes, make the true AD carry damage item that has poor synergy on Ezreal compared to other ranged carries obsolete and make the only viable build for any ranged carry the one which works with Ezreal the best. Yeah, back in the day when Sheen/Brutalizer was the Ezreal build you would see many ad carries get brutalizer, so I do accept that it's a two way street.
2. Attack speed ****: Every new character has auto attack things, and nearly every new character is 'generally' stronger than the older ones. Riot's game and item design was more balanced with a smaller cast. Attack speed reductions are abundant on mobile and/or tanky characters and they **** 40% or more of the enemy team every game (often 60% or sometimes 80%). Frozen Heart is ridiculous on everyone. What's more balanced? Alternative burst characters (old ranged carry balance / various bruisers) or slightly more balanced mid to high tier characters who force a tippity-top tier to exist who destroy them all as they rely too much on auto attacks?
Attack speed reductions have close to no counters and are stupendously more destructive now than they were in the past (you don't think we've dealt with Gragas and Malphite with heart + randuins before?)
3. Lane Mechanics: They've nerfed sustain a lot. The burstier characters came out on top. The pokier characters came out on top. Janna and Soraka were good against Ezreal.
4. Role balances: AP Carries been nerfed countless times and they were the AD carry killers (or they were meant to be in a game of tank > mage > carry > tank). If Ezreal doesn't die in one burst he's likely to get away. AP carries being weaker in damage, utility and late game strength eventually has its effects. Many a bruiser used to **** on Ez too but W didn't used to be that effective (mana reduction, length of debuff increased, cooldown decreased and aforementioned rebalances around auto attacks to many characters). Assassins were nerfed too (there are no viable assassins left other than rengar... lol) (I think Eve works too, but this nagging feeling of her needing to be a laner and being melee etc)
Team fighting wise, Ezreal is a beast: in terms of mobile carry scaling, even in his low points I knew that if I had a Triforce, bloodthirster and high CDR I would never die and be a complete ****ing *******/menace. I'm sure mogwai remembers DAT FEELING. But Ezreal used to struggle more in lane as mana is a *****. It was very easy to snowball against Ezreal in lane back in the day. His high base damages fell to his mediocre scaling on them so rapidly it was sad. However, all the things Ezreal had now that people are *****ing about are what he's always had, and good players used them but they were just weaker in effectiveness.
If they removed Ezreal's attack speed reduction on W and nothing else, I would bet that he would be close to "bottom tier" like before (when he wasn't 'bottom tier' just other carries were slightly better in the maths and more suited to the meta) in people's minds. If they unbuffed his base damages (ad per level / hp / attack speed) he would be Ashe level at best and bottom tier at worst.
I generally feel a character who is just 1% better than their cohort will statistically snowball in usage / dominance / perception of being overpowered. A character who was once in that state is now 1% worst will stay popular / have the same perception for a lot longer than actuality defines. Balance in the game takes time to have its true effects. Ezreal is/probably the best ad carry but anything but precise changes will just alter the meta towards something else (or he will retain usage due to attack speed reductions being dumb) or he'll just be nerfed again because the 'new meta' wasn't found yet.
At nearly every stage of this game's existence there has always been a "Best ranged carry" and Ashe. Right now though I'm not even sure if Ashe exists, every character having an aa reset means ashe is getting hit twice instead of only once before maybe being able to get away, plus she's even harder to babysit now than before. The best ranged carry wasn't always on the winning team. And that "best" ranged carry has suddenly never been seen again many times before with only slight nerfs.
Damn people are so prone to forgetting Graves' win rates and Corki's much better performance at high level before they did the ol scaling nerfs.
AD carries are very very hard to balance, a +1 here (or even a 0.1 per level or something) is the difference between a super strong ranged carry everyone says is 'undeniably the best ranged carry' or **** tier unusable. Not too many people would have even been here during the days in which Corki was the undeniably best ranged carry in the game for something like 8 months while every other ranged carry was ****-tier except Ashe (every other ad carry: kog, MF, ezreal, twitch [all considered high tier characters w/corki until they all were massacred while corki was barely touched]).
Corki dropped in significant usage by a -10 damage (or -20?) on q and the removal of the blind (also some other minor damage adjustments). Back then I thought it was a ****ty wrist slap, but the effect was actually monstrous.
When Corki/Graves/Ez were at their peaks they did "wrist slaps" to graves and imo a big cut to Corki. While Ez was given a mystic shot buff (which I love, because I'm maxing out Q again and this character is just a lot more enjoyable to me that way) and a minor usability nerf.
Ezreal also fits better in the meta for a few reasons:
1. Bloodthirster usage (due to better tower pushing meta **** + its stacking mechanic buff): Ez was considered so-so for a long time because BT was considered his best BF sword upgrade but he'd always fall short in damage to IE getting carries (and honestly, still would, but meta meta meta meta). Yes, make the true AD carry damage item that has poor synergy on Ezreal compared to other ranged carries obsolete and make the only viable build for any ranged carry the one which works with Ezreal the best. Yeah, back in the day when Sheen/Brutalizer was the Ezreal build you would see many ad carries get brutalizer, so I do accept that it's a two way street.
2. Attack speed ****: Every new character has auto attack things, and nearly every new character is 'generally' stronger than the older ones. Riot's game and item design was more balanced with a smaller cast. Attack speed reductions are abundant on mobile and/or tanky characters and they **** 40% or more of the enemy team every game (often 60% or sometimes 80%). Frozen Heart is ridiculous on everyone. What's more balanced? Alternative burst characters (old ranged carry balance / various bruisers) or slightly more balanced mid to high tier characters who force a tippity-top tier to exist who destroy them all as they rely too much on auto attacks?
Attack speed reductions have close to no counters and are stupendously more destructive now than they were in the past (you don't think we've dealt with Gragas and Malphite with heart + randuins before?)
3. Lane Mechanics: They've nerfed sustain a lot. The burstier characters came out on top. The pokier characters came out on top. Janna and Soraka were good against Ezreal.
4. Role balances: AP Carries been nerfed countless times and they were the AD carry killers (or they were meant to be in a game of tank > mage > carry > tank). If Ezreal doesn't die in one burst he's likely to get away. AP carries being weaker in damage, utility and late game strength eventually has its effects. Many a bruiser used to **** on Ez too but W didn't used to be that effective (mana reduction, length of debuff increased, cooldown decreased and aforementioned rebalances around auto attacks to many characters). Assassins were nerfed too (there are no viable assassins left other than rengar... lol) (I think Eve works too, but this nagging feeling of her needing to be a laner and being melee etc)
Team fighting wise, Ezreal is a beast: in terms of mobile carry scaling, even in his low points I knew that if I had a Triforce, bloodthirster and high CDR I would never die and be a complete ****ing *******/menace. I'm sure mogwai remembers DAT FEELING. But Ezreal used to struggle more in lane as mana is a *****. It was very easy to snowball against Ezreal in lane back in the day. His high base damages fell to his mediocre scaling on them so rapidly it was sad. However, all the things Ezreal had now that people are *****ing about are what he's always had, and good players used them but they were just weaker in effectiveness.
If they removed Ezreal's attack speed reduction on W and nothing else, I would bet that he would be close to "bottom tier" like before (when he wasn't 'bottom tier' just other carries were slightly better in the maths and more suited to the meta) in people's minds. If they unbuffed his base damages (ad per level / hp / attack speed) he would be Ashe level at best and bottom tier at worst.
I generally feel a character who is just 1% better than their cohort will statistically snowball in usage / dominance / perception of being overpowered. A character who was once in that state is now 1% worst will stay popular / have the same perception for a lot longer than actuality defines. Balance in the game takes time to have its true effects. Ezreal is/probably the best ad carry but anything but precise changes will just alter the meta towards something else (or he will retain usage due to attack speed reductions being dumb) or he'll just be nerfed again because the 'new meta' wasn't found yet.
At nearly every stage of this game's existence there has always been a "Best ranged carry" and Ashe. Right now though I'm not even sure if Ashe exists, every character having an aa reset means ashe is getting hit twice instead of only once before maybe being able to get away, plus she's even harder to babysit now than before. The best ranged carry wasn't always on the winning team. And that "best" ranged carry has suddenly never been seen again many times before with only slight nerfs.
SHAYA
DO YOU PLAY LEAGUE OF LEGENDS?!
ADD ME.
"Aerodrome2" pls
DO YOU PLAY LEAGUE OF LEGENDS?!
ADD ME.
"Aerodrome2" pls
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Mogwai da bess.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
I don't think what you're advertising has anything to do with why people aren't being that receptive.
Phantom Gamer
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Congrats to ya Mogwai.
Mota
"The snake, knowing itself, strikes swiftly"
Pfft Ez graphs got nuttin' on MK graphs.http://i.imgur.com/ydPBC.png
I figure this is relevant to the ez discussion
That's the picks/bans for worlds btw
Let the meta evolve, maybe find a counter...oneday. Lrn2play MU scrubz.
In all seriousness, something has to be done about his free iFlash 2.0.
Also Eve is a now a nightmare. Classic Riot <3
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30242389#post30242389
Mastery changes again, wonder what it'll be this time.
Mastery changes again, wonder what it'll be this time.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Well dang. Wonder if it'll be drastic or minor tweaks.
Jazriel
Smash Ace
Dat crit mastery.
Pikaville
Pikaville returns 10 years later.
They said a small change, so I'm guessing it won't be drastic at all.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Twitch is a strong ranged carry and people just don't know it yet.
I'm only half joking btw.
I'm only half joking btw.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
I saw your name in my user cp and got really hyped for another cheesy video. Sad face.
yo ad lulu mad legit
Ussi
Smash Legend
How does one play ad lulu?.. Like what level up first and masteries..
Vyke
Smash Champion
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
He's better then tris and vayne in solo queue, that's for sure.
Something about having decent trading in lane and actually doing damage midgame.
ToferTheHuman
Hii
Congrats Mogwai!
Lovage
Smash Hero
take out passive lifesteal so creep damage matters
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
U think he's a stronger pick than vayne?
Vyke
Smash Champion
Both Ezreals in World's Finals maxed Q over W. Just something to note on those W nerfs being somewhat effective.
Okuser
Smash Ace
#ujelly
apparently lolking is coming out with guides
also I love watching my friends on stream
Vyke
Smash Champion
All Lolking needs to do is take over working on riot's lobby client and I'll be a happy camper.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Solo queue, hell yea. Vayne's laning phase is abysmal. Twitch can actually win trades in lane.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
So she requires early coordination from her jungler to help her snowball cuz she can't really do it well on her own?
About to buy her so that's why i'm asking this stuff lol.
Edit: Actually i'm deciding between vayne and rengar...still deciding. Rengar is banned so often so i'm not sure...