zelda/sheik will have the highest bump
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If I announce said plan to a large group of people then you can rest assured that, even if everything else goes awry, that one plan is going to see fruition.Yeah, the schedule is only an estimate. Think about it... Does everything you ever plan ahead in life work out just like you planned it?
That's all nice, but the reality of the fact is that life isn't as good as we wish it to be. Eventually, even schedules will have problems being done on time, and it always happens everywhere. Granted, when a tier list is 6 months overdue, there's obviously a very wrong problem, but this time the estimation was made, and so far there's been no reasons to doubt its completion before the estimation deadline (sep30).If I announce said plan to a large group of people then you can rest assured that, even if everything else goes awry, that one plan is going to see fruition.
This isn't Life Skills 101 but as a general rule reliability is a very solid trait for anyone to have. It's useful in all echelons of life from the high (international diplomacy) to the low (drug deals).
Good thing to keep in mind, anyway. Knowledge and power mean nothing if there's no reliability backing it up.
Yeah, that argument might mean anything if making the list involved effort. Is there any other cause of delay besides people simply waiting too long before casting votes/making posts on the matter? I find it extremely hard to believe that it takes people weeks on end to make up their mind.
This is probably the worst and least professional excuse for being late.Think about it... Does everything you ever plan ahead in life work out just like you planned it?
Yeah, I felt that would've been the reasonable/presumed time to release the list. Then again, I guess we're kinda conditioned by the looooong wait between the third and fourth list lol (at least it felt rather long).I didn't tell him to say that
Neither did the BR
As far as I am aware
This tier list might have come out a bit fast (not creation time wise but time gap from last list to this one). I actually thought we were gonna release one after the MLG season was over.
*Inserts joke about Congress/other legislative-ish forms of government*Yeah, that argument might mean anything if making the list involved effort. Is there any other cause of delay besides people simply waiting too long before casting votes/making posts on the matter? I find it extremely hard to believe that it takes people weeks on end to make up their mind.
He did mention that there was a small chance hed go MK when we teamed for a doubles tourney....niddo mad because he's finally coming to the realization that once san drops ike for a good character, the mediocre ike mains will follow and ike will go back to his deserved tier position.
I approve of and cosign to this post.Why rush the list and get meaningless flamewars of people whining about how badly a character is placed, when you can put as much time as needed into it and make a list that the majority can agree on for the time being (Course there will always be people disagreeing, and thats ok in healthy, respectable amounts) because thats how a community grows by discussing their knowledge about their respective characters and figuring them out as a team by intellectual debating. Because isn't the point of a tier list to best accuratly depict each character's abillities as pinpoint accurate as humanly possible? With a thriving competitive gaming community and a group of well respected chosen members with utmost knowlege about the game? Don't shove out a mediocre list if your brain indicates it is mediocre, shove out the best list possible at the time thats up to date with the ever growing metagame, until it changes again and new adjustments can be made. It's better to have one good list then send out multiple bad lists with a quick pace. Like school assignments, the teacher would rather see one good assignment then a bunch of ****tty rushed ones. But with each tier list we get closer and closer to the list where as much people as possible can rejoice at the glory of a cherished list we can all bow to and respect as the beacon of who's top knock in competitive gaming.
good ol' kewkky, "being in the BBR"
Unfortunately, due to the fact that brawl isnt exactly a big fighting game and that it has so many characters, it only takes 1 person to send the tournament results of any given character through the roof. Its accurate for the top and high tiers but once you get to mid tier, one top player switching their mid tier main to another mid tier main could see a complete reversal in averaging tournament placings, a difference in 10 entire placings on the tier list doesnt seem unlikely.you've got to be [bleeping] kidding right? hmm, well it doesn't necessarily make it a wrong thing to use. For example, at any given moment, the tier list could be dis-proven because of player variations and character variations. A noob with MK losing to a very good captain falcon, so delegation is necessary but the tournament results should STRONGLY affect the tier list, not just slightly... I'm 50/50 with it all.. that's kind of annoying though..
- then again, what noob in a tournament would make it to the final round... the tier list should be based off of tournament results, all tournies... not just MLG or biggies.. give everyone a chance to affect that list, make it something the community develops instead of hoping for change
Oh cool its BBR admission bashing time again! lemme join youIt's funny how when some people get admitted into the BBR they get so proud that they find ways to talk about it all of the time.
"Well I can't really say anything about.... But I'm gonna wave it in your face, just in case you didn't know, YEAH IM BBR!!!
I was not aware that Mr.Doom was a "mediocre" Ike. Or the other Ikes that place well. And why would San drop a character he's perfectly confirmable with, and is placing extremely well with, for a character that is better on paper, but might not do as well with in reality? lol.niddo mad because he's finally coming to the realization that once san drops ike for a good character, the mediocre ike mains will follow and ike will go back to his deserved tier position.
It is true though, most things don't go as planned.This is probably the worst and least professional excuse for being late.
Wow guys.
Yeah, so when we get PAYED to be in the BBR, we'll make **** sure to prioritize it over everything else in life. Until then, we'll prioritize quality of the list over a small setback of a few days, since there's absolutely no "urgency" to a tier list's existence anyway.This is probably the worst and least professional excuse for being late.
Wow guys.
You guys haven't gotten your checks yet?Yeah, so when we get PAYED to be in the BBR, we'll make **** sure to prioritize it over everything else in life. Until then, we'll prioritize quality of the list over a small setback of a few days, since there's absolutely no "urgency" to a tier list's existence anyway.
The list is almost done, we're just finalizing a few small things. Chill out.
?!?!?!?! Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...You guys haven't gotten your checks yet?
Um, no?Unfortunately, due to the fact that brawl isnt exactly a big fighting game and that it has so many characters, it only takes 1 person to send the tournament results of any given character through the roof. Its accurate for the top and high tiers but once you get to mid tier, one top player switching their mid tier main to another mid tier main could see a complete reversal in averaging tournament placings, a difference in 10 entire placings on the tier list doesnt seem unlikely.
*offers some salt to your hate*Oh cool its BBR admission bashing time again! lemme join you
hate hate hate
No, Falcon wouldn't be above Sonic even with that logic. You should probably take a closer look at Sonic's results.Um, no?
One person doing well with the character would not justify the character moving up in the tierlist.
It can be many things, simply taking advantage of the lack of matchup knowledge, the layer being extremely skilled, or a fluke. It does need to be replicated to show that the character truly is viable and has the actual potential to move up in the list.
Otherwise, Captain Falcon should be above Sonic.
I completely agree with this statement. Bolded in particular. I can see exactly why you wouldn't want to use just one person for a rise in the list. But when that one person is doing extremely well time after time (see the poster I quoted), it's justifiable. And I think that'll show in results (for Ike in particular).BBR is merely meeting my expectations right now. BBR has never been known to be very organized or quick to do anything, so I'd rather they take their time, especially to make an adequate v5 topic, detailing processes and general FAQ or something.
It IS true that for most characters especially mid tier and below, 1 or 2 people make up an overwhelming majority of tournament results for a character.
1 Person doing well is pretty much the basis for most characters going up as far from what I notice. Most other times, BBR realize how wrong they are (most blatant example Pit). If Koolaid placed better/really really good at the recent regionals/nationals he's been to, people would say their reasoning was justified, even if he's pretty much the only Pit besides 1 or 2 others that people look to (aka 1/few people for a character). Removing the top players of a character from the equation only looks to see how mediocre mediocre players of a character do compared to other mediocre players, especially when a character isn't too popular.
Especially when looking at doing well in regionals/nationals compared to just being a local hero.
... was it not obvious enough?Um, no?
One person doing well with the character would not justify the character moving up in the tierlist.
It can be many things, simply taking advantage of the lack of matchup knowledge, the layer being extremely skilled, or a fluke. It does need to be replicated to show that the character truly is viable and has the actual potential to move up in the list.
Otherwise, Captain Falcon should be above Sonic.
Are you calling me a liar? Is life not like this? Face the truth, almost every schedule in life has a setback. Is it so hard to imagine that the BBR has setbacks too? And like Mike said, being a BBR member is not a profession, it is simply a group of people who are devoted to guiding the competitive scene. A group, not a profession, so rules of professionalism don't adhere to us. With that said, being professional is always a must, but if things happen and we can't follow our schedules, you can't blame it on us on account of "not being professional", and that you have no idea what happens in there.This is probably the worst and least professional excuse for being late.
Wow guys.
Tell me what else to say and it shall be what I tell you guys. I don't say it to show off, I say it because if I go past that line, I will be leaking information, and know what? In the BBR they kick you for that, in the mod community they de-mod you for that, and in SWF they ban you for that. Are you saying you want me to do this so you can have momentary satisfaction by knowing what goes on in the BBR? Instead of letting out your troll personality, why don't you get smarter and apply for the BBR? I am quite sure that if you get accepted, you will know everything you want to know about the BBR.It's funny how when some people get admitted into the BBR they get so proud that they find ways to talk about it all of the time.
"Well I can't really say anything about.... But I'm gonna wave it in your face, just in case you didn't know, YEAH IM BBR!!!
Refer to the above, except the last part.good ol' kewkky, "being in the BBR"
Like I said before, every post by any BBR member is simply a personal opinion unless he says "BBR Approved" beforehand. Maybe that's just his way of not saying anything unnecessary.But really guys, you guys should show urgency to something you enjoy, that being brawl. You guys are in the brawl backroom but you guys don't have a sense of urgency apparently (going by what mMm said).
We're trying to improve the quality of the BBR. I can tell you this: those BBR bash topics really did have an effect, and we really did read them and took feedback from them... But changes don't just happen without people knowing, fluctuations in stabilized systems need time to reach another stable state, and before that happens, influences upon that system have to be constant, or stop completely (in this case, finish).granted, i don't care when the tier list comes out, I'm going to play anyways . I just think if you guys really aren't trying, then you guys should be trying harder. Really work to meet those deadlines!
I personally think that part shows that there are things going on. If I said nothing, then the thought of us 'just being lazy because nothing ever happens in there' would be an option for our tardiness too. If I say something like "I wish I could speak", then it shows that there's stuff I could say to back up my statement, but I don't want to say anything in specific or else I'll be punished for it... It kind of like putting a blanket over a hole, people not noticing there's a hole there, then someone who knows about it grabs someone by the hand and makes them touch the part where there's a hole, but doesn't show it to them. People would say "oh someone put a blanket on the floor", but the one who touched around the area would say "it's because they're hiding a hole".Kewkky... he's not saying post what is going on in the least. He's saying, in the next post leave out the sentence "I really wish I could tell you guys blah blah." That part is unnecessary, and is what irks him. You brought up the point that you were in the BR for no reason other to say that you can't talk about it. If you left the entire post as it was, and removed the very last sentence from it, he wouldn't have had issue.
malcolmmm*in the immortal words of coney, "Chill bro! just chill."
hmmmmmmmmmmSection 4- Schedule
The following schedule is what the BBR shall do for the rest of the year.
Around September 15: Tier List Update
Around September 16: New Member Admission threads created
Around October 15: New Members Admitted
Ah! There it is! ...But why is this crucial bit of information hidden in an non-sticky thread that's no longer even relevant? (character discussions have been finished for some time). Before reading this I was under the impression that the tier list was intended to be out on the 15th and was pushed back to the 20th... and from reading this thread it looks like I wasn't the only one confused.TheMike said:Note: You all should expect the 5th Official Brawl Back Room Tier List between September 20th and the end of the same month.