I think this is all utterly ridiculous. All of you people are debating endlessly with OS... but for what? Since OS has run the first circuit, we've had problems with his arbitrary rules and his manner of dealing with the community in general. RUN A NEW CIRCUIT THAT IS NOT RUN BY OS, AND JUST ASK TOs WHO WERE PART OF HIS TO BECOME PART OF YOURS. That is IT. Thats the ONLY way to get what you want without having to deal with overly lengthy debates that ultimately lead to nothing.
I do agree that custom stages are an interesting idea that could be explored in the future. But I think the way OS went about doing it was 100% wrong. I believe there are ways to get custom stages to work in tournements, but making your own stages and forcing them to be part of an ENTIRE CIRCUIT is not only selfish, but completely absurd. OS, I agree with many of your philosophies and reasoning for things. But I cannot agree with your methodology. I feel like you could get much more done, on a much larger scale, if you were to just stop throwing the community under a bus while you do things your own way. You may think its silly to have to listen to people who half-*** things, but this is the [expected] result. You HAVE to listen to the people who you don't want to. Otherwise you truly can't get things to be accepted. And isn't that the idea here? Aren't you trying to get people to be open to and accept the idea of custom stages on in tournaments? Well, frankly, you're doing a horrible job of it right now.
MI timeline:
-first mwc started by kel
-MI *****es about Kel running the circuit
-second mwc started by OS
-MI *****es about OS running the circuit
-MI says "we'll fix everything and start our own circuit!"
-OS says "cool" and starts planning for OH only circuit
-MI gets a free venue and charges a $20 venue fee to make a $1000 guaranteed pot
-MI circuit falls through, they move it back to just one tournament
-OS is now able to schedule events without clashing with MI's
-MI cancels their one tournament
-OS changes OH circuit to OH, IN, KY tournament
-MI *****es about OS running a circuit
-First circuit event gets 61 entrants
-MI *****es
The timeline is basically the same for most of the people complaining.
I think I'm doing an alright job considering this is the third MW circuit and attendance has continued to increase. We had
61 entrants at the first Brawl circuit event. A ton of people *****ed on the forums... then came. A ton of people are *****ing now on the forums.... and had a good time.
Most of the people *****ing are, quite predictably, people who have *****ed consistently about everything else in the past. The only thing surprising to me is that a lot of the people that are complaining are the people that don't even live close enough to attend the tournaments!
If every TO suddenly said "okay, no more custom stages or I won't hold an event"... I just wouldn't hold an event there. If enough did it and we couldn't hold a circuit, I just wouldn't hold it. I gain nothing running a circuit; I actually have more loss than gain. Arguing and *****ing does nothing; if you want change, go through the path I explained in the original post. Hell, if you don't like the custom stages... you can make your own and give them to me, then show me why they should be removed.
OS, you're really taking a lot of crap to defend your decision... Is it really worth it? :/
I care exactly 0% about what anyone thinks. Why anyone thinks I would, I don't know. My life does not begin and end with smash, and people's opinion on me matters little in a competitive sense. Having people hate me would actually be an improvement, as it makes each match more important.
I actually provided video evidense that Green Greens has a possible glitch that can make it completely imbalanced and promote an untouchable form of camping. You can search the Green Greens stage glitch on youtube and find multiple examples of it occuring. Overswarm's response was that this hasn't happened ever in tournament and yet he refuses to address the obvious fact that IT COULD HAPPEN AND TOTALLY SCREW OVER AN ENTIRE SET FOR YOU!!
There are enough videos to show that it occurs relatively frequently. How the **** is this complicated?
Seriously, I did exactly what you said to show you that a stage should be banned and you *****ed out on me. I'm sure you feel attacked and everything but atleast address complaints that follow your exact instructions. I really don't care whether the information goes to you or Infern or whoever the TO is. Green Greens should always be banned because of this glitch. I'll respect the argument that Snake doesn't always win there. No ****ing duh. But even throwing that argument out, the glitch makes the stage ban worthy. Please don't throw away my argument with "I've never seen this happen so it probably doesn't matter." Especially when I show you it happening in a video. Maybe you should do some research on it.
I'm trying not to get pissed off and say something I'll regret but this is too ridiculous. I'm so sick of having to choose sides on ******** things like this. Honestly this problem is easily solved with logic and OS is just being stubborn.
If that's the case, the following stages should be banned from competitive play:
Rainbow Cruise
Pokemon Stadium 1
Castle Siege
Delfino
Pokemon Stadium 2
They all have "fall through" glitches that can take off a stock immediately, thus RUINING AN ENTIRE SET FOR YOU OMG.
Here's an idea for you Tyr: research the glitch you're telling me to research.
The "bomb glitch" isn't random, nor is it permanent. You can destroy it by occupying its frames while being invulnerable, among other things. I know Samus' up+b works. Do you know if you can merely air dodge through the explosion to remove it? Have you checked to see if this REALLY ruins a set? Have you even recreated it? If not, the bomb glitch is easiest to replicate with Ganon 's u-tilt, as it requires near pixel perfect spacing and his u-tilt just happens to have the right range. You can see a video on youtube on how to accomplish this.
The odds of this happening in tournament are very, very low. This glitch has not been seen
ever in tournament. You are looking for an excuse, not a reason. If you want to justify a stage ban, justify it to those that don't see a reason to ban the stage and do so with evidence. Not with hyperbole and paranoia.