Go pretend like people like you somewhere else.
At least I don't try to make people like me by presenting common knowledge off as my own and doing it in such an obnoxious manner that even Chris Rock and Tom Green would wince.
Originally Posted by Sky`:
If we banned Metaknight. Are you guys just going to sit here and assume that the people currently maining Meta will just follow the ban and pick a new character? Give up the money they've been making camping tournaments? Give up the prizes, the fame, the glory, of winning?
Really guys?
If we Put a ban on metaknight, Multiple things will happen.
One. The Melee community will point their fingers and laugh at us.
They've been doing that since Brawl came out anyways; you honestly think this would greatly change things?
Sounds stupid right? The Majority of the Melee community already detests brawl, and this will be a perfect opportunity to prey on Brawl. We would have banned a character from a game, that hasn't even been out for a year yet. Banning a character in any respect that early just shows the severe problem in brawl.
Yeah, it's called the fact the metagame right at the moment is so focused on beating ONE character.
The Melee community will strengthen, and grow, considering that many current Brawl players are teetering on the edge of the fence that divides Brawl and Melee.
OH NO! Melee will get back players that it has been heavily losing in the past 7 months? Say it ain't so! The fact that people think that these two games can't co-exist completely baffles me.
And I do like Melee, (Especially nao that I can Waveland Fair with Doc. XD Skrub am I.) (BHUT Alpha Zealot did beat me with his one handed Peach at MLG NJ. Amazing.) (BUT I did Spike Ken in a MM. True story. XD) (That was when I had tech skill... Q_Q)
So we Ban Metaknight, then what? Well, there goes a large fraction of the community. Some will quit because they were too far into Metaknight to switch to a new Main, some will quit because they feel it's stupid that he got banned, some will quit because they realize that Brawl Sucks, there will be various reasons, but I swear to you that more people will quit than you think. Which is... a Bad thing. Because I like big turnouts at tournaments. Don't you? =D
This is bull; complete and utter bull. If I didn't have class in an hour, I'd probably have my face buried in my hands for the next three because of how horrendously bad this statement is. Where do I even start...
1. Too far into Metaknight? There's not such thing as "too far" into Metaknight because his strategies are so simplistic and universal that it takes a matter of days to understand him to a competent level. He's probably the most shallow character in the game and most people pick him up as a secondary because of this.
2. One of the big reasons people think Brawl sucks is because Metaknight is essentially Smash Bros on training wheels and wrecks a majority of the cast with little effort. I think a majority of the community would rather face a lazer spamming Falco then a Metaknight who whirls around like a ****** with the tornado half the match.
3. As previously said, there are few people who just use Metaknight exclusively. People usually pick him up to deal with other Metaknights or to simply deal with the bad matchups of their mains. If Metaknight was banned, a vast majority of these people would simply go back to their mains or, if they used Metaknight exclusively, probably switch to another top/high tier character like Falco or Marth.
But okay, lets say that they don't quit. There are going to be tournaments that Ban Meta, and then there are going to be some that don't. Wouldn't that create Segregation? "I only go to tournaments that Ban Meta." Our community would be segregated; "For or against banning Meta?"
... Our community is already segregated on this issue but I can't see more than a few people dropping tournaments if Metaknight was banned. If anything, it would probably attract more people because they would actually have more of a chance of placing since, as I said before, Metaknight wrecks a huge chunk of the cast.
Soon, turnouts for tournaments will be cut in fractions, as not everybody agrees with the same rules. In addition, Because the Metaknight community is beginning to shift in percent as a greater populous, we'll still be seeing more tournaments that accept Metaknight. Because current metaknights will abstain from going to the tournaments that Ban him, (Primarily because they couldn't win,) They will make their own, allowing everybody. Personally, I'd rather go to a tournament with 100 people that allow metaknight, then one with 50 that bans him.
This is what I like to call "noise." I'd like to think that people who use Metaknight aren't using him so much as a crutch that they couldn't win with any other character. Do you think Hylian would stop ranking if he went back to the Ice Climbers/Mr. Game and Watch? Do you think Mew2King would stop being the among the best if he went back to King Dedede? In short, you kind of kill your own arguement from before; even without Metaknight, people are going to go where the money is. No serious competitive player would would turn up his nose at the chance to win $100+ simply because one character wasn't allowed. Metaknight isn't nessecary to win, he just makes it a lot easier.
You're going to have your group who likes meta, and a group who doesn't. But what about that third group, that doesn't care? Then, the people who don't care if Metaknight is there or not, will probably opt for the bigger tournament turn out. So your 50 Metaknight banned tournament just turned into 35, and your 100 metaknight allowed tournament just turned into 115. I wonder why there isn't a "I don't care, either way." Option on that poll?
Dear God... where are my pills...
And, is MK really that broken? (LOL CLEEEE SHAAYYY). BLAH BLAH BLAH AKUMA BLAH BLAH BLAH. You've all heard that one before. So let me take it into a different respect. Maybe you've heard the Shiek argument? Hehe, Shiek was broken, then we learned about DI, and said, Good bye Dthrow tilt combos! Dost thou really not think that in due time, we will find things to eliminate the current overwhelming threat that is Metaknight? Or are you willing to ban something so early?
A different respect? This arguement has been used a buttload of times too. As time has passed, Metaknight has gotten better, not worse. If anything, the Shiek example applies a lot more to Snake who used to be on top. As said many times before, people have yet to find any genuinelly decent counters against Metaknight. The only counters that have been found are stage counters for different characters like Bowser and Yoshi. Personally, I support a temporary ban and creation of a team of 10-15 high ranking players to test out counters in the downtime while he's banned at most major tournaments. This would probably last a month and, if the team works hard enough, at least one good counter should be found if it even exists.
You know what we need to focus on? Forget Metaknight, forget that. The character isn't broken. Let me say this so that everybody hears it.
We should be talking about the tact to win with Metaknight, not the character himself.
Metaknight is not my hardest matchup. (**** GaW. :[) But Camping is. I can't tell you how annoying Camping is. Plank camped his way right to third at Axis. Straight away to third, and took third from an actual skilled player, SK92. Because many people play Metaknight, and branch their ideas off current top players, camping is becoming more common. Camping it self should be regulated, and then this game would be so much better. You think that MK is the best camper? Efficient, sure, but not the best. Look at. R.O.B. Camp camp camppity camp camp camp. One of the best, if not THE best camper in the game. But MK has an arsenal of attacks that could kill you, and then he could Camp, making him higher than ROB. And to pull that arsenal off, it takes skill. You can't just pick up meta, and then be DSF.
There are ways around camping and you can always counterpick stages to help deal with it (Rainbow Cruise and Green Greens, anyone?). If anything, Metaknight is not the best camper, Snake and Olimar easily take that title. Also, how do you regulate camping? You can't just say, "Oh, you can only use so many of this certain kind of attack per stock." You talk about the opinion of whether or not Metaknight should be allowed in tournaments as subjective, this would be ten times so. Just about everyone would have their own definition of what is too much and there wouldn't be a fair way to define it. Also, it goes against the mentality of playing to win because you are supposed to do whatever it takes to gain the upper hand, even if it means playing outlandishly gay in the process. Camping is also an extremelly important part of some characters' metagames so you would rather kill a part of the metagame for a decent number of characters then eliminate a character who is argued to killing the metagame? I don't know about you but that's just strange.
You know when people say, "OMG ANYONE CAN PLAY META LOLOLOLLOL"? Well, it's true. The current metagame to win, has been developed such that Camping is a very vital and key way to play. And yes, I am saying that ANYBODY can camp. Not that hard. But it does take skill to play Metaknight. Spacing is very hard, give the players some credit. It isn't thaat easy. You want easy? Play GaW. There. Bair bair bair kbai. (JK. XD)
Game and Watch doesn't have almost triple the number of tournament wins then any other character, now does he? Learning to get tippers with Marth most of the time is hard. Spacing with Zero Suit Samus is hard. Spacing with Metaknight? No, definately not especially when most of his attacks are disjointed and have superior priority.
I beg of you, brawl community. Lets start looking at the tact that people are using to win, instead of the character himself. Face it. If a MK didn't camp, is the matchup really that terrible? I don't think so, in the slightest. If we just regulated Camping in a whole, which I know that we can do, I think that you'll see MK isn't that bad. This could be the step to making this game a better experience for everybody.
When was the last time you even played a Metaknight? It's not like Snake where you can litter the stage with grenades, c4, and mines or Olimar who can do reverse grabs, spam the pikmin throw, and fsmash until you try to strangle yourself with your controller cord. Metaknight doesn't just sit in one place and wait for people to come to them; no, he flies at them with full force, knocks them around, and easily kills people off stage. In fact, without camping, the matchups against Metaknight would be a lot worse. The Ice Climbers can decently fend him off with blizzards and ice shots but the match up is still 70-30 in Metaknight's favor. Wolf and Falco can penetrate the tornado with the lazer but Wolf is still 70-30 and Falco is 65-35 (I think). Shiek has her tilt locks, Snake has his grenades, Bowser has the fire breath and grab releases, Yoshi has the reverse grabs and eggs that stop most of his approaches, etc. Even with all this, these characters are still at a disadvantage against him.
I know that Camping is apart of Smash, but now that we are presented with this game where you can literally camp to top 5 consistently, we have to recognize it, and fix it. We must recognize this extreme fault and work as a community to fix it.
Again, camping can be gotten around and, if what you said WERE true, characters like Wolf, Pit, Pikachu, Toon Link, and the Ice Climbers would be doing a whole lot better then they are now.
So waddya say?
(Closing comments: This is probably written in poor eigo, (ingles). I do apologize. =D)
