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  • Hello, Fatman. I hope you are doing well. I know we have not seen eye to eye in the last day, but I just want to say I was trying to help you and the other Geno fans from, well, overhyping yourselves to setting yourselves up for big disappointment. I would go into that more, but I don't want another argument, so don't ask. Still, I was concerned, that is all. However, this has gotten to me, and because I could not help out the way I wanted to, just like how I tried to help the Sonic fanbase from setting themselves up for disappointment before, I felt helpless. I was even crying just now. However, while it may be true that some people, maybe even a good number of people could handle themselves, I was not thinking that would be the case with everyone. I felt that because I could not convince anyone anything, or change them (not that I would want to), I was just a useless failure. Also, while I was annoyed at the one user, who you should know that I will not name, I would never tell him to change. In fact, I'd say changing him in even the slightest would make him lose his identity or appeal to Geno fans, which is not even I would want. Just how he showed his positivity and expressed it, not the positivity and optimism itself, was what I did not like, Anyhow, yeah, I felt like I could not achieve anything, and while I am sorry, very much, if I upset you or others there (I really am), I guess trying to help achieves nothing, and is futile, even if I was just merely concerned.

    I am not trying to get you to feel sympathy for me or care, I just...I don't know what else to say. Listen, I have to go, I mean, you probably still mad at me, anyway.
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    SonicSmasher1
    SonicSmasher1
    Except I was not. Like I said, I was just making an observation. I was not thinking about that. I just had concern for you all. You have it all wrong.
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    And as I and many others have said, "noted" and that should be the end of it.
    SonicSmasher1
    SonicSmasher1
    Noted? If you are talking about me, I am still think you all have me down wrong, I just care about people like you guys, and while maybe overly drastic is measure, I just didn't want something bad to happen. No superiority complex involved. I am not the bad guy here, and no one in the Geno thread is. There is just a misunderstanding. I have seen some hostility, towards me, that is, but that is irrelevant.
    " I don't really get this concept because nothing bad has happened as a result. Some people have wound up disappointed, I guess, but it's weird to me that there's been multiple cases of people announcing their departure with the dire seriousness of a job resignation. This isn't the Manhattan Project and I've noticed that any complaining of things not panning out has overwhelmingly stuck to this thread so it's not like the Smash speculation equivalent of Chernobyl either. "

    First, this would be nothing like the Chernobyl disaster. The Chernobyl disaster is way bigger in importance, while something about Geno not getting in is a different case altogether. It is much smaller, but the sad thing is, there is bound to be people really mad at all, anyway. It is not the event itself, but the reaction, which are different things. It is not accurate to compare those two things.

    Plus, as for the "nothing bad has happened" that because Geno has not had a real big deconfirmation yet. We have just seen other characters announced, but nothing that flat out deconfirms Geno. I know human nature well, and like many people on the internet, I know people are going to be mad, and are going to set themselves up for disappointment with overwhelming positivity when they don't have the proper knowledge of a character getting in or not. Sure, there is speculation, but that can only excuse so much. There is so much blindness going in and ignoring evidence against Geno, passively or actively.

    I decided to leave the Geno thread and that is final. I am doing it for reasons people there apparently can't see, and if they think they won't be angry and rabid in the end, well, fine, there is still a chance they won't know themselves well and still get mad, regardless. I don't think everyone knows themselves well enough.
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    "Oh no, disappointment... As if this WHOLE year hasn't been a rolling case of that. Remember how I predicted Geno was going to be 76 or 77 starting the fall of 2019 and how that didn't pan out? Where are the casualties that people warned us would happen? Where is the widespread chaos? You had like... 3 people who were grumpy for a few weeks and a couple of people who took a break but later came back. Where were the hostage situations after 7 Theory didn't work out? Where were the mass protests when nothing SMRPG happened in the Mario Direct? We keep being told over and over again that the Geno fanbase is going to snap and blood will literally jettison from our eyes and ears if Geno doesn't pan out and yet each disappointing event hasn't resulted in the apocalyptic meltdown that we keep being told will happen. We keep getting indignant about being told we have the mental fortitude of preteens and the whole fanbase is a ticking time-bonb and yet we have yet to see these entrail splattered fits of rage we keep being told will absolutely happen because...?"

    Let me talk about this. Again, those were minor disappointments. We have not had a large case of something disappointing like a Geno deconfirmation yet, and that will be the big bomb that will cause the rage. You shouldn't think you are immune to this. Plus, the hostage thing? You are overblowing it. It has nothing to do with those. I am beginning to think you are okay with being disappointed, and are coming up with excuses to make it so that it seems nothing of that magnitude will happen. Guess what, I am sure it will. It's inevitable. Maybe not in terms of many people, but still.
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    Disappointment is a fact of life. Just this year my grandma basically committed suicide so, yes, I think potentially being disappointed about a video game character is, in fact, small potatoes and implying that most of the Geno fanbase can't mentally handle it is genuinely insulting.
    SonicSmasher1
    SonicSmasher1
    There are a lot of people who can't handle things. While some people may handle themselves, others won't. That is inevitable for some. Even if I am not right, it won't be by too much. I am just worried, but I know I can change nothing.
    Hey Fatman. This is more of a personal off-topic thing if you don't mind, but I remember you saying that you were in charge of organizing events around Halloween. With Halloween breathing on our necks right now and the pandemic being a mf, were your annual plans cancelled? Some states are still doing Halloween, so I was curious. I don't know if I can post questions like this on your profile, but I'm new here lol.
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    Yet another case of me overlooking stuff but I mostly spent Halloween with my wife and promoting local businesses.
    Hope this isn't a bother, but do you think Breath of the Wild 2 and the rumored Donkey Kong Country could be launch titles or even just launch window titles for the Switch Pro?
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    Possibly based on a number of things:

    -So far 3D World Deluxe is the only first party game announced for 2021 but there have been multiple 3rd party games announced through March.

    -The gap between major announcements and releases is typically 5-6 months because that's typically the gap between the summer and the holidays. 5-6 months before April is October and November, suggesting if the Switch Pro is real it will probably be an early December announcement at the absolute latest.

    -Breath of the Wild 2 special edition pack leaked back in August. Retail leaks tend to come to fruition 2-3 months later, once again coincidentally landing us in November.

    -DK trademark update in September with a bunch of stuff that was already confirmed. Kirby got a massive trademark update in September but was published earlier this month with the confirmed Kirby Fighters 2.

    -DK and Diddy Smash Amiibo have not been rereleased yet despite DK being registered for rerelease in 2018.

    All this said, I do think there's a strong possibility of these being "launch window" games.
    GenoDoge
    GenoDoge
    Thank you for the reply. Had been curious to know your input on it.
    The year is 2020. Nintendo casually brings Panel de Pon and Mario Super Picross to Western audiences after 25 years and Fire Emblem gets an official localization after 30 years. I've been saying it since last August but this is basically just an appetizer for stuff to come that people ordinarily would dismiss as borderline impossible any other year. COVID may have ****ed up 2020 but 2021 is already shaping up to be Nintendo's best year since probably 2017. Hang in there, comrades. As others have said, the dam should finally break by February at the absolute latest.
    Yo. Rate my Deluxe Mii Costume predictions:

    Brawlers: Rayman, Klonoa, Wonder Red
    Swordfighters: Professor Layton, Shovel Knight, Shantae, Hollow Knight
    Gunners: Dr. Cortex, Earthworm Jim
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    All are pretty great suggestions. I'm genuinely curious what they would do for Earthworm Jim but that would be the fun in it.
    Hello, forgive me if this has been asked already or if this is a bother, but I was just curious on what your opinion is on a Namco rep, bonus DLC, and Waluigi? Before my hiatus you were pretty confident in all of these but since I haven't heard any of your current thoughts on this matter I am curious to know if anything has changed or if any new information from these topics have dropped.
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    Sorry, I have like 30-40 notifications most times I log in. My thoughts haven't changed too much. If anything, Steve ironically boosted the prospects of all three.
    SkeffVEVO
    SkeffVEVO
    No worries. I get a lot of hope and joy from your Smash speculation so hearing this makes me glad. Thank you for responding as well.
    Overnourished Male Homo Sapien upon Solidified Dihydrogen Monoxide
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    Ben... Um... Holt. This isn't fair; I can't do the same with you.
    So, it seems that Blocked Content is talking about you now and classified you as a leaker. Can't say this would end well...
    Hey Fatmanonice I have a question in regards to a certain character, I know you probably won’t be able to answer this and if you can’t that’s fine, but I was really curious as I want to see them join Super Smash Bros. Ultimate so I will ask, Have you or your sources have heard anything in regards to Ryu Hayabusa coming to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate? I’m curious as I know there is a supposed Ninja Gaiden Sigma Trilogy coming to the Nintendo Switch and I know that Nintendo and KOEI Tecmo Games just announced Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity together earlier this week, so I was wondering if you can answer, has there been anything in regards to Ryu Hayabusa coming to Smash Bros.?
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    Ryu is literally the only Koei Tecmo content that has ever come up. No Mii costumes. No spirits. Just him and nobody really knows why. Last December, one of my guys heard a retro style Ninja Gaiden 4 was being worked on or at least considered but then in February Koei Tecmo came out and said there were no hard plans for the future of the series just yet. It's a weird situation. Because of the timing of the trilogy (late March 2021), if Ryu actually is coming he likely wouldn't be earlier than 10 but I have strong doubts because, like I said, Ryu is literally the only thing Koei Tecmo that has ever come up. One idea I'm currently floating is him being a Mii costume but Ryu is just a character that has kind of existed in insider circles forever without any solid leads.
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    I do think it's coming back and I do think DK was planned as one of the big holiday games for Holiday 2020. The dumb thing is that everything has collectively been moved back 3-4 months so this game is probably a spring 2020 release now. My hopes are that we hear about it by mid November.
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    Xehanort1372019
    Me too... DK to me is the second OG of Video Game Franchises that defines Nintendo.
    There's three other things in particular. The SMRPG remake was one of two things I was specifically asked to not make public by multiple people since April. The other is one of the three classic NES/indie revivals that's supposedly going to be announced by the end of the summer. There's two things that my contacts gave me the okay to make public but I've chosen not to because I believe their respective fanbases deserve the surprise. As I've talked about in the past, one of them has been kept a secret since last August and it's basically been a gaming community collective effort to not let it get out. On a much, much smaller degree, I guess I'm keeping the dead Namco franchise revival secret too but the other three things are so much of a bigger deal in comparison (no offense to that fanbase but they still deserve the surprise in my opinion).
    I’m not personally itching to know these secrets, but I wanted to ask something I’ve been wondering about for a while. I read this as, “I know something you don’t know. It’s really cool and here’s some hints to ponder for fun, but I won’t tell you even though I‘ve been told it’s fine if I did. You deserve to not know like I do.” Asking as an honest question, why tell people you know a cool secret that it’s more fun if they don’t find out, instead of not saying anything at all? Why say that you know something you choose not to say, but not choose to not say you know it?

    I’m wondering if this is how you and your insider/insider-ish contacts talk to each other about these things, like frequently they tell you something cool is coming but they can’t share exactly what at the time, and you do the same thing in the Geno thread because you like to be inclusive of people who have been rooting for him for a long time. The cynical part of me says that you enjoy other people knowing you know secrets and not telling them, but I honestly can’t imagine that’s actually true because you come across as a genuine and decent person (I’ve seen you get attacked before, so I want to emphasize that’s not what this is, I just wanted to ask is all).
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    Because I don't like hoarding information and I'm open to talking to people in private about things. For example, the SMRPG remake rumor was pretty much known by the entire Geno Discord since June and everyone was trusted with it. Not a single person leaked it. A lot of you guys are genuinely trustworthy people and could probably be trusted with certain things in private. On my end, I try to leave that door open. Some people are very avid researchers and speculators and will ask me questions in private about stuff I say. I will answers questions to the extent that I'm allowed to or that I feel doesn't endanger someone. Of course, I don't just tell everybody everything but there's literally nothing that I know that I exclusively know. I probably have a good 10 confidants that know everything I do because I've built relationships with these people and genuinely trust them. So, this all said, I'm just vocal because I'm comfortable being vocal and answering questions because, in my experience, a lot of people who do this really aren't.
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    I guess another way of putting this is I only know the stuff that I do because various people were willing to give me a chance and so I extend that to other people. I do think the flow of information within a community is a good measure of it's overall health. Yes, there's checks and balances but I have confidants as young as 15 and as old as mid 40s. One thing I often got in trouble for in Sabi's circle is that I hate the ivory tower approach. I don't like the idea of little clubs where like 5 people know stuff and giggle to themselves as the ignorant peasants below scrounge for scraps. I LOATHE that approach and it's a big reason why I'm so involved in the Geno community and I'm not just another talking head on Twitter.
    Wazygoose
    Wazygoose
    Ahhh, OK I get it now. That makes a lot of sense. All this has gotten so bizarre over the years. Back in Melee... well whatever, you know what it was like, but now there’s so much swirl around things. There’s literally a (super) tiny cottage industry around Youtube videos talking about Nintendo games. Sure, YouTube has spawn a lot of small niche channels, but still, this is all so weird. At least for Geno the end (and beginning) is in sight.
    Fatman, question - is there any possibility that Cacomallow plays into your theory of a Geno/Chief E3 reveal, on the basis that Mallow/Smithy would be Geno costumes (for obvious reasons) and Cacodemon/Doomguy would be Chief costumes (as FPS reps)?

    Assuming both are correct, Cacodemon obviously made us think Doomguy but if Chief is the FPS rep coming and you have him slotted in for the E3 Mega Man/Palutena/Ridley/Banno spot in your predictions atm, it would make sense to put the FPS costumes with the FPS character, and it would have been worked on so early because Chief is an early pass release.
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    Yeah, I feel like this is how things may have panned out. Confidence in Doom Guy was practically face down and dead in the water around last November within the people I talk to and things just got gradually worse and worse for the character overtime, no offense to the character. Things seemed okay last summer but then Terry passed and doubt of Western reps outside of a handful of characters like Crash all but imploded, especially with Master Chief having a huge boon in evidence starting last December.
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    That's actually a legitimately interesting theory. Only big hole is Vault Boy coming with Min Min, but at least we got a subtle in-joke out of that.

    Basically, it mostly rides down on whether the Halo MCC Switch port hinted at by King Zell does truly exist.
    If I may ask, if you do have sources, why do you tend to make these, theories about things?

    Not that I am doubting you, but also, this guy had something to say about you here.


    If it doesn't hurt to answer, what do you think of this?
    SonicSmasher1
    SonicSmasher1
    I know how you feel, but you really shouldn't let them get to you at all. Just don't pay attention to them, and move on from there. Also, try to remain calm, and think to yourself, it is not that big of a deal. It's not the end of the world if they see you like that. Just be you.
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    It it was JUST criticism, it wouldn't be an issue. It's a personal vendetta for some of these people and that's what I don't get. There are some people who will not be satisfied until I flat out delete my account and have said so in some form. There's people that unironically want me hurt or dead over this stuff. There are people who have targeted my friends and have bullied them off different sites and Discord channels. That's why "ignore it and it will go away" doesn't work in this case. You can't really negotiate with people whose options are "delete your account" or "leave the internet." It's been said time and time again but the Smash fanbase really is bat**** crazy.
    SonicSmasher1
    SonicSmasher1
    Either way, remaining calm is the best thing to do. I know it is hard to do, considering the unnecessary hate you get here and there, but you still can't let them get to you. If you do,, they win. Even if you don't delete your account, you're still not going to be the better person if you don't act civil and calm about this. There is the saying, sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me. They can't hurt you physically if they are far away on another computer. Sure, some may dox you, and publicly release the address of your parents, but they are still fools for acting that way towards you, and don't know better. They don't even know they could get in trouble for attacking you or anyone else in person. You could find a way to report any behavior against you if it happens. I know you are smarter than them, and that you are better. You just have to show them that you aren't the one who is wrong here, but with the way they act towards you, they aren't, no matter what is happening between you and them.
    So I was curious Fatman.. What are your current # placements for 5 of your 6 character predictions? Like you once told me you assumed Crash would be 78. Do you have a new theory on how they will be ordered or? What is your current stance on our last 5 spots in accordance with 5 of your 6 choices? I'm assuming the 6th and final of your choices could be our bonus character, which IMO will be Waluigi as a seperate character after FP2 is said and done.

    Do you think we will get Geno sooner rather than later? I know Nintendo is probably going to squeeze a Pokemon in there somewhere, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong..
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    A basic summary of how this year has gone regarding Crash and Smash:

    -Crash mobile leaked. Was in the Crash 5 year plan document.

    -New Crash game for 2020 leaked. Was in the Crash 5 year plan document.

    -Was pretty confident that Crash was going to be one of the E3 reveals until about early July when a lot of new information concerning Master Chief came out suggesting that he was successfully negotiated a good 4-6 months earlier than originally thought.

    -New information came out in this time frame suggesting the last successfully negotiated character was from Capcom.

    With all this in mind, my original prediction order in January was: Waluigi, Geno, Crash, Lloyd, Dante, Chief

    Now my order is: Min Min, Geno (Waluigi possibly a bonus close to Geno), Chief, Lloyd, Crash, and Dante
    Hey, I saw something recently that reminded me of the rumors you were mentioning and wanted to get your input on this. Basically, a Brazilian Youtuber known as Coelho, which is/was a pretty important person in the Brazilian Game Industry (even though that's an unknown fact) posted a video today about a source that got in contact with him a while ago. There was a translation from ResetEra, but I decided to do it myself because there was some misinterpretation issues with that version. In resume, here's the info (I put my comments in parenthesis):

    Things his “Source” got right beforehand:
    Date and time of the July Partner Showcase 3 days before Kelios (Only one that talked about the time of the Direct, though that's easily guessable)
    Something Zelda in the Partner Showcase (Coelho thought it was the Ocarina of Time trademark, but it was actually Candace of Hyrule)
    Shadowdrop close to the State of Play (Pikmin 3)

    Things PH, a person with sources that he mentions in the video said:
    New Metroid builds off the 3DS game (Probably because MercurySteam is working on it)
    New FE (Reminded me of you talking about 6/7 remasters)
    3D World is the next WiiU port (Given considering how may people already said it)

    Things “Source” said and are yet to come true and said to treat as rumors:
    Some kind of presentation in August 10th (May be Indie World) or sometime in August (May be the Mario Direct or General)
    Metroid 2D developed by a Spanish studio (Mercury Steam is located in Madrid, Spain)
    New F-Zero in 2020 (Also reminded me of what you said on franchise revivals)
    - Developed since 2017 by Bandai Namco
    - Story Mode
    - Customization
    - Online Mode
    2 Metroid Prime games are being developed at Retro Studios simultaneously
    - The new hirings are related to the second game, not the first one
    New Kingdom Hearts for the Switch (I think this was Melody of Memory)
    - Was being developed originally to the 3DS
    - Supposed to be an exclusive (This changed possibly when changed consoles)
    New Donkey Kong is being made by an indie studio (You already said what you think of it, but this was the origin of people asking)
    New Mario Strikers
    - Is in development, but something delayed it’s announcement / release

    Crazy things “Source” said that even Coelho doesn’t believe them:
    In February, he had info about BOTW2
    - Was supposed to be a December 2020 release before the pandemic
    - Supposed Beta name was “The Princess’ Madness”
    - Monolith is really helping out on this one
    Monolith is also being responsible for another Zelda game
    - Doesn’t know if it’s a remake or a port -> Could be Skyward Sword HD or Ocarina of Time remake

    As a bonus, Coelho himself also confirmed about changes going on with Nintendo dates last second, but couldn't talk about any of it, lining up with what NonSpecificGuy said about the corporate shakeup at Nintendo.
    RetrogamerMax
    RetrogamerMax
    Imagine if PlayTonic Games is developing a new DK game. If you're not aware, the guys at PlayTonic Games are the Rareware staff from the 90s that developed the DKC games and Banjo-Kazooie games.
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    Things here that I've heard on my end:

    -Mario Strikers has been a pretty open rumor this summer and the Mario Sports trademark renewal coincidentally happening near Mario Tennis's 20th anniversary probably shows it has a lot of merit to it.

    -I first heard Zelda Remasters in April, I believe. The rumor was it would either be Ocarina of Time or it would be an HD pack of Ocarina, Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword on the same cartridge.

    -The Fire Emblem stuff has been around since last September. Like Mystery Dungeon, it was a canned 3DS project that they decided to simply move to Switch. Rumors imply 6 and 7 as one cohesive game or at least available on one cartridge.

    -Last October I was told by a contact that Nintendo was going to try its damnest to make BotW2 a 2020 release. Haven't gotten an update since but it sounded like Nintendo was really serious about it. Beyond that, as far back as last August, a contact told me that Nintendo wanted E3 2020 to have Mario and Zelda as the headliners so I think that possibly supports it too.

    -3D World has been rumor since December 2018. In December 2019, Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, and 3D World were all things I had heard were coming in 2020 so, with two of the three coming true, it probably will too.

    -Prime Trilogy has been a rumor since December 2018 and that's probably the second Retro Studios Metroid because everything I've heard about Prime 4 is that it wasn't going well and that it would likely miss E3 2020, something one of my contacts told me as late as January 2020.

    -I've heard DK is first party but details are so few and far between. The only other thing I had heard is that there was going to be a hard push for it to be the big holiday 2020 title which makes me doubt it's indie but good on them if they can pull it off. It also fits the narrative I've heard since last August that Nintendo is going to trust indies with their IPs to not only build reliable "allies" but to also prevent game droughts/deserts in the future.
    https://donate.starlight.org/team/307813

    My wife and I run a Halloween Facebook Event group and we're currently in our 5th season. Because Covid-19 has nuked public events for the foreseeable future, we've decided to put extra emphasis on raising money for national and local charities this season and this is the first of several in the coming months. I know not all of you are Burgers and Halloween is kind of a smelly American thing but Starlight is a fantastic charity and any help from the Smash community would be greatly appreciated.
    Beat DKC 101% on the NSO in two sittings and it's just a weird reminder of how much has changed over the years.

    "Back in my day, we paid $60 for a game you could beat in a weekend and we liked it that way."
    I'm going to assume Ratchet (and Clank) is the Mii Costume for Sony. Makes the most sense to me.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    As much as I want it to be PaRappa, I imagine it's probably either Kratos or Ratchet.
    RetrogamerMax
    RetrogamerMax
    I won't say whether or not if Ratchet and Clank are the Sony Mii costume, but I already know who it is. Fatman shared it with me in private months ago like all the way back in March. He doesn't want any one else to know who it is for sure because his contects want the Sony costume to be kept secret from the public at all cost.
    Andwooooo
    Andwooooo
    I'll retract my assumption for now because, even though an R&C game was released on Android, they're still owned by Sony. But knowing what Fatman has said, it's really difficult to come up with another name that goes with everything else he's said.
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    More than likely. We know HAL is working on a big Kirby project and has been since last fall but nobody knows how far along it is. Kirby games don't usually take long to develop but, if it started last year, I imagine it won't be releasing until at least the spring.
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    I also wonder about this too.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1276243769986170880

    They did a historical layout of Kirby but... Why? Kirby's birthday is in April and the last significant Kirby was in 2018 and was a Spring release. They also did one for DK recently and, weirdly enough, there was a Smash tournament featuring the two franchises for literally no reason.
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    Given how much Sak prefers to remain in the comfort zone, we know that if we get a new Kirby character, the choice is all on Nintendo.

    Also, I'm glad to see that you've also noticed how oddly silent HAL has been recently. It's not too often that we go this far in the year without a Kirby game, so something big is being prepared.

    Do you figure that DK and Kirby might get something?
    Just so you know. It really sucks that nintendo's zigzag marketing ****ed you over. I'm confident that the big news you said are coming!
    Howdy, Fatman! Would you be opposed to a quick DM? I just wanted to send something positive in your direction, and I forgot that your DMs were understandably turned off by default.
    I know in this community kicking me in the face with cleats would probably rival lines at Disney World but, without any cheekiness, spoilers, winky faces, or lines of eye emojis, if you have any sort of recording equipment, you will definitely want to record your reactions because what's been going around since literally last AUGUST is that "E3" 2020 would be a legendary Direct and I think it's going to be insanely cathartic for the Nintendo community as a whole.
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    I know it'll be cathartic for me (regardless of who you or I think could or could not get in), because with what's been going on with "Summer of Gaming" so far, I've had my fill of not-Directs and not-E3s. I want the original general Direct, not wholesome indies, not thinly-veiled visual novel expos, not puppet shows, not VRs showing off, not weird grindhouse movies, not open-world fests, and certainly not whatever Google farted out for Stadia. I want a plain-arse, tried and true, genuine, crystal-clear, frank as Frankenstein, clean, simple, straightforward, not presented by an awards show PR person, not presented by a celebrity skater, no smoke and mirrors, unveiled, undeniable, unavoidable, "here it is!" Direct. Which I will seem to finally get at the start of next week, if increasing rumors ring true.

    And I've been waiting for a 3D World port since forever.
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    So, anyway, rant aside, who else besides Kelios and King Zell have backed the July 20 date?
    I normally don't do theorycrafting in my status but I wanted to share something that's relevant to a good number of popular fanbases. One of the common criticisms I get is that I have mentioned four characters have been prevalent in insider circles since fall 2018: Waluigi, Geno, Lloyd, and Ryu Hayabusa (now a split argument of whether he was leakbait for Byleth so I won't go into him). "Okay, smartass, if they've been heard so long... Where are they?" While typing something up in the Dixie thread today, I came to realize that most of the third party and DLC characters throughout Smash history have a seemingly intentional timing to them. These can be split up into three categories: promoting major projects in the works, promoting an upcoming game even if it's just a rerelease, and to be part of certain anniversary celebrations. Before I start, I want to say that Plant, Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy, and Min Min were probably released "just because" and the only third party character I think was added just for the hell of it was Ken. This all said, let me break it down by category:

    Major upcoming project: Snake (MGS4), Ryu (Street Fighter V), Cloud (FF VII Remake)

    Upcoming game release: Sonic (Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games), Pac-Man (Japanese release of Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures), Corrin (Western release of Fire Emblem Fates), Bayonetta (Bayonetta 2 rerelease), Joker (Persona 5 Scramble and Persona 5 R), Hero (DQ XI S), Byleth (Three Houses DLC)

    This all said, this seems very, very intentional, especially for third party characters.

    Commerorating an Anniversary: Megaman (part of the 25th anniversary), Simon/Richter (part of Konami's 50th anniversary), Banjo (part of the 20th anniversary), Terry (interesting enough, was not only released super close to the 28th anniversary of Fatal Fury but the 20th anniversary of Garou: Mark of the Wolves, which is a Fatal Fury spin-off that Terry stars in)

    With these mentioned, these bring up some very interesting prospects for four evergreen characters in Smash speculation: Waluigi, Lloyd, Dixie, and Geno and I'll go into all of them focusing just on these topics.

    Waluigi: pretty straight forward, 35th Super Mario anniversary and, coincidentally, Waluigi's 20th birthday is next Tuesday. I don't care how you feel about him, you have to admit that would be pretty cool if they planned this all along.

    Lloyd: 25th anniversary of Tales and Namco has been hardcore teasing announcement since literally January. The Tales stuff leaked last September so it heavily implies is there's going to be several major announcements later this year. Also, I know not everyone is a Tales fan but the actual 25th anniversary isn't until December, part of the reason why Lloyd was part of my theorycraft for 5 and why he's part of my theorycraft for 9.

    Dixie: I went into it in both the Geno thread and Dixie but there's been rumblings of "something" major being announced soon for the DK series since November and recently it's hit a fever pitch. Especially with the strong [word redacted] that the game is strictly first party and the first non-buck passed DK adventure since Jungle Beat, I could easily see them using Smash to promote. If Nintendo can do this for Fire Emblem Fates and Three Square Meals a Day, they can certainly do it for DK.

    Geno: this one is particularly interesting because, as someone pointed out in the Geno thread the other day, Square doesn't believe in free lunches. Cloud promotes FF VII Remake, Hero promotes DQ XI S, Hero's costumes promoted not only DQ XI S but the rereleases of DQ I-III, two Square spirit events that promote Octopath Traveler and Trials of Mana, and even Geno's Mii costume in Smash 4 promoted the January 2016 release of SMRPG on the Wii U VC. In short, pretty much everything they've added is specifically an ad for something coming up or something that can be bought right now with minimal effort. This said, if Geno were to come to Smash, he wouldn't be promoting SMRPG on the NSO because that's a free service and free makes Square Enix break out in hives. This means that Geno would be tied to... Something... that requires people to break out the ol' debit card. What could this be? Time will tell, if at all.

    Also, yes, I know there's other major anniversaries and game releases coming up but these were the four I wanted to focus on because, honestly, all four have had dedicated fanbases since the Brawl Speculation days and it would be pretty cool if things panned out for most, if not all, of them in the upcoming year and a half.
    Kind of wild to think E3 2010 was now more than a decade ago. It was probably the best Nintendo E3 ever aside from E3 2006 mainly because Nintendo came out guns blazing, bringing something new to almost all their major franchises and reviving a ton too. Mario and Zelda got multiple new games, Kirby got his first real console game since Kirby 64, Metroid got a new game (but we don't talk about that), Animal Crossing got a new game, and, in a single presentation, Nintendo revived Donkey Kong Country, Kid Icarus, Pilot Wings, and Golden Sun. It was kind of surreal because it was one of those super memorable E3s without Smash and Pokemon only had a few spin-off games. It really makes me wonder if Nintendo will ever recapture that amount of magic in one presentation again.
    RetrogamerMax
    RetrogamerMax
    I think Nintendo can do it again.
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    I think there's a lot of potential this year that I don't think a lot of people realize. It's already been borderline confirmed that Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Pikmin are likely getting stuff soon and new Kirby and Fire Emblem stuff is being actively worked on. This is just the things that are outside of rumors. Throw in the franchises that have long standing major rumors and you have over a dozen, which is pretty nuts and why "E3 2020" could be absolutely monumental. As I pointed out, the current rumors are very, very similar to how E3 2010 turned out: multiple Mario and Zelda projects, several Pokemon spin-offs, Metroid, and even the revival of several dead franchises. It's quite a coincidence if not totally intentional.
    Everything that's going on the Smash competitive is pretty upsetting and there obviously needs to be heavy restructuring. Just from my own experience running a student organization and being a student supervisor and advisor to this day on a college campus, just some of my own thoughts:

    -Accountability. Accountability. Accountability. Sometimes people do the wrong thing because of ignorance and those are people that can be reformed. People who knowingly do ****ty things can only be reformed through a long process if at all. The longer they do ****ty things without being called out on it, the harder they'll be to reform. Catch it early because, if you don't, ****ty people are going to have influence in your group, making it an even bigger problem.

    -Diversity is good but it should be organic. A common complaint is that the Smash fanbase is misogynistic as holy hell so bringing a bunch of women into the equation won't inherently change it. You have to work towards making an environment that's welcoming to women, queer, and trans people so that they WANT to be a part of it. Filling quotas isn't going to anything, it's just going to endanger those people until real changes are made.

    -A big problem with Ultimate is that a lot of the leadership was literally just Smash 4's. Leadership should not be static and other people should be allowed to grow and make major decisions on behalf of a group. Horrendously ancient people like me can act as advisors and guidance but we shouldn't be making most of the decisions. Leadership can also be from the background and a common mistake I see with young leaders is that they think they have to decide everything themselves without input when it should be a collaborative effort.

    -I kind of agree with other people's assessments of FGC in that it's basically letting frat houses be run by frat boys. Your 20's are a turbulent time and your typical early 20 year old is a POS in one way or another. I was kind of a POS in my early 20's too. The critical thing about your early 20's though is that POS will turn into bowl blocking turds if there's no intervention. I got the proper boot to the head on multiple fronts to straighten me out by my mid 20's but it's dangerously clear that this isn't happening for a lot of people. Dip**** 20 year olds turn into dip**** 30 year old managers who eventually become dip**** 60 year old congressmen. The point is that the longer it goes on, the more damage they can do and the less likely they can be reformed. Have a whole bunch of assholes and you basically have the current problem where it comes to define the entire organization.
    For some reason, there will supposedly be a Direct sometime this month, even though it doesn't look like it's in the cards until September. What's your opinion on this?
    Pokelego999
    Pokelego999
    Probably. There was stuff planned for last month.
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    I think it's pretty likely for a number of reasons:

    -Nintendo has already cancelled three major presentations this year.

    -From a marketing perspective, waiting until September to reveal your holiday line up is basically suicide. Negotiating shelf space, getting advertising to retailers, etc takes months of prep work and Nintendo's already nail bitingly close to this process being a crunch this year.

    -The Polish Amiibo leak back in early May has the next major Amiibo wave for September 18th meaning it's already in the books that the next Smash character is releasing in September, heavily implying they're going to be announced before then.

    -Some majors rumors have been on standby since literally December and almost everybody agrees that a number of them are long overdue to be announced.
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    Fair reasoning, sir. Also, before you posted, we've had an update recently, with the French leaker Kelios stating that we'll have a Direct sometime this month. No specifics so far, but their track record shows that they leaked some big Nintendo announcements for the last few months (AC Direct, Mini-Direct), so they seem reliable.
    I really like the current buzz of a potential Mario presentation because, if following Nintendo presentations over the years has taught me anything, it's always to expect the unexpected. Yes, stuff leaks but Nintendo does a pretty damn good job of keeping the stuff they really want secret a secret. If the 3D Mario remasters and Mario Kart 9 are the "surface level" rumors that have been lingering for months, it really makes you wonder what the ace/aces up their sleeves are for Mario this year. We got Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games, maybe it's time for Mario and Master Chief at the Bass Pro Shop Gun Range? Mushroom Kingdom Hearts? Hopefully we'll find out soon.
    RetrogamerMax
    RetrogamerMax
    While Chrom was never Assist Trophy, he still appears in Robin's Final Smash and he is playable. I think they could let Assist Trophies become playable while keeping it off or even on while someone is playing as the playable version of the character.
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    In before it's Chain Chomp, because no one else would be that simple to promote.

    But seriously though, my gut feeling says that they haven't thought of the possibility for more than a few minutes. The most "likeliest" one to be promoted has been set aside to the point that he wasn't even Sakurai's first choice as an ARM character. The only other "real" choice at this stage is seen as comic relief and little else by every developer involved, even Camelot.

    ATs have been seen as a given, but I'm not so sure, especially now.
    RetrogamerMax
    RetrogamerMax
    Well just because Sakurai overlooked Spring Man for Min Min and Ninjara, that doesn't mean Assist Trophy promotions can't happen. Besides, Sakurai definitely has someone else in mind to probably break the barrier.
    Hey Fatman! Just wondering whether you still use Discord. I want to ask you something but am not sure whether you still use it or not.
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    I do. Same name as here. Not part of a lot of servers though, largely just Star Road and Forest Maze.
    DIY
    DIY
    Perfect! Yeah, I still have you friended on it but have been really busy lately and wasn't sure whether you still use it. I'll message you soon about something.
    are you still confident in Geno,Lloyd,MC,Dante,Crash and if so why?
    ⛧Lord Metallium⛧
    ⛧Lord Metallium⛧
    Dante or Kos-Mos my pics
    Fatmanonice
    Fatmanonice
    Yes and have been since January and factors really haven't changed too much. To tell you the truth, I haven't given up on Waluigi either. As to why? That's not exactly something I can answer in a short blurb. All my conclusions are from research I've done since November 2018 within my network. If you search my name and a character name you can usually find some of my explanations pretty easily but it's not a simple thing. I ever wrote a 15 page essay for Geno back in January and, with everything that has come up since, I could probably expand it to 25 but, like my location says, I overthink everything and that's kind of my 14 year legacy here.
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