Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[Kira-]

NO!!!! Tope no whats up man puff sheik is even!!! Or in sheiks favor imo. Im entilted to it since amsah thinks sheik beats falco lol.

sheik does beat falco =)

 

[KirbyKaze]

Peach beats Ice Climbers.

 

[Charlesz]

Thanks KK. lol.

 

[Nihonjin]

NO!!!! Tope no whats up man puff sheik is even!!! Or in sheiks favor imo. Im entilted to it since amsah thinks sheik beats falco lol.

I was just joking on the Falco boards. I actually think it's even.. (maybe slightly in Falco's favor if he really knows what he's doing)

 

[Teczer0]

i competely disagree, i feel like being in your shield at all is a step in the wrong direction in the matchup

Interesting..

I think we can all agree keeping your distance and racking up damage against puff is a good idea.

Aside from that whats your thoughts on the match up?

what can u do oos? im curious

Aerials and WD -> tilts for the most part. I suppose needles if you're creative enough with it.

 

[DJRome]

i mean in what situations tho. it seems like if ur getting shield pressured, jiggs is just waiting for u to move so he can punish.

 

[Teczer0]

Well typically her shield pressure is hitting your shield and then somehow run away or position themselves so they won't be hit.

So you can use it to either counterattack like with nair if they go high to avoid you or bair to go behind you etc etc.

Or just WD back to run away.

 

[Tope]

I can agree with plank about getting stuck in your shield, bad bad....


just WD/roll back

yeeee

 

[Teczer0]

Thats fine you can disagree... but what do you do then?

I mean you throw stuff sure. Do you just space bairs and dtilts?

 

[SonuvaBeach]

did you guys miss the nicaboy vs hbox set?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l37mIuLVIqw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clPZ2qIg4Fk

^^^ this was actually very helpful in the jiggs matchup. I like a simple sheik too.

 

[GOD!]

yeah nicaboy thats a really good set.

I noticed a distinct lack of tilts (besides dtilit a few times). And you definitely went to the air against her. Do you play hbox a lot? Cause if you do then maybe you just know him really well and I shouldn't study your matches too hard.

 

[Tope]

thats Fine You Can Disagree... But What Do You Do Then?

I Mean You Throw Stuff Sure. Do You Just Space Bairs And Dtilts?

Run The F Away

 

[xbombr]

In other news, Sheik's chaingrab on Ganon is very amusing the first 10 times you do it, then it makes you feel bad, until he chaingrabs you just as hard.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Ganon's CG goes to 90 and then combos into F-smash or U-smash if he's perfect. If he's IMPERFECT it goes to 70 and combos into Bair/Fair.

Screw Ganon.

 

[nicaboy]

sheik does beat falco =)

Dont troll me bro

I was just joking on the Falco boards. I actually think it's even.. (maybe slightly in Falco's favor if he really knows what he's doing)

It even, this is coming from a guy who spendt 3 days in lambchops room. Trust me
Stop trolling amsah your just too good

yeah nicaboy thats a really good set.

I noticed a distinct lack of tilts (besides dtilit a few times). And you definitely went to the air against her. Do you play hbox a lot? Cause if you do then maybe you just know him really well and I shouldn't study your matches too hard.

I didnt play hbox 2 years before that. The last time i played him I was a peach main lol.

 

[soap]

Well typically her shield pressure is hitting your shield and then somehow run away or position themselves so they won't be hit.

So you can use it to either counterattack like with nair if they go high to avoid you or bair to go behind you etc etc.

Or just WD back to run away.

usmash out of shield if they try to aerial > cross over behind u

i get so many kills looking for this

 

[nicaboy]

usmash out of shield if they try to aerial > cross over behind u

i get so many kills looking for this

Im working on this

 

[GOD!]

what percent does usmash kill at (non dreamland)?

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

its so ironic that the things posted here vs jiggs are the things discredited on the new matchup thread
*shakes head*

edit: lol nicaboy speaking of you two years ago... i asked a certain fox player that said he 4 stocked you in 47 seconds. no hate, just cool how much better uve gotten

 

[Kira-]

this is coming from a guy who spendt 3 days in lambchops room.

I would love to do that. Lambchops is actually my favorite Falco

.....

i saw those him vs m2k vids where m2k is johning and lambchops is trying to teach him LOL. good stuff

lol nicaboy speaking of you two years ago... i asked a certain fox player that said he 4 stocked you in 47 seconds. no hate, just cool how much better uve gotten

Rofl this was funny

 

[KirbyKaze]

I housed Blunted_Object for like a weekend or so because he was randomly in town. I really think if the Falco is gay and doesn't leave places for Sheik to Nair OoS, it's really hard to shake him. Though I'm also pretty sure that when Sheik's on offense her tech chase, gimps, and SH aerials are super effective vs Falco and shut him into retreat too. Falco gets stuck easily when he's cornered and on defense against Sheik.

 

[earla]

sheiks best secondary in pal?

sheiks best secondary in ntsc?

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

uh i dont think a secondary is relative to its primary. unless i misunderstand.
so i pick kirby? wait no i got it. use zelda theres a button for that

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

sheik needs a secondary less than anyone else. a top level fox doesn't need a secondary.

 

[SPAWN]

You can chaingrab Ganon at 7 damage guaranteed. It's really funny to do. Too bad you get chaingrabbed at 0.

 

[Yomi-no-Kuni]

sheiks best secondary in pal?

sheiks best secondary in ntsc?

your second best character.
If you dont have one but want to get a secondary, check your least favorite Matchups, and find a character with whom you would rather play those MUs...

I use Fox,Falco as secondary nowadays... but it changes from time to time

 

[SPAWN]

your second best character.
If you dont have one but want to get a secondary, check your least favorite Matchups, and find a character with whom you would rather play those MUs...

I use Fox,Falco as secondary nowadays... but it changes from time to time

I gave up on Fox since I've been trying to make him a tournament viable character for like 2 years and am way too inconsistent with him/ in order to play him consistently I have to practice like an hour a day... too high maintenance of a character.

Falco is a great secondary for a Sheik main imo... since I gave up on Fox. There's like no maintenance on him unless you want to be able to multishine and then be able to do something out of your multishine consistently. Otherwise though, you shouldn't need to practice with him. If you do practice with him though, it's really fun.

I love being a Sheik main and having such a low maintenance character. If I practice Sheik for an hour or two and I haven't played in like two/three weeks... I can usually get all my timings back. :D


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What do you guys think of removing your light shield (holding whichever shield button you use down while you plug in your controller ORRRR holding down whichever shield button you use down while holding xy+start)?

I think it's great and I've been having a ton more consistency powershielding. It's taken me about a week or two to get used to... since instead of lightly hitting L/R I have to hit it down real hard. I also have like... never missed an l cancel this way/missed a perfect waveland onto stage.

tl;dr- Removing your light shield is **** imo and it makes you 100x more consistent.

 

[Twin_A]

tw1n when do I see you again? D:

Also, who do you main?

He mains Jigglypuff. And Slowly I'm picking up fox and learning the matchup after being rested to hell and back by raistlin at Pound O.o Seriously everything jiggs does (Or sheik for that matter) leads into rest >.<

i have missed opportunities to meet u twins I must rectify this soon

Definitely :D

 

[Kira-]

If you were to pick up a secondary for Sheik, you would do so to cover her bad matchups, which include Fox, ICs, and Puff (and possibly Falco).

The one character that covers all of these the best? Fox.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'm trying to secondary Peach. She pours hot **** all over Ice Climbers, which is nice, and everything else I'd try to do with Sheik anyway.

Fox is good secondary for everyone in theory, but most people (I find) lack the technical consistency to use him as a secondary. Also, it's really rare to find someone really bad at the Fox matchup at high level, IMO. Fox is the most common tournament character, so most people are good at it, or if not good they're experienced at it.

Falco covers the Fox matchup, can gay-stage Ice Climbers like you wouldn't believe, and is okay against himself. Marth doesn't look too bad. He performs fairly well against the Ice Climbers and Space Animals. Arguably Puff, too. Too bad he's a pain to learn.

In terms of low tiers, if you didn't mind the space animals with Sheik, Young Link would actually be okay. He's okay against Ice Climbers and not too bad against Puff either. You can probably bank on them being horrific at the matchup, too, because of the distinct lack of Young Links. Unfortunately, this means you have to be good with Young Link, which is hard, and if they ever figure out what to do it becomes a lot harder completely spontaneously and that can suck.

 

[SonuvaBeach]

If IC's are a problem as sheik, you might as well pick up peach. The matchup advantage marth or fox has isn't enough to overcome the fact that they aren't your main/best vs ICs. Peach has a bigger advantage and is easier.

If puff is the problem then fox is your guy.

If fox is your problem then you shouldn't main sheik...

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

ive got a peach, but for some funny reason i have a pretty solid young link. his only real purpose is friendlies and low tier tournies... but some people **** up hard against him cause no one plays him. i need to play ganon so i have the whole triforce going

edit: ive never triedmy young link vs puf... i should check that out

What do you guys think of removing your light shield (holding whichever shield button you use down while you plug in your controller ORRRR holding down whichever shield button you use down while holding xy+start)?

I think it's great and I've been having a ton more consistency powershielding. It's taken me about a week or two to get used to... since instead of lightly hitting L/R I have to hit it down real hard. I also have like... never missed an l cancel this way/missed a perfect waveland onto stage.

spawn tell me more

 

[Tero.]

If you were to pick up a secondary for Sheik, you would do so to cover her bad matchups, which include Fox, ICs, and Puff (and possibly Falco).

The one character that covers all of these the best? Fox.

Marth and Fox.

 

[Spife]

why not just remove the spring spawn?
"Illegal controller mods" is never fully explained when asked anyway and no to ever checks

 

[KirbyKaze]

idk some matchups you may want to light shield?

 

[Spife]

not both springs
and i forgot some people shield and wavedash and lcancel and tech with the same button, what a sad world you all live in.

 

[Dynamism?]

so most people are good at it, or if not good they're experienced at it.

I've heard stories.

I come from a land of Doc and Samus and if I ever do get outside the valley, BC is Falcoland and there ain't no other spacie here! I want a puppy in boots to amuse me.

and i forgot some people shield and wavedash and lcancel and tech with the same button, what a sad world you all live in.

LOL

 

[SPAWN]

ive got a peach, but for some funny reason i have a pretty solid young link. his only real purpose is friendlies and low tier tournies... but some people **** up hard against him cause no one plays him. i need to play ganon so i have the whole triforce going

edit: ive never triedmy young link vs puf... i should check that out

spawn tell me more

What do you want to know?

All I know is that holding ONLY ONE OF THE SHIELD BUTTONS when plugging in your controller is ****. If I notice someone is shieldraping me then I just hit L lightly and let go of R.

But, honestly, I don't understand why more people don't take away light shield. I mean, it helps soooo much for both Sheik and Falco at least.

Notices with Falco:
-I've been getting way better at multishine then wavedashing. I still need more work but meh.
-shine OOS is a lot easier for some reason... might just be me
- waveshining is easier since I basically slam R now
- I've been missing a ton less L cancels since I have to hit R down kinda hard.

Notices with Sheik:
Wavelanding on stage perfectly is more consistent for me
OOS game has improved a lot
...not much to say honestly, I keep missing L cancels with Sheik but that's because of the way I used to L cancel and I'm still learning...

Anything else you can think of I need to cover...?

 

[KirbyKaze]

My brother plays Falco now.

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

but like... why does it help with those things? i dont get it. is it just shaving down the time it takes to fully press it by a fraction of a second?