Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[ChivalRuse]

from standing, if a turnip is thrown at you, how do you catch it?

press 'A' or 'Z'?

I think both work.

at high %'s(above 100) what are sheiks best killing options/combos?

at 60-80% generally what is her safest killing combo ?

That's a broad pair of questions. The answer will vary tremendously because there are many situations in which different decisions will profit you more.

I can answer your question better if you specify, like, what character/s and stage/s you want the answers to apply to.

 

[nicaboy]

yea i hear peach ***** sheik

Na other way around. Peach can win though but a campy sheik makes it hard for her.

 

[Lawrencelot]

You catch a turnip or any other item with A if you're on the ground and with Z if you're in the air

 

[DJRome]

i think if the sheik doesn't run away and camp needles it's pretty even. but otherwise it's in sheik's favor, tho a smart peach can deal with it using a mixup of turnips and fc aerials unless it's like dl64 where the sheik has huge stage+platforms to run away

 

[Nihonjin]

Na other way around. Peach can win though but a campy sheik makes it hard for her.

Sheik does not **** Peach..>.>

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

 

[SPAWN]

Oh no, I really hope we don't get into the Sheik vs Peach matchup. I think it should be banned from talking about in this thread. Make a new thread about it lol... or just look at all the Nihonjin posts about why Peach doesn't get ***** by Sheik.

 

[Tope]

Peach definitely loses, buts its not ****.

Also against Falcos my new favorite is WD off level into instant bair

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

Na other way around. Peach can win though but a campy sheik makes it hard for her.

oh god! what have you done?!
the amsah has been awakened

 

[Nihonjin]

:embarrass

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

oh god! what have you done?!
the amsah has been awakened

Don't worry guys, I used the "Call Him A Troll" Card which lets us ignore the validity of what he is saying!



@Amsah, sorry if you don't like the pic. On second thought, i think i should have taken the picture of mango in your sig and photoshopped dreadlocks on him

 

[SPAWN]

Just went to a tournament yesterday. There's a few matches up now vs icies (KyuPuff) and Peach (Vanz).

http://www.youtube.com/darkdragooncgc

I got ***** in the first set vs Vanz so please don't critique that. The second set when that's up is much better. I did some pretty cool things in game 2 vs Vanz that some of you should take a look at. Other than that nothing special.

When all the matches are uploaded I'll hyperlink all the matches I have (vs Jiggs, Falco, Icies, Peach) Do people want to see friendlies of me vs Vanz's Marth? There's like 5 matches or so.

 

[Teczer0]

Good match vs Vanz **** was really close I like =D.

Definitely link me to the other matches when its done.

 

[SPAWN]

Thanks Tec0! :D

Since I'm going to be hyperlinking and such I'm going to make a new thread and then just post it here.

 

[GOD!]

so how do you deal with docs pills guyz?

 

[Teczer0]

I usually ftilt or throw lotsa needles against doc's pills

 

[Nihonjin]

Bair/Fair/Nair the Pill and Doc..
Oos nair Doc..
Ftilt the pill..

Spoiler

yeah I said it..

:embarrass
Jump/Duck over/under the pill..
Powershield..
Whatever works, Sheik has too many ways to deal with the pills to write it all down..

You asked the same thing before Pound, when I answered you seemed to think I was ********. I'm basically saying the exact same thing, so see what you do with it.

 

[Spife]

what about jab?
i'm also a huge fan of eating the pill and then getting cg'd or downsmashed cause I'm ****ing ********, but that seems a little counter productive...But only a little.

 

[GOD!]

It was kind of a troll post anyway.

Run around and under them all day..
I guess needles would work two. Except if the pill goes over them you just got 8%.

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

spife jab is cute but its not agressive enough. the best option are sh aerials which will hit doc if he trys to approach while your attacking the pill
i kinda like running at them and wavedashing back, sort half making it seem like the pills arent doing anything. same reason i catch peach turnips, i dont care about hitting em with them i just want to frustrate them

 

[SPAWN]

I don't like Doc pilling at me so I just make sure to constantly stay next to them LOL. Even though if you camp them your needles are better.

Critique me please. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=9936957#post9936957

I know KK has done plenty of work on giving me some advice. Any/all is helpful! ^_^ /looks at Nihonjin/Amsah and Tope and Drephen and MewtwoKing and Marc.

Also btw Sheik thread, Tec0 updated the first post with the shield pressure data and KK's post about how to **** Marth so make sure to take a look at that.

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

Moar Chain

 

[gm jack]

Probably already known, but I just found that it you grab mewtwo whilst right at the edge with your back to the edge and Dthrow, it sends him off stage. Does this work on anyone else?

 

[Tyson651]

when fox is coming with a shffl nair, what are the best options for sheik?

sh retreating fair?

wavedash back shield?

dash dance to grab/dash attack? the dash dance doesnt seem very good cause it doesnt space very much.

ftilt the nair?

i always have the worst habit of just shielding, i need some good methods to break this habit

 

[#HBC | Mac]

those sound like all good options with different utility depending on percent. if you know for a fact that he's coming in with a nair then do whatever you can to hit him lol. Except for the wd back sheild which doesn't seem to net you much except a possible shield grab which I doubt is very reliable

but i doubt you'll be in a situation where you know 100% tht he's going to SH nair at you. So I would assume SH retreating fair[on reaction] to jab/ftilt/dash somewhere if you miss. Seems like the safest option to me.

 

[soap]

when fox is coming with a shffl nair, what are the best options for sheik?

sh retreating fair?

wavedash back shield?

dash dance to grab/dash attack? the dash dance doesnt seem very good cause it doesnt space very much.

ftilt the nair?

i always have the worst habit of just shielding, i need some good methods to break this habit

mix in offensive interceptions. if u keep retreating they will account for this and space farther back.

dash attack them early, throw out nairs and fairs, my favorite is pivot into bair and just wall them out like that

 

[#HBC | Mac]

and if all those fail

cc grab him

/arc

 

[SPAWN]

Does anyone know where I can find frame data about characters grabbing the edge and then doing a move?

For example, you're on the edge trying to get back on but Fox is being the ****** character he is and not letting you on so you start camping the ledge until he goes away. He gets on the edge and shinespikes you. When can he do the shine from when he grabs the ledge from you?

 

[Tyson651]

basically instantly right after he grabs the ledge lol

also, whats ur guys' favourite approach against a fox?

just wanna know some of ur guys' tricks that i can try out

 

[gm jack]

basically instantly right after he grabs the ledge lol

also, whats ur guys' favourite approach against a fox?

just wanna know some of ur guys' tricks that i can try out

I tend to dash dance, wavedash/land around while throwing needles at any good opportunity. Fox is a character built for baiting. You have to do the same back to him or try and frustrate him so that he approaches instead.

Also to repeat my earlier findings.

Probably already known, but I just found that it you grab mewtwo whilst right at the edge with your back to the edge and Dthrow, it sends him off stage in a weak spike. Does this work on anyone else?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Can't recreate. Vids or it didn't happen.

 

[soap]

u would try it sveet

i was like, mewtwo? whatever

that would be bad if it sent them away though, u couldn't combo into fair *gasp*

 

[gm jack]

Can't recreate. Vids or it didn't happen.

It was on the left edge of battlefield.

Seen something similar in brawl, where Zelda's Dthrow will spike certain characters on certain edges due to the shape of the ledge and their body. Roll into the edge, grab and Dthrow. It should send them down and away.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

nope it doesn't.

Vids or it didn't happen.

 

[Devil Ray]

nice matches spawn. you almost had it. i remember watching your vids against cort back in '07...you got ***** hard in those haha.

sheiks need to do upsmash out of sheildddd more against puff, especially when they try to duck near you. it's 222good.

 

[AnDaLe]

so did anyone watch M2K's recent sheik vids, specifically against kels set 1.3?

 

[weslo]

what am I suppose to do against Jiggs. -_-

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

so did anyone watch M2K's recent sheik vids, specifically against kels set 1.3?

i watched it live

 

[KirbyKaze]

what am I suppose to do against Jiggs. -_-

Chuck crap at her and make sure you're positioned so your move(s) goes under her Bair or you're dropping on her head. You're mostly going to use aerials.

Be extremely, excruciatingly careful about dropping on her head because Puff's Uair is hardly connected to her body at all and combos into Rest and Sheik doesn't like that.

Only grab if it's completely obvious that the grab will 100% work. Otherwise don't. The reward of getting a grab is 20%. The penalty for failing is a whole stock. So don't attempt grabs in positions where you can be penalized for doing so. If they F-smash your shield, sure. If they forget they're Jigglypuff and tilt or whatever, sure. But if they're smart, you won't get many chances to grab. That's just how it is.

Needle grab sucks against Puff. It is about as transparent as your mother's lingerie so don't try to do it much if ever. You need to hit two needles on a ducking Puff to combo into grab, which makes it unnecessarily complicated too.

 

[weslo]

I'm honestly going to ask this, does Luigi have a better chance against Puff? Even tho I only 2nd him I would still like to know. This MU is irritating for both of my mains really.