Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

hmm it seems to still be decent as a feint

 

[Kira-]

1 test in AR, it works at 83% (after throw dmg) but stops sometime between 85% and 95%

with no DI

what about DI-ing behind them? How long does it take to turn around grab? (assuming it's done frame perfectly of course)

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

1 extra frame, but i'm too lazy to retest it because its 5am. Maybe if a lot of people are curious and ask me to test it i'll do it tomorrow.

 

[SPAWN]

I'm curious!!! That 1 extra frame could mean a good amount more damage out!!!!

 

[Tope]

if they sheik you're playing against is a scrub when you get to like 85 you can just nair them after the dthrow with no di

and then capitalize!

 

[KirbyKaze]

You could also U-smash and KO them off the roof.

 

[Twin_A]

Or I would assume the classic fair to fair or fair to grab edge and hold because sheiks recovery lag is horrible XP

thanks for answering my question :D

 

[KirbyKaze]

If you have tech skill, U-smash KO is better because they'll DIE

 

[Twin_A]

Depending on the stage would it need to be a tippered U smash or just a slightly charged one? And with DI, wouldn't they live on stages such as FoD and dreamland meaning the hit off stage is more likely to rack up damage or kill?

 

[pockyD]

if they don't DI you get the sweetspot usmash

if they DI away, you get a regrab

the DI away regrab goes to something ridiculous like 130+ or something iirc (although you lose the sweetspot usmash before then)

 

[KirbyKaze]

Depending on the stage would it need to be a tippered U smash or just a slightly charged one? And with DI, wouldn't they live on stages such as FoD and dreamland meaning the hit off stage is more likely to rack up damage or kill?

Sheik sweetspot U-smash is stronger than Fox's so if you hit it at like 85 it's basically guaranteed KO barring Dreamland, fast fallers, and dumb levels.

You would need sweetspot U-smash because the non-sweetspot U-smash blows and is horrible.

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

anyone else feel that stage striking just bones marth against sheik? just clip off yoshis and fod and hes toast
second how should i respond to multi shines from falco against my shield?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

buffer a roll

 

[Twin_A]

Time a nair out of sheild or roll.

2:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsyMOKNrlI0

 

[LooksLikePit]

downsmash obv

 

[pockyD]

anyone else feel that stage striking just bones marth against sheik? just clip off yoshis and fod and hes toast

that's because sheik > marth

it has relatively little to do with stage striking

 

[KirbyKaze]

I slash FoD and FD usually.

But that has to do with personal comfort.

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

i suppose, but i feel i get more of an advantage with stage striking against marth then say... cf. dunno maybe ive got some big bias goin on

 

[pockyD]

that's because sheik already ***** falcon everywhere

 

[Kira-]

ban yoshi's and FD and marth is toast

falcon you dont need to ban anything because you beat him on every stage as pocky said

also you can just grab/nair after the falco has eventually messed up his multishine

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'm spiteful so I'd still axe Dreamland.

 

[SPAWN]

I hate Falcon. I wish my techchasing was better lol.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I was talking about Falcon.

 

[Ministry]

i cant win on pokemon stadium

 

[SPAWN]

i cant win on pokemon stadium

I ban stadium in almost every situation.

KK, you're too quick. I changed my post within like 10 seconds or so LOL.

 

[The Mighty Kiwi]

I've been maining Falcon for a while now with a secondary of Sheik. I'm propably equally skilled with both of them.

Do you guys think I should switch to maining Sheik?

 

[soap]

how many kiwi sheik players are there?

 

[The Mighty Kiwi]

how many kiwi sheik players are there?

I thought there were only two including me.

 

[soap]

u could be right....

*changes name to kiwi123*

 

[KirbyKaze]

This thread needs more M2Kiwi

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

lemme revamp this thread..
so how many frames will it take (starting from say a running 'stance'') to go from facing an opponent to a fullhopped, needle cancelled, turned, back air to uh... foxes face?
also do people still mess with opponents recoveries with needles? i never see that anymore for some reason, just aerial guards and throwing them back off again

 

[soap]

lemme revamp this thread..
so how many frames will it take (starting from say a running 'stance'') to go from facing an opponent to a fullhopped, needle cancelled, turned, back air to uh... foxes face?

too many...

why fullhop? is her shorthop not high enough for you?

and who cares how many exact frames it is. it should'nt take any longer than a normal shffl bair assuming u needle turn on the way up. frames are not relevant in this situation.

a useful frame question is like, how big is the window between perfect spaced dtilt tips on shield.

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

i just want a vague idea on how much time i need to fly off the ledge and bair a high recovering fox

 

[Lawrencelot]

i just want a vague idea on how much time i need to fly off the ledge and bair a high recovering fox

Use shorthop for that, and double jump if you see he's recovering high

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

what about the needles bit? ill shoot em if they are coming in straight, and if they are at the right lower angle ill do a falling fair (next to bair->fair thats my favorite kill to do ^.^), but what about other low angles?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

i have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say.

Teczero uses needles vs spacies when they try to illusion or sweetspot from uphigh with firefox

its really annoying.

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

i was just asking if sheiks still use needles to mess up recoveries, all i seem to see is waiting for you opponent to get near the stage and then just hit them back

 

[xbombr]

I use needles in my spacie edgegaurds and against Falcon kick/Wizards foot recoveries. If I can't get in position quick enough, I'll use them against Marth.

Generally aerials are more rewarding since they work against more characters and are almost always the end of a stock.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Yeah teczero does it so that they have to recover low, then ***** your face wiht bairs and nairs.

its gay

 

[Lordydennek]

Question: When using needles on stage against ppl to get grabs off would i jump>fastfall>needle
or just jump>charge needles>release when close to ground. i cant tell whats best.