Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[JPOBS]

well you can and you cant.

it wouldnt be a "true" CC but you can input ASDI downwards during any animations/lag and at low percents, thats enough to give the "crouch cancel" effect but its not as good and breaks earlier than literally being in the crouch animation.

edit: that was meant for plank

 

[Teczer0]

Plank - I dunno the exact mechanics or whatever.

I've done this to scar though and he literally just falls back down for me to tech chase him again. I thought it had to be CC because if he didn't he'd just pop up into a grab. *shrugs*

Cosmo - A JC upsmash for the tipper sounds plausible. Though I'm not 100% sure if its possible. You could hit with a strong nair or tilt into fair I suppose.

 

[Plairnkk]

usmash works at some percents but only if people dont jump out fast enough i think

 

[LooksLikePit]

nobody has answered my question yet

 

[Plairnkk]

you should stop being an *** and use neither

 

[Cosmo!]

I know at high% if they don't DI far away you can do utilt -> strong uair and it KOs off the top... does the utilt hit them if they DI fully behind? I suppose fair is the best option in they DI full forwards.... and I don't know when to use ftilt after a dthrow

this is for sheik vs sheik where chaingrabbing is allowed

 

[JPOBS]

For arguments sake, lets say I can't tech-chase on reaction a spacey who techs in place then shines,

if you predict they are going to tech in place, is it more worthwhile to re-grab, or upsmash (or other option)? JPOBS is convinced that if he CC's the upsmash, he can always get away, but I think it gives you more damage with the same "tech-chase on reaction" possibilities.

So, upsmash or re-grab?

also the wording of this wuestion doesnt really make much sense.

you're saying "assuming i cant grab a tech in place, but i know he's going to tech in place, should i just upsmash him" in which case the obvious answer is yes

the bigger problem we were discussing was, if sheik (excusing player skill/limitations) has the ability to grab falco from a tech in place on reaction, then would that be better than upsmashing.

Because again, you'd have to know/guess that the falco was going to tech in place to upsmash because otherwise you blow your combo. Whereas, if it was actually possible to just grab the falco on reaction to a tech in place, then you should do that because it would allow you to actually hit me no matter what.

so the bigger question is CAN sheik grab falco tech in pace ON REACTION or is it impossible?

 

[Teczer0]

I know at high% if they don't DI far away you can do utilt -> strong uair and it KOs off the top... does the utilt hit them if they DI fully behind? I suppose fair is the best option in they DI full forwards.... and I don't know when to use ftilt after a dthrow

this is for sheik vs sheik where chaingrabbing is allowed

Don't ftilt if they DI fully away. It might put them outta range for fair. If they do any other DI I the follow up fair will hit regardless.

I mean assuming you're doing this directly after chaingrabbing I'm not sure if uptilt upair will kill (Doesn't it stop around like 70?)

But its worth a shot. I think the best idea if to somehow throw sheik off stage and just hit then **** them.

 

[Cosmo!]

so in conclusion, ftilt -> fair if any DI except full away

if full away, run sh fair?

 

[LooksLikePit]

you should stop being an *** and use neither

well you lost to a pichu

so I will use both

ha

 

[SPAWN]

I wanna know what's the best DI to get out of the chaingrab and the percents for each one.

It's either no di or slight behind.

Edit: In sheik dittos

 

[Teczer0]

so in conclusion, ftilt -> fair if any DI except full away

if full away, run sh fair?

Basically....

Thats all that comes to mind at least.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

did tec0 correct someones english?

dont believe it

 

[Teczer0]

Believe it *****.

Don't be sayin that **** and be ****in your grammar up.

****en Fox mains.

Spawn - I thought the best was no DI? Though I'm quite curious myself.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Im finna report you for abuse power.

 

[Teczer0]

lolwut?

Hey stop having awful spelling so we can understand you.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Anyone who is hip would be able to understand me noob.

so sheik is **** in teams.

 

[Tope]

yo, this game isn't that hard... i promise

in everymatchup just dthrow... sheesh

 

[Ministry]

so the bigger question is CAN sheik grab falco tech in pace ON REACTION or is it impossible?

you can react to any tech or non tech a spacy does on reaction, its just about listening to the sounds and looking for the animation

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

that sounds amazing

i love that song

haha victory!
bonus is you could do "jumper" and just feature gimping.
i have the greatest ace up my sleeve for my ylink and sheik, im just waiting to get good enough so that its legit

 

[SPAWN]

Spawn - I thought the best was no DI? Though I'm quite curious myself.[/COLOR]

I mean, usually people **** up turning around when chaingrabbing and don't do it frame perfect since everyone just expects you to full di away.



So eventually (once I'm out of school and have free time over the summer) what I'll do once I get my Action Replay is:

-Make a video on how to do the upb cancel on ledges

-Find out each percent when Sheik can get out of her chaingrab with slight di behind and finding out if they do it perfectly or they mess up by 1 frame, 2 frames, etc. I want to know when to hit the jump button to get out of it too.

-Learn to play as Falco pretty much perfectly. I'm going to probably just put the computer as having infinite armor and then practice my mix-ups since my shield pressure aside from lasers is kind of lacking.

-Insert some other random thought that I wanted to know but just forgot because I am supposed to be in school but haven't left yet so I'm rushing this post LOL.

 

[xbombr]

yo, this game isn't that hard... i promise

in everymatchup just dthrow... sheesh

IC's? Jigglypuff?

 

[Spife]

Spawn, I teeter cancled an up-b and I think I edge canceled one, (but I might have been pushed off) this weekend) :3

 

[soap]

IC's? Jigglypuff?

dthrow ***** both of them... when u grab them that is

 

[ChivalRuse]

Jiggs is impossible to grab.

 

[Plairnkk]

thats not true

i wish she was impossible to grab

if she was impossible to grab id at least lose the temptation to grab and lose my stock.

however, she is possible to grab, its just only like 50% of the time.

and then 50% of the time u die

 

[Teczer0]

Soooooooooooooooooooooooo not worth trying though.

Plank you'd be better off just pretending its not possible

 

[NJzFinest]

I need to play a good Puff.

All of the ones I've played get grabbed by me.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Puff does actually need to shield in that match-up. It's pretty funny.

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

didnt we discover a way to grab crouching puffs?

 

[Ministry]

Pause then unplug their controller

 

[soap]

Puff does actually need to shield in that match-up. It's pretty funny.

i do the good ol empty sh grab. they shield expecting a fair, and even if they don't u r spaced far enough away where u may not get rested. maybe faired

 

[Nihonjin]

Pause then unplug their controller

I lol'd.

Sad, but true...

 

[Twin_A]

I usually just jab before attempting a grab against them. If the jab hits then its open game. Or just wait for the crouching animation to end and react.

jiggs is still gay to play against though >.>

 

[KirbyKaze]

If they CC Rest the Jab you will die.

 

[how2smashbrothers]

what's the point where fair stops autocancelling? really f-up's my l-cancelling

is the input for shino stall just down up+b down? sometimes i fly by the ledge on the way down.

what's the fastest option oos? nair?

for reverse needle cancel is it tap other direction hold b press shield? sometimes i dont stop charging.

does bair autocancel ever?

that's it for now. <3

 

[Kaffei]

what's the point where fair stops autocancelling? really f-up's my l-cancelling

is the input for shino stall just down up+b down? sometimes i fly by the ledge on the way down.

what's the fastest option oos? nair?

for reverse needle cancel is it tap other direction hold b press shield? sometimes i dont stop charging.

does bair autocancel ever?

that's it for now. <3

Who cares about auto canceling just L cancel everything.
For shino stall I just hold SLIGHTLY to the left or right depending on what side of the stage I'm on, this makes me fall off and then I immediately up b, and tilt the control stick on to edge.

 

[Teczer0]

Auto canceling is quite good depending on when or what you use it on.

Not only that its helpful to know when it causes it so you don't accidentally shield every time.

I honestly dunno the frame data thing so *shrugs*

 

[how2smashbrothers]

because i light shield every time i try to l cancel when it would've autocanceled... (i use z if that matters)

 

[Teczer0]

what's the point where fair stops autocancelling? really f-up's my l-cancelling

is the input for shino stall just down up+b down? sometimes i fly by the ledge on the way down.

what's the fastest option oos? nair?

for reverse needle cancel is it tap other direction hold b press shield? sometimes i dont stop charging.

does bair autocancel ever?

that's it for now. <3

Getting to your other questions...

Shino stall can be done with either down/up or you can use back to give yourself more air time?

I dunno the answer to the frame questions =(

Yes reverse needle is that, if you use Z it might be why (Not positive) but yea you have the gist of it.

Bair probably autocancels but dunno to frame stuff.