Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[JPOBS]

If they CC Rest the Jab you will die.

they can do that?

i would have thought jab was too fast/ended quickly enough that you wouldnt get rested.

lol sheik has it so bad vs puff.

<3 foxy woxy <3

 

[DJRome]

jab takes forever to end actually. plus rest is 1 frame

 

[DtJ Jungle]

they can cc rest anything

 

[KirbyKaze]

they can do that?

i would have thought jab was too fast/ended quickly enough that you wouldnt get rested.

lol sheik has it so bad vs puff.

<3 foxy woxy <3

Moves misses Puff and overlaps her body when it misses. Puff has frame 1 punish.

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Obviously it's not that simple but seriously ?????????????????????????

Alternative is

Move hits crouching Puff and does zero stun because it's extremely weak. Move has about 10+ frames of lag. Move is then overlapping her body. Puff has frame 1 punish.

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[JPOBS]

lol true.

sheik sucks.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Sheik doesn't suck you just have to pretend that Puff's duck is immune to ground moves or you'll be tempted to use them and the trade is extremely poor.

 

[JPOBS]

how does dsmash fair?

no pun intended lol

 

[pockyD]

what would the pun be?

and i think jiggs can just shield => rest a dsmash; i know they can definitely at least shield => aerial

 

[Kira-]

the pun was definitely intended

or else it would've been "fare"

 

[JPOBS]

lol it would be fare.

**** i suck at engrish.

 

[KirbyKaze]

If Jigglypuff absorbs a hit of the D-smash without being knocked over she can CC F-smash or jump and Rest you in the lag if she's good. In addition to just shielding it and punishing it OOS with guaranteed aerial and Rest depending on how many hits touch her shield and stuff.

 

[Ministry]

downsmash is good near an edge when shes trying to get back on, if u space it right its a good killing move at higher percents

 

[soap]

what's the point where fair stops autocancelling? really f-up's my l-cancelling

is the input for shino stall just down up+b down? sometimes i fly by the ledge on the way down.

what's the fastest option oos? nair?

for reverse needle cancel is it tap other direction hold b press shield? sometimes i dont stop charging.

does bair autocancel ever?

that's it for now. <3

for the fair. u can do it at about the top of the short hop and fastfall at the same time and have it autocancel and still smack medium sized char on the ground. (i use it on falco but not fox so much if thats any reference)

it is very useful i think. it helps u counter people who sidestep or roll around your fairs.

 

[Lordydennek]

ok so im getting outplayed by a falcon...and im unhappy about it. I was ftilting thru his appraoches and nairing and doing things all nice and gay. but the he found out how to space and now is beating me. he keeps punishing my ftilts HARD wheni miss. should i just play more defensive?

 

[Plairnkk]

the only way he can be punishing ur ftilts is if you are whiffing them and he is dash dancing. you need to stop his dding with some needles or bait him out of it and ftilt then ;D

 

[Cia]

falcon is douchebag. I recommend Uthrow > Uair > rest

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

ok so im getting outplayed by a falcon...and im unhappy about it. I was ftilting thru his appraoches and nairing and doing things all nice and gay. but the he found out how to space and now is beating me. he keeps punishing my ftilts HARD wheni miss. should i just play more defensive?

needle him from the start and make him approach. even without the techchase it would probably be 65-35 because of how grossly sheiks tilts and nair out prioritizes his EVERYTHING.
if hes tricking you i would throw needles if hes on the ground.. or maybe even not. if i dont know what a falcon is trying to do i usually try to make them stop with flurries of needles

 

[NJzFinest]

I don't understand how you're supposed to beat a laser camping / dair loving Falco.

***** too hard on stage.

I also hate how Sheik is such a combo bag -_-

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

floaty characters have such an edge>.>

 

[soap]

I don't understand how you're supposed to beat a laser camping / dair loving Falco.

***** too hard on stage.

I also hate how Sheik is such a combo bag -_-

learn how to be a ninja

 

[Spife]

even though it's not applicable all the time, sh nair over lasers vs falco is a heck of a lot of fun.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

^^^ i dont know who i picked that up from but i like it too

 

[#HBC | Mac]

its a pretty good option oos if you think falco is going to approach after a laser. But i don't think it's really applicable otherwise

 

[Teczer0]

Why not?

It stays out forever pretty much, if you don't FF it the move auto cancels. It spaces quite well.

I think it can be used a pretty good amount. Its kinda like bair's counterpart.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Everything is useless

Nairing over Falco's Dair and Nair is okay

 

[xbombr]

I like spamming Down B when I get lasers shot at me and then johning that heart containers weren't turned on.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

If you miss, falco gets a free laser -> anything.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

i prefer powershielding but it depends on the day how good i am at doing it

 

[soap]

Why not?

It stays out forever pretty much, if you don't FF it the move auto cancels. It spaces quite well.

I think it can be used a pretty good amount. Its kinda like bair's counterpart.

u really know your moves.

if u hit falco with it make sure u space it out of CC shine territory

 

[Spife]

If you miss, falco gets a free laser -> anything.

but if you hit you turn into jiggly for 1 frame and fall asleep on him and he dies. Fair trade imo

 

[Ministry]

just crouch powersheild falcos dair aproaches and lasers

step 1 duck
step 2 let go of duck
step 3 click R
step 4 capitalize

i dont know why more sheiks dont do it its so easy

 

[Mew2King]

just fair from platforms a lot they can't grab it

(vs ICs)

there that's the whole matchup

 

[Teczer0]

You can low shoot lasers so its not as effective.

I do it when I'm really far away. Otherwise I don't think its as useful.

Jason that was maaaaad random LOL

 

[DtJ Jungle]

....the **** m2k

 

[SPAWN]

I wanna talk theory with M2k so I can further my understanding of Sheik/Falco vs X character.

 

[Kira-]

nair is like the best move against falco

 

[SPAWN]

nair is like the best move against falco

At nonlow percents, yes.

Falcos like to cc more than most characters imo.

Normal Falco mindset:

1) I like to downair
2) I really like to shine
3) ???
4) Profit

In conclusion, what Falcos think, if I use down moves then they'll make me profit.

 

[JPOBS]

just crouch powersheild falcos dair aproaches and lasers

step 1 duck
step 2 let go of duck
step 3 click R
step 4 capitalize

i dont know why more sheiks dont do it its so easy

i dont get how this is applicable

even if you're PS'ing lasers from across the stages, the falco is just gonna keep shooting cuz its not a threat

and its not like you can approach and do this because the action of run->duck->letgo->sheild sounds janky as hell

 

[Kaffei]

How do I fight jiggs

 

[LooksLikePit]

HEY GUYS

WHAT IF THE CHARACTER YOU SELECTED WAS SHEIK AND WHEN YOU PRESSED DOWN B YOU TURNED INTO ZELDA

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