kupo15
Smash Hero
Yea, that is the point. It works pretty well. Hopefully people can play around with it xD
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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
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Rykard
Smash Ace
doc's down air completely out prioritizes the fire fox and fire bird cause its amazing like that
TresChikon
Smash Lord
If they go high just mash B faster if they go low, just drop, if they go mid just hover.
Game Set.
Game Set.
otg
Smash Master
I did this exact thing to Mogwai's falco this one time, and it was recorded but he somehow lost the recording/is unwilling to post it online cause of how **** it is.
As for whether or not it's practical in an actual battle..... no.
Shroomed
Smash Master
D-tilt stagespiking is more humiliating
but their DI has to be on some other **** for that to work
but their DI has to be on some other **** for that to work
Rykard
Smash Ace
west coast?
unknown522
Some guy
I've never gotten it to work after 2005.
Not even on PeterX (the guy who keeps getting combo'd by raynex and various other players).
otg
Smash Master
So yeah, ... about that.
There are some new eggz vids playing mario. Looking pretty legit.
There are some new eggz vids playing mario. Looking pretty legit.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
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otg
Smash Master
those sound like some johns to me.
boss8
Smash Hero
where is the link OTG...
otg
Smash Master
in the falco boards
Gea
Smash Master
Or you could click that little arrow next to Eggz name in the quoted post.
otg
Smash Master
*SNOOOOOOORE* doc boards wtf?
Ftilt is super good, let's talk about that.
Ftilt is super good, let's talk about that.
otg
Smash Master
ftilt will knock people on the ground sometimes, and this leads to tech chases which leads to ****. Also, it's amazing for edgeguarding.
*Looks at vulcan's avatar*
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But yeah, jab->f.tilt is soooo much better than jab->d.smash when hitting a shield. I mean that seems obvious, but you wanted to talk about f.tilts.
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But yeah, jab->f.tilt is soooo much better than jab->d.smash when hitting a shield. I mean that seems obvious, but you wanted to talk about f.tilts.
No.
That's okay though, I can expect somewhere as landlocked as Minnesota to not know a good deal about pirates.
Arrr.
Silent Wolf
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jab utilt > jab ftilt
JPOBS
Smash Hero
uptilt ruins fox gg.
otg
Smash Master
except when they bait it and punish you for it.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Does Fox Bair > Doc U-tilt?
I don't remember if it does or not.
I don't remember if it does or not.
otg
Smash Master
It might trade. Utilt has some pretty beautiful priority.
1048576
Smash Master
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Up-B out of shield was working pretty well against my Fox's pillaring the other day. You guys might be onto something.
Can Doc cancel the Up-B such that he stays on the ground? If you could do that consistently, you might have found a way to ruin one of the Spacies' best approaches.
Can Doc cancel the Up-B such that he stays on the ground? If you could do that consistently, you might have found a way to ruin one of the Spacies' best approaches.
Lixivium
Smash Champion
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Up-B canceling is insanely hard to do. I know that people can super-wavedash pretty consistently but missing an Up-B gets you punished a lot harder.
Shroomed
Smash Master
You better be dam sure you can upB cancel if you plan to try
If you miss, free combo or kill cookies for the enemy
If you miss, free combo or kill cookies for the enemy
ranmaru
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Haha funny, I can UpB cancel consistently but can't super wave dash consistently. **** IT! And plus your not supposed to really do it that much. Maybe once OOS if you feel like you can. I'm sure I wouldn't be able to pull it off on someone unless they were just standing there. But thats not gonna happen. I just gotta randomly UpB cancel or something. :]
Gea
Smash Master
I love this thread so much.
Scidadle
Smash Champion
So...
I keep getting scooped by falcons upair when recovering and getting my pills plowed through with knees also while recovering?
TIPS??? HALP
I keep getting scooped by falcons upair when recovering and getting my pills plowed through with knees also while recovering?
TIPS??? HALP
otg
Smash Master
I like caping backwards while recovering so I can use Bair to defend myself as I make it back. That might help you a bit in recovering. Try to DI really well so you're in the air floating for awhile before you make it back, that should help a ton.
Scidadle
Smash Champion
Hmm, didn't even think of bairs.
Thanks
Thanks
Gea
Smash Master
He can still trade hits or just uair you. Just a forewarning.
otg
Smash Master
Yeah definitely, I was just stating that with a well timed bair you can probably beat him out before he even throws anything out. Dair is pretty solid too, although I think that Falcon's uair will beat that out pretty much if he spaces it right. What you really need to do if you don't want to get ***** super hard is to DI super well so you recover high and have more options when coming down.
It's called a s***ty recovery. That's what I've been trying to tell people for years about doc.
As long as falcon (or alot of characters) can correctly guess where you're going, you cant do ANYTHING about it. You'll usually trade at best with them (which you lose all trades on your recovery).
So the real answer to what to do about it is mixup your recovery to TRY to throw them off.
Problem is, as long as you play somebody who actually KNOWS how to edgeguard doc, it really doenst matter. (Because there are easy stop-all edgeguards on doc)
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BUT FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW, MIXUP EDGEGUARDS, TRY DIFFERENT STUFF, TRY SOME D.AIRS TO CALL BAD SPACING LOL AND PROFIT.