Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!

[ssbbFICTION]

If you do the cape early enough it turns around the long end of attacks :O

 

[anthony000]

you have to camp her. Punish her when she throws out a slow move. Cape her turnips when she throws them to force her to jump or shield it. Space f-air on her when she jumps too.

^^^This. Pills are beyond necessary in this matchup.

 

[VGmasta]

How do you play Peach with Doc

Cape all those annoying vegetables she throws and look for the openings after she tries Down-smashing. As long as you shield her down smash you should be able to jump or wavedash out of shield with an attack or grab. Keep that girl on birth control too (Feed her pills, pills, and more pills)! If she floats in the air, you can staircase pills or spam B-airs if she's floating low enough to the ground.

Wow the cape is so underused!

I think the cape is a risky move in certain situations. Aside from edgeguarding and deflecting projectiles, I only use the cape in two situations:

1) If I expect an opponent to perform a grounded attack that takes a long time to recover from and that doesn't cover both sides of the character. For example, If I expect a spin attack from Link or a Leg Whip (D-smash) from Ganondorf I wouldn't bother using the cape because those attacks cover both sides of those characters which destroys the purpose of turning them around. But a F-smash from Link, Ganondorf and other characters is really useful because they are wide open with their backs turned to you!

2) If most of the characters happen to miss an Up-B attack I'll cape them on their way back down to the ground just to rack the free 12% if they are not at high percents already. Caping them on their way down from Up-B causes them to fall even slower because of the cape's hit-lag, making it easy to punish opponents after the cape!

Other than that caping aerials doesn't pay off alot of times unless you catch them at the very beginning of their jump (I'm still kinda iffy about that). Caping shielded opponents only pays off if your doesn't know how to jump out of shield with an attack(And some people don't) OR if your opponent is using Yoshi since Yoshi has the inability of jumping out of shield.

 

[Shroomed]

if you're jumping at someone and assume they're gonna shield grab, cape them instead

they'll grab nothing and you'll probably have enough time to do some punishment

 

[Desh]

if you're jumping at someone and assume they're gonna shield grab, cape them instead

they'll grab nothing and you'll probably have enough time to do some punishment

i was screwing around with this alot the other day. Caping sheilds is really good when you do it at the right time.


Oh and i broke a samus's sheild w/ doc in brackets ! =D lololol

 

[InterimOfZeal]

Get owned, samus player.

Did he forget about up-b existing?

 

[otg]

I actually had my first legit shield break yesterday... but I was Falco.

 

[Shroomed]

I actually had my first legit shield break yesterday... but I was Falco.

upair > jab, rinse, lather, repeat.......shield break by some miracle of someone thinking they're trapped =D

 

[Desh]

Lol i just had him in his sheild a lot, i broke it with a rising dair behind him >fair =/ Pretty sure thats what it was. That was the end of the match too yay fsmash =]

 

[St. Viers]

I broke someone's shield w/ doc, simply by camping w/ pills and d-air, then empty SH (baiting shield) to f-smash.

I suck at this game though, and I left my cube in NH...gah

 

[C 3]

Lol i just had him in his sheild a lot, i broke it with a rising dair behind him >fair =/ Pretty sure thats what it was. That was the end of the match too yay fsmash =]

upair > jab, rinse, lather, repeat.......shield break by some miracle of someone thinking they're trapped =D

I broke someone's shield w/ doc, simply by camping w/ pills and d-air, then empty SH (baiting shield) to f-smash.

I suck at this game though, and I left my cube in NH...gah

Why your opponent's couldn't simply roll is beyond me.

 

[KirbyKaze]

^ this is why I facepalm whenever I hear about a Kirby breaking someone's shield.

*COUGH*DOGYSAMICH*COUGH*

I mean.

Hi.

 

[unknown522]

^^^This. Pills are beyond necessary in this matchup.

I also forgot, C 3 reminded me that d-smash when she's floating, you can possibly get some good low damage kills through edgeguarding that way.

upair > jab, rinse, lather, repeat.......shield break by some miracle of someone thinking they're trapped =D

Lol i just had him in his sheild a lot, i broke it with a rising dair behind him >fair =/ Pretty sure thats what it was. That was the end of the match too yay fsmash =]

I broke someone's shield w/ doc, simply by camping w/ pills and d-air, then empty SH (baiting shield) to f-smash.

I suck at this game though, and I left my cube in NH...gah

lol, I broke this player called runawayfire's shield in teams with raynex back in '07. They CP'd mushroom kingdom 2 in GFs at a biweekly and I threw an explosive egg at him and it broke his shield. He was jiggs, making it even more awesome. Raynex and I in the same match also did up-smash -> f-smash shield break on him. It was jokes.

There were other shield breaks here and there, but I forget them.

 

[RaynEX]

Shield camp = Shield break. It sucks especially for Jiggs. baha

 

[Shroomed]

i've never broken a shield

i jus said that

 

[KirbyKaze]

Not even when you were 13 years old and playing with bomb-ombs with your friends on Hyrule?

 

[KAOSTAR]

i've never broken a shield

i jus said that

Ive never broken one with doc.

or played him in the past ever other than to show the cape glitch on getups from the ledge.


*runs away*

 

[anthony000]

^^^ Timeout, that's a glitch? Been doin that for a minute now.

 

[VGmasta]

if you're jumping at someone and assume they're gonna shield grab, cape them instead

they'll grab nothing and you'll probably have enough time to do some punishment

That technique does work really well against people who don't know about the cape like that. The guy I play against is so good at reacting to my cape by jumping out of shield with an aerial though.

 

[Desh]

Then dont run at him with cape if you think hes gonna sheild lol.
I mean, your gonna get shield grabbed if you do an arial, hit if you cape, so just dont do either lol.

 

[JPOBS]

yea for real just grab shields all dai

 

[Dogysamich]

^ this is why I facepalm whenever I hear about a Kirby breaking someone's shield.

*COUGH*DOGYSAMICH*COUGH*
.

Hey, dont look at me, look at the fox player who got his shield broke by a kirby in a crew battle.
​

 

[unknown522]

Hey, dont look at me, look at the fox player who got his shield broke by a kirby in a crew battle.
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LOL, that's awesome.

 

[St. Viers]

That technique does work really well against people who don't know about the cape like that. The guy I play against is so good at reacting to my cape by jumping out of shield with an aerial though.

Or space the cape, like you should be doing w/ any attack--it has pretty huge range, unlike many of doc's moves >_>

If you dash, jump cape forward and hold back, you can hit w/ the tip of the cape, not move too close (much easier and intuitive than it sounds. Also, you can do it as you then touch the ground, so you can CC any attempt to aerial OOS after the attack.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Hey, dont look at me, look at the fox player who got his shield broke by a kirby in a crew battle.
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I'm actually not sure what I'd do if that happened.

I'd probably push them to the edge and swallow them lol. Or F-smash if they still have a stock leftover.

 

[soap]

i broke zjiins ice climber shield in a money match by just spacing repeated fairs quickly.

he pops up on a platform and i hop up and start to charge an usmash, nana jumps up dsmashes me and i die. >.>

 

[Dogysamich]

I'm actually not sure what I'd do if that happened.

I'd probably push them to the edge and swallow them lol. Or F-smash if they still have a stock leftover.

I think I wound up doing like, taunt -> SS hammer. Something ridiculous like that.

 

[VGmasta]

yea for real just grab shields all dai

Yea, I'm finding that shieldgrabs/dash grabs are Docs best friend. Especially vs. high tiers.

 

[ssbbFICTION]

Yea, I'm finding that shieldgrabs/dash grabs are Docs best friend. Especially vs. high tiers.

No i think he meant to grab them when they shield lol.

 

[St. Viers]

yeah, trying to shieldgrab fox or falco is a nigh impossible task, as is SGing a properly spacing marth, and to lesser extent (b/n-air) shiek.

 

[VGmasta]

No i think he meant to grab them when they shield lol.

Yeah I know. That's what I meant by dash grab (to run and grab a shielding opponent). I just put shield grabbing too because that helps me win in alot of situations. But yea, landing a grab can be difficult due to Doc's small grab range. Sorry if I wasn't clear before.

Or space the cape, like you should be doing w/ any attack--it has pretty huge range, unlike many of doc's moves >_>

If you dash, jump cape forward and hold back, you can hit w/ the tip of the cape, not move too close (much easier and intuitive than it sounds. Also, you can do it as you then touch the ground, so you can CC any attempt to aerial OOS after the attack.

Hmmm... But CCing attacks... But that wouldn't work if your damage is too high right?! That's an interesting technique though. Some attacks OoS will probably miss since Doc is ducking (attempting to CC).

 

[Desh]

Yea, I'm finding that shieldgrabs/dash grabs are Docs best friend. Especially vs. high tiers.

You aren't playing many good high tier players are you D: -talkin bout the shield grab thing.

 

[otg]

I shield grab Jesus all dai.

 

[Desh]

Jesus is a scrub.
Yeah.
I said it.

 

[otg]

Jesus is a scrub.
Yeah.
I said it.

You evidentally didn't notice the sarcasm in my post.

 

[KirbyKaze]

yeah, trying to shieldgrab fox or falco is a nigh impossible task, as is SGing a properly spacing marth, and to lesser extent (b/n-air) shiek.

Trying to shield-grab Sheik is a futile effort.

 

[P.C. Jona]

yo where can i find the hitbox of the super sheet/cape w/e

i wanna see what it looks like but i cant find anything

 

[Vulcan55]

It's like, all, WOOOSH.

 

[P.C. Jona]

thats pretty ****

 

[Strong Badam]

Trying to shield-grab with Doctor Mario is a futile effort.

lol fixed.