Rapax
Smash Apprentice
May I suggest this thread?
It is way clearer and more accurate than the current Link frame data thread in the OP.
It is way clearer and more accurate than the current Link frame data thread in the OP.
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COMPLETE Frame Data Directory
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phi1ny3
Not the Mama
I'll admit I haven't been able to get to matters within smash lab itself besides some frame data here and there, but I've been making up for it by teaching people how to read PSA/OSA and how to hack their Wii for frame advance, so that hopefully compensates 
School kicks your butt sometimes, and you often have to halt your smash research/little contributions for irl stuff
School kicks your butt sometimes, and you often have to halt your smash research/little contributions for irl stuff
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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http://opensa.dantarion.com/autoframe/
^This should be translated or something. You can understand it yourself if you look around a bit, but somethings need confirmation I think. Like if animation ends on frame 50, does that mean you can start another move on that exact frame which really makes the whole animation reall 49 frames? Those sort of things.
^This should be translated or something. You can understand it yourself if you look around a bit, but somethings need confirmation I think. Like if animation ends on frame 50, does that mean you can start another move on that exact frame which really makes the whole animation reall 49 frames? Those sort of things.
NO-IDea
Smash Lord
OMG.... is that what I think it is?!
Frame data for all characters?!!??!?!?!!?!?!??!?!?!?!?
How accurate is that?!
Frame data for all characters?!!??!?!?!!?!?!??!?!?!?!?
How accurate is that?!
rPSIvysaur
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It's in PSA format, so you'll have to figure out the timers and what not. I suggest you read this before trying to figure out the in game frames:
[collapse="Understanding PSA Frames vs. Game Frames"]
Alright, so we all know that in PSA, you can view the frame data for characters. However, the way this works can confuse lots of people. Things such as ZSS's and Squirtle's "0 Frame" Jabs, when we just consider them frame 1. So instead we adopted the system of adding one to what we see in PSA.
However, is this completely correct to just add 1? No.
People that say that ZSS's Jab comes out frame 0 are technically correct. However, the frame 0 is a misconception. It is actually the PSA frame 0. In PSA, the frames is spits out are not actually the frames seen in game. Instead, they are the parts in-between each frame. They are the inputs. So I would rather refer to the number that PSA spits out as "input" so ZSS's Jab would be considered Frame 1, Input 0.
For the rest, refer to this visualization:
This is a representation of a move I made up (the frame data would be so lulzy). Imagine that they grey part is the start-up of the move, the red part the hitbox of the move and the white part the cool-down.
Now in OSA2 the picture would look like the following
Now I believe that we can all agree on that the hitbox starts on Frame 3. This follows the +1 rule. As you can see, it also follows the I2. So that is entirely correct. Now, if we were to follow the +1 rule. The hitbox would last until frame 9. But would that mean that frame 9 has the hitbox out or gone? This is where the +1 rule leaves much to be desired. But, if we are to use the inputs, we can see that it is indeed not out on frame 9. This is because we are reading this as the game would read it. It would read that the collisions are terminated on Input 8. Therefore, the following frame has no collisions because they were eliminated during Input 8.
Using the the "Input" instead of the "Frame" system helps us to realize things easier like the FAF. Lets take for example the move above. Is the FAF Frame 10 or Frame 11. Well, based on the Input, which is Input 10, we can see that the following frame, Frame 11 is allowing the interrupt.
TL;DR - When you refer to numbers from PSA/OSA2, start using the input number to figure out the actual frame using this graphic.[/collapse]
It was orignially written for the Smash Lab, but since Dant's just throwing around PSA formatted data, I figure you might as well read it.
[collapse="Understanding PSA Frames vs. Game Frames"]
Alright, so we all know that in PSA, you can view the frame data for characters. However, the way this works can confuse lots of people. Things such as ZSS's and Squirtle's "0 Frame" Jabs, when we just consider them frame 1. So instead we adopted the system of adding one to what we see in PSA.
However, is this completely correct to just add 1? No.
People that say that ZSS's Jab comes out frame 0 are technically correct. However, the frame 0 is a misconception. It is actually the PSA frame 0. In PSA, the frames is spits out are not actually the frames seen in game. Instead, they are the parts in-between each frame. They are the inputs. So I would rather refer to the number that PSA spits out as "input" so ZSS's Jab would be considered Frame 1, Input 0.
For the rest, refer to this visualization:
This is a representation of a move I made up (the frame data would be so lulzy). Imagine that they grey part is the start-up of the move, the red part the hitbox of the move and the white part the cool-down.
Now in OSA2 the picture would look like the following
Code:
---Start---
[B]Asynchronous Timer - Frames=2.00x,[/B]
Offensive Collision - Hitbox stuff...
[B]Asynchronous Timer - Frames=8.00x,[/B]
Terminate Collisions
[B]Asynchronous Timer - Frames=10.00x,[/B]
Allow Interrupt
---End---Using the the "Input" instead of the "Frame" system helps us to realize things easier like the FAF. Lets take for example the move above. Is the FAF Frame 10 or Frame 11. Well, based on the Input, which is Input 10, we can see that the following frame, Frame 11 is allowing the interrupt.
TL;DR - When you refer to numbers from PSA/OSA2, start using the input number to figure out the actual frame using this graphic.[/collapse]
It was orignially written for the Smash Lab, but since Dant's just throwing around PSA formatted data, I figure you might as well read it.
PSA Format is awful though, so we should still continue with a full spreadsheet instead imo but Smash Researcher somehow want to be as complex and close to PSA stuff as possible (which is really annoying) so I don't hope for it and will do it myself sometime.
rPSIvysaur
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Yes, PSA Format IS awful. Sort of why I didn't post that in here myself. However, anyone competent enough to interpret it can use it with that info I gave.
I've skimmed through the data of some characters and it seems that the startup frames for the smashes are counted from the release of the charge.
Is there a place where I can find the data for the charge ?
Is there a place where I can find the data for the charge ?
KingClubber
Smash Ace
Thank you, you just made my day with this, everything for my project has now become 90% more easier. ^_^
NO-IDea
Smash Lord
Anyone? PSA data for smashes without charge?
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the smash lab might look into it if you asked them.
MK26
Smash Master
dantarion is a wizard
also every smash has a charge of 1 second (60 frames) and iirc multiples damage dealt by 1.4x
@flayl: better?
also every smash has a charge of 1 second (60 frames) and iirc multiples damage dealt by 1.4x
@flayl: better?
juankmlo
Smash Rookie
Awesome post l3
choknater
Smash Obsessed
is there a hitbubble directory?
Kinzer
Mammy
You mean in the form of image dumps or video?
In either case, the Smash Lab hasn't released anything like that. We have at one point worked on it, but I suppose a little bit of activity/laziness got the best of some of our members. :/
I'm sure with enough searching on Youtube though, you can find hitbubbles of any character you want.
... The only one I can't recall having a video released to this day is Yoshi. It has been a while since I've looked, so maybe that tidbit is now outdated, but really if anybody could find me a video of Yoshi's stuff that'd be awesome.
In either case, the Smash Lab hasn't released anything like that. We have at one point worked on it, but I suppose a little bit of activity/laziness got the best of some of our members. :/
I'm sure with enough searching on Youtube though, you can find hitbubbles of any character you want.
... The only one I can't recall having a video released to this day is Yoshi. It has been a while since I've looked, so maybe that tidbit is now outdated, but really if anybody could find me a video of Yoshi's stuff that'd be awesome.
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
Dekar173, you mistyped Sheik in the OP. It's :shei k: not :shiek:
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
It's because the original coding was a typo, it would originally only produce the image if you typed in :shiek: (which for a while was a running joke on the Sheik boards lol), now it's been fixed and half the threads older than early 2010 will have a break where there should be "shiek" lol.
btw iirc dekar doesn't post much anymore.
btw iirc dekar doesn't post much anymore.
Death Arcana
Rum is for Drinking
loving this thread
but is there frame data for all character ground & wall techs?
but is there frame data for all character ground & wall techs?
Dr. Tuen
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I believe we are currently lacking data on glide cancels. If you glide cancel into the ground, when can you first act? if you glide cancel in the air, when can you first act? Obviously this only applies to a few characters (MK, Pit, Charizard), but it would be useful to know.
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Glide cancel in the air???
Dr. Tuen
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Glide, and subsequently press B. You will stop gliding. When can you act again?
Death Arcana
Rum is for Drinking
Just subscribe :/
TKD
Smash Lord
2 frames after landing. it's an autocancel. what i don't know is if autocancels have a soft landing (2 lag frames) and a hard landing (4 lag frames)
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
Why isn't this stickied omggggggg
Death Arcana
Rum is for Drinking
cause you should already have it subscribed
New Wolf frame data (WIP)
Also, apparently the jumpsquat frames in the first post are wrong. Wolf has a 5-frame jumpsquat, not 7. I was told it's because BrawlBox lies and things are slower there or something? Idk, just sayin', someone should probably re-do those :x
Also, apparently the jumpsquat frames in the first post are wrong. Wolf has a 5-frame jumpsquat, not 7. I was told it's because BrawlBox lies and things are slower there or something? Idk, just sayin', someone should probably re-do those :x
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allshort17
Smash Ace
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Lucario's is updated (same link as the OP) with some misc. data (like slip and get up attacks) and some notes for it.
Rood
Smash Apprentice
Thanks for making this!!! Time to sstudy!!!
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
No info on universals, like when footstools activate? I'd like to think it's frame 1 that the enemy goes into their footstooled animation but there's no information on this kind of thing anywhere.
bubbaking
Smash Hero
I'm more interested in how long footstool tumble animations last in the air...
Someone should update the OP with this. It's an actual frame data thread unlike the 'various DDD facts by Buuman' thread.
BlueXenon
Smash Lord
Sheiks frame data thread has a big problem. The descriptions for dair and dsmash are exactly the same. But they are 2 different moves.