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  • i have never truly known what it feels like to hate a fictional character until that ****ing bobs burgers lookin millitant vegan girl in the birds eye advert "aRe YoU sKiPpInG bEcAuSe YoU fEaR cHaNgE" this little cartoon girl makes my blood boil harder than any villain ive ever watched

    what the hell makes you think selling food to vegans by proliferating their most negative stereotype would work
    FazDude
    FazDude
    with context, comparing this to bob’s burgers or sanjay and craig is an insult to both shows
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    I feel the art style is more akin to an overly botoxed Klasky Csupo show now I'm looking at it better - as in, the outlines got botoxed, not (just) the characters themselves
    Linkmain-maybe
    Linkmain-maybe
    1. Flash animation in front of a realistic backround. How lazy can you get?
    2. IIRC those things are expensive, so if anything it’s not that they fear change, it’s because they are not made of money
    3. Little girl doesn’t understand that processed vegetables are worse for you than meat
    4. Little girl seemingly has a massive hunch at like, age 7
    5. Fake meat tastes worse IMO. When I used to visit my mother before she game ended, she would always have these nasty square vegan hotdogs. Tasted like trash and I would get sick from them
    6. Vegan food often requires you take copious amounts of supplements because a vegan diet is not the healthiest.
    7. Little girl doesn’t understand that not every supermarket sells said food (and by extension commercial)
    8. Rude and patronizing dialogue that makes me want to smash my computer.
    9. Boring, corporate art style
    10. Bri’ish (joke)
    Multiversus would've been "Goated" if it were just a basketball crossover game. That would've more than justified Space Jam 2's existence - hell, cut out the movie part and just make the game the sequel to the movie like The Goonies 2.
    Even though he's probably not gonna win the current vote, I do have some ideas on how to balance Steve for the less gimmicky and more competitive SMSB while keeping his smarts-based trapper playstyle intact - most of which involve Mine/Craft/Create Block specifically
    The whole Giygas thing was always the least interesting thing about EarthBound to me. I'm a sucker for gross-out humour; social satire; emotional family/power of friendship stories; weird anthropomorphic object designs; and outlandish situations in mundane locations, but the "I'm h...a...p...p...y..." and robot bodies stuff doesn't do it for me. I do like Mother 3's darker tone though, but that's mostly because it leans more emotional than scary, a different type of dark.
    The whole "Multiversus renders NASB irrelevant" mentality is so annoying to me because like... how does Smash not render the either of them by default irrelevant then? It's not like Multiversus is even a cartoon or animation crossover specifically, all it and NASB has in common is being platform fighters and crossovers of mostly nostalgic IP, which Smash also has while - even if I'd argue it to be of a lower quality game design wise than the funny farting bread man game - unarguably having a higher level of polish than either.
    LeBron's trailer in MVS feels so incomplete without SFX. That down air looks like getting a velvet pillow thrown in your face - not painful, but a little uncomfortable.
    FazDude
    FazDude
    I mean, getting the actual LeBron would probably be super costly, even for a big studio like WB (and even more so considering he'd need to be updated and given new voice lines for future character interactions).
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    I feel like Lebron would he open to it. He seems like a nice guy and js a gamer. But being an active sports person means getting him in to do voice lines (which they'll likely need to do multiple times since this is a GAAS game with an ever evolving roster) pretty unfeasible
    FazDude
    FazDude
    That too - Getting an athlete to do acting for a movie during the sport's offseason is one thing, but getting them to essentially do voicework year-round is another. I have no doubts that LeBron would love to do this, but scheduling pratically makes it an impossibility.
    As someone who's been a Bubsy fan as long as I've known what a SNES is, I could give a lot of advice on how to handle being an earnest fan of a game that is memed to death or even objectively bad (specifically for the Balan fandom) - that being said, I think the most paramount are to 1. be unashamed of your fandom, and 2. point non-fans towards the elements other than gameplay or plot (depending on genre) rather than fruitlessly defending the elements that gave it it's reputation or getting mad at said elements being pointed out. I find that people I speak to end up appreciating Bubsy a lot more when I point out the series' solid OST track record; Bubsy himself's surprisingly endearing personality before the cartoon pilot doomed him to "Flanderization"; or the series' proto-Cuphead "living cartoon" ambitions.
    Looking in on Sonic tone discourse is kinda insane because there seems to outright be an opposition to the mere idea of comedy for some 2000s era fans, even within with a darker and serious plot.

    Like, I can totally understand wanting a story with higher stakes, or taking offense to self-depriacting "wink at the screen" humour, but it's kinda foolish to make anything for children without some level of humour - ESPECIALLY if the plot surrounding the characters is dark. That's not underestimating children's intelligence, that's just what you generally do when you aim for that demographic. That applies to Pixar; Avatar; 2010s Cartoon Network; and every other example you can think of as "taking kids seriously"
    We are submitting a veteran from a previous Smash game as our pre-order bonus! This will be our final veteran and the only crossover character from a video game!
    Considering that Kid Icarus Uprising has a Super FX Star Fox tribute section, I find it baffling that there's yet to be a Super FX stage in Smash - be it Starwing; Stunt Race; or one of the Yoshi's Island bosses.
    I love this album, somehow it manages to both perfectly capture and completely miss the point of every show on it at the same time. I'd advise listening to it without looking at the tracklist and trying to guess what show it is before they say the name.
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    Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue is fascinating to me because of just how much of a time capsule it is for the overcommercialised era of animation - the specific characters chosen; the war on drugs message and how blatant + stigmatising it is; the general aesthetic design; merchandising being the way the characters are able to meet; having only one franchise featured that actually originated as a cartoon (Looney Tunes, before Turner stopped giving out syndication rights to everyone and their grandma) (This is counting DuckTales as a seperate IP from Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck - it also still applies if you count Muppet Babies as seperate from their adult counterparts given their debut as puppets in Muppets Take Manhattan) a fast food restaurant building themselves up as an ultimate moral good instead of being sassy and overstimulating; the fact that every character here sans ALF (who never got a comeback off the ground) and the Tunes (who peaked in the 90s popularity-wise thanks to Space Jam if anything) has the exact same history of their franchise going dormant into the 90s before making a big comeback in the 00s or 10s; the sappy synth piano credits theme that mentions the concept of outgrowing cartoons; the handwaved nature of the alcohol subplot; the seedy portrayal of arcades; so on.

    All that combined with the fact it released less than a year before the first 3 Nicktoons (Ren & Stimpy specifically, but the earlier Rugrats episodes to a much lesser extent) would come out with their trippy visuals and aim for a non-sober college student side-demographic; and mere months before Spielberg would begin giving theatrical-quality budgets to cartoons with Tiny Toon Adventures, completely dismantling the "factory line" method of cartoon production, makes it feel almost like a big albeit unknowing farewell to the toy-driven and politically-influenced age of television animation
    Preventing Sakurai from uttering the C-O-G-H words in the Byleth presentation will be the thing that pushes future scientists to make time machines.
    I still think Banjo over Chief was one of the most comically bad roster decisions in Smash history, possibly the most comically bad.
    Torgo the Bear
    Torgo the Bear
    Nothing against your opinion, and I know tons of people are already saying things pretty much just like it here, but I cannot be convinced Banjo and Kazooie were a bad choice, simply because Smash will always be Nintendo crossover at heart no matter what they tell you about a “video game celebration” (unless they properly take that route in the future, which I honestly sorta doubt).

    Banjo And Kazooie are not Nintendo characters, but as N64 icons from a company that used to be pretty close with Nintendo (even if only for DK reasons), they obviously have a major impact on a certain generation of Nintendo gamers. And as some of the most highly requested characters for the series overall, there was no way including them would have been a bad choice. I’m certainly overjoyed they made it to Smash, even if I agree with most in saying their moveset could use tweaking if they ever return.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    Dinoman96 Dinoman96 I'm talking from personal preferance, pure subjectivity - I do not care a single bit about fan demand or how well a DLC would sell, and third parties having major ties to Nintendo like Banjo or Mega Man do is - to me - the biggest single point a third party can have against them that wouldn't require the ratings board to get involved, since, from my POV, they're essentially paying extra negotiation money for what may as well be Nintendo characters, in a roster full of actual Nintendo characters, while the actual-Nintendo-character well is flooding with potential picks.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    Torgo the Bear Torgo the Bear I feel you're kinda missing why I dislike Banjo in Smash - it's not just about Chief or my beloved Clippy, but also the negative connotations the Microsoft name has gained for Banjo fans. I'd like to see 3rd party rep in Smash as a bit of a gaming olympics, with fighter picks representing the brands and lineups of the companies they come from as a whole in addition to their source material. Banjo, on the other hand, is a series people use against Microsoft - Microsoft and their teenage-to-adult target audience circa 2008 is considered synonymous with the series' downfall (even if not exactly rightfully from a BTS perspective) which makes the duo a near-tragic option for MS' debut in Smash (especially when you consider even people officially involved with their Smash appearance were using terminology like "welcome home"), and questionable at best successors to a prior hypothetical Steve/Chief/Fenix reveal, if you look at Smash's third parties the way I'd like to see them.
    I actually really like the idea of Splaat (Klasky Csupo logo) in NASB - he's a memorable character to 90s and 2000s-era Nicktoon fans, and he's managed to gain an inexplacable but quite clever cult following with the current day Nickelodeon kid audience. I feel his moveset could, just as Hugh seems to play into his memes, play into the Klasky Csupo memes by giving him wacky logo effects to fight with.

    Another NASB character idea I like is Swiper, a good way to rep Nick Jr. without turning a preschool role model into a combatant, given he's a villain and all - he could still have the fake interactivity represented, and I feel his inclusion would probably appeal to Nick's core demo more than Dora herself because: let's face it, 6-to-12 year old kids love making fun of "baby shows", and one of the quintessential outlets for that is cheering on the antagonistic character. Mayor Humdinger (is that his name?) could also work for this to a lesser extent, but he wouldn't really appeal to NASB's nostalgic core demo like Swiper would.
    If the #KiddySweep occurs on SMSB, I'll probably be a bit miffed I went straight for the 120 stage round-up since we wouldn't be able to give him a DKC3 stage - that being said, I feel Kongo Falls makes a decent enough makeshift Kiddy stage. Maybe I'll do a discussion round on a slight Kremisphere retheming should Kiddy win.

    I haven't calculated the results yet so I have no clue whether we're getting a #KiddySweep; #BallyhooSweep; #PianoSweep; or whatever, but I do plan to calculate in a few hours as I'm going out tomorrow.
    Wait, hold on...
    WB just announced STOP MOTION WACKY RACES??? That's a matchup made in heaven right there. I'm a huge stop motion fan and ol' Richard Detestable was a childhood favourite of mine thanks to DVDs and Boomerang.
    oh my god... Cartoon Network are actually... doing something with their old IPs for once? And getting the guys who worked on them and properly understand the concept back?
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    wait WHAT THE NEW FOSTERS IS FOR PRESCHOOLERS

    Not opposed, not opposed, the designs and characters lend well for that, and the recent Cartoonito output seems to have been of stellar quality (Tom & Jerry Time and Bugs Bunny Builders both have glorious animation and a great take on keeping the iconic dynamics without the antagonism from what I've seen), just... surprised. I wonder how you'd transfer over a character like Bloo into a preschool setting while keeping intact the crippling egotism that makes him endearing, but everyone else seems well fit for a Bluey-esque setting,
    Some AT-AT
    Some AT-AT
    Too bad Mixels isn't coming back anytime soon lol.
    Pokelego999
    Pokelego999
    I miss Mixels so much
    TBH, in the context of Smash I don't really care about getting my favourite characters and series in anymore - what I really want currently is Sony; Atari; homegrown Microsoft; and 80s microcomputer rep, with no specific characters in mind (even if I obviously have preferance to PaRappa in Sony's case) which are things I only have passing interest in (none in the case of Xbox if you exclude Windows) but feel are crucial steps in becoming a real gaming museum.
    I unironically admire how the lost media community could be looking for extremely significant milestones from the early days of TV or highly influential literature, but instead choose to look for tie-in flash games to mediocre 2000s Canadian cartoons and stuff like that. This isn't even sarcasm, I really appreciate how these guys are using their talents to find things important and significant to them and their own niche little bubble rather than the world at large.
    I kinda feel modern Smash games' takes on third parties aren't made with longevity in mind - Minecraft is a good example, having all the biomes in fun as DLC, but it's gonna really slim down the options if they ever want a second Minecraft stage (though I will admit that a mine or the Nether would probably be the first choice even with the other biomes on the table.)
    I don't get why, of all the cancelled games, EarthBound 64 is the one people are so interested in and are willing to spend hundreds of dollars to research. Just comes off to me as an uglier and darker version of a released game that basically had the perfect level of dark for the story it wanted to tell - not to mention that the Mother franchise's history wouldn't really be changed by it in the slightest, the fandom probably but not the series as a whole considering it'd end with M3 either way. To me something like Swordquest Airworld; Twelve Tales Conker 64; or Sonic X-Treme is more interesting for that sort of butterfly effect "how would this series, its developer, or gaming as a whole have changed if this released?" theorising.
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