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  • I was just considering going into the MVS Rate Their Chances thread, submitting a single nom point for Flem & Earl, then never going on the thread again. I probably would've if I knew their policy on abstain votes. (and also didn't submit for it when it first opened)
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    Deleted member
    What do you mean by policy on abstain votes?

    I'm a regular so I'd be happy to clear anything up
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    Eh, I've announced the joke and now it's lost the comedy.
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    Deleted member
    Fair enough lol.
    I joined a NASB matchmaking Discord recently but still haven't had the courage to respond to any of the Switch matchmaking pings.
    I think a lot of Sakurai fans don't realise the reason why criticism aimed at his games or attitude tends to be so harshly worded is because of how much of a protective shield is given to him - if people are gonna take offense to the most basic of criticisms, why not just go all-out South Park? You've gotta let that steam out somehow and they won't react any differently.
    We are
    1. Voting on fighters with a list that includes Mario & Luigi, Mario Paint, Mario Party, Wario's Woods, Wrecking Crew, and Mario Golf characters!
    2. Submitting alternate costumes for Rosalina & Luma!
    3. Voting on home stages for Dr. Mario! (with a very gutsy stagelist!)
    4. Voting on the music list for the Lost Kingdom!
    5. Submitting container items!

    I've posted about this a few times recently, but I'm legitimately curious, and the fact my previous posts about the topic got little likes tells me there's gonna be quite a few people with answers: why do Disney Smash fan rosters tend to have such a heavy Disney XD/Disney Channel emphasis? Like, I know the new age Disney TVA stuff has quite the fandom and is very action/violence heavy even compared to a lot of the more mature animation under Disney's wing, but what propells Amphibia or the Owl House as being more worthy of taking a good chunk of the roster than say - the Muppets, the pre-renaissance movies, the Pixar shorts, the more brand-appropriate Fox acquisitions, or the Disney Parks OCs? Is there something I'm missing?
    FazDude
    FazDude
    I’m guessing it’s either being a really popular show (Amphibia / Owl House) or nostalgia (for stuff like Phineas and Ferb). Can’t really think of any deeper meaning.
    CheeseAnton
    CheeseAnton
    To preface this, I don't know either, I'm just simply throwing an idea out which I think could be logical but I'm not certain of.

    I think it's easier for a lot of people. These shows have relevancy so they might see it frequently thinking it's important, and a lot are action/violence heavy so maybe it's easier for people to imagine characters like Anne and Perry fighting than it is to see Luxo Jr. or Kermit do so.
    Torgo the Bear
    Torgo the Bear
    I don't really think they'd realistically get that much presence on such a roster, but I always slip one or two in just because I have a bit of a bias for them.
    That's why I would personally much rather prefer a Disney TVA smash game, although that's incredibly unlikely.
    20th century propaganda:

    21st century propaganda:
    One thing I actually do like about Nintendo from a corporate/company side - and even think they do better than Sega - is that if a series is more popular overseas, (AKA here) they're willing to outsource new titles to English-speaking countries. Punch-Out!!, Metroid, and Donkey Kong are all series that have heavily Western-inspired aesthetics and - with the exception of DK - have generally done better sales-wise in Western territories, so it makes perfect sense in every way to outsource their titles to people who have felt both the cultures that spawned, and the cultures spawned by, these games IMO
    I'm all for a future Smash doing a massive roster-purge to become a proper celebration of gaming history - however, such a purge shouldn't show mercy on the original 12 just because of seniority. I can't really justify having Samus, Fox, Yoshi, or even Kirby in such a roster - let alone the unlockables. I could maybe make an exception for Ness because of his influence on Pokémon and indie games but that's as far as I can really go - hell, the only 1P newcomers after 64 I could justify bringing back are Bowser, Villager, and (probably biased) Duck Hunt.
    I had a dream where Multiversus had a weirdly long trailer where the following was revealed
    1. The game's art style got a complete revamp to look pastel, chibi and Sanrio-esque
    2. They did a survey to decide whether Ace Bunny from Loonatics Unleashed should be added as Bugs' clone... through Strawpoll
    3. For some reason Bugs Bunny's Superman costume was added as a Superman alt and not a Bugs alt
    4. The Animaniacs were confirmed, they were stacked atop each other like Super Brawl 3's Rabbids
    5. For some reason the Warners' idle animation was Ralph the Guard giving them a slushie to drink.
    6. The Warners fought using a lasso
    7. Daphne was confirmed and portrayed unusally provocatively - like, worse than Smash's portrayal of Peach
    8. The horrible cocoon monster from this advert was in the game
    9. Garfield was confirmed for some reason and his model was very clearly using the style of the guy who did the Sonic Says 3D animations
    We're submitting new non-platformer fighters, and a home stage for Dr. Mario - doesn't have to be a Dr. Mario stage though!
    I feel that if any 2010s show is to get a rep in NASB other than the already-featured Loud House and Korra, it will probably be Fanboy & Chum Chum (unless you count Barnyard) - their show is looked upon fondly with hindsight compared to the rest of the 2010s lineup, but its early cancellation also feels a little more justified given how loathed it was upon debut unlike Harvey Beaks or Welcome to the Wayne, which are shows people like and always have liked, but drawing attention to (and therefore indirectly drawing attention to the treatment of) would be bad for the Nick brand unless there was a megaresurgence with internet communities and fan conventions like there was for Zim.
    I feel the reason people are quick to disregard characters like Waluigi and Hugh Neutron as "joke/meme picks" is because they're viewing comical franchises through the lens used to view action franchises - specifically anime.

    If Jimmy Neutron were a shonen anime, Hugh would be an absurd choice for NASB - but Jimmy Neutron isn't a shonen anime, it's a slice of life episodic children's cartoon; where every character's primary function is to either tell or cause jokes and action setpieces are played entirely for comedy.

    If Mario were an epic JRPG series, Waluigi would also be an absurd choice for Smash - but Mario isn't a JRPG, it's a primarily party game/platformer franchise featuring silly; whimsical characters who tend to be on good terms regardless of moral alignment and have generally the same powers and power level.
    DrCoeloCephalo
    DrCoeloCephalo
    Absurd based on what?
    If you do the actual research, Waluigi is an easy contender as one of the strongest characters in Mario lore if you go by some shounen anime lens.
    Jigglypuff is from a series that's far more shounen and is very much an irrelevant meme and low tier unimportant filler monster that only exists to be a worse Clefairy in the lens of her own series but the people that tend to whine about Waluigi never say squat about her and even when they do, all they can point at is how low effort she was to include and her anime popularity which is exactly what Waluigi has: popularity.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    There's no such thing as a Mario spin-off, the series doesn't have canon or lore.
    DrCoeloCephalo
    DrCoeloCephalo
    Not sure if that's a joke but just cuz it has no consistency and Miyamoto seems to hate characters he didn't make, it doesn't mean there's no lore.
    I posted a few days ago about how the pose of an old Margaret Thatcher statue looks just like K. Rool's - and honestly? I feel there's a relatively low chance it could be intentional - but less in the sense of "haha k rool starves the kongs like maggie starved the miners" or any other political commentary and moreso a somewhat naive "K. Rool is a British character, we should use statues of British rulers for reference!"
    I feel my next Fortnite creation thread submission (of a series/IP) should be either The Flintstones or Wikipedia. Dunno what the music for Wikipedia would be though - not sure if using an audio reading would work if it isn't the not-so-E10+-friendly CBT article. Guess I could find other uncomfortable but appropriate articles, or "swaggy" ones with "epic" or "win" in them.
    An extremely stupid hypothetical: genericised NASB stage titles for if music from it was to be used in Fraymakers or Fishbunjin Smash DLC
    Jellyfish Fields: Seaweed Fields
    Flying Dutchman's Ship: Davy Jones' Ship
    Glove World: Glove Park
    Western Air Temple: Western Temple
    Omashu: Mountain Mail Station
    Harmonic Convergence: Spiritual Merge
    The Loud House: Family House
    Royal Woods Cemetary: Wooded Cemetary
    Rooftop Rumble: Rooftop Rumble
    Sewer Slam: Sewer Slam
    Technodrome Takedown: Techno Takedown
    Space Madness: Space Insanity
    Powdered Toast Trouble: Fresh Toast Trouble
    Irken Armada Invasion: Alien Armada Invasion
    CatDog's House: Fishbone House
    Showdown at Teeter Totter Gulch: Showdown at the Playground
    Wild Waterfall: Wild Waterfall
    Traffic Jam: Traffic Jam
    Ghost Zone: Ghost World
    The Dump: The Dump
    Sweet Dreams: Sweet Dreams
    Slime Time: Game Show Time
    I do wonder, if Smash was just a hypothetical game like the Disney and Microsoft platform fighters are, which weird, relatively obscure series or sub-brand would fanmade rosters hyperfixate on like Disney Channel and Rare stuff? My best guess is Mario spin-offs. 7 WarioWare reps and 3 Kremlings alone but only 4 Pokémon and Pit as the only NES rep
    I feel a majority of modern Smash's problems are caused either by unneeded compromises (Schrödinger's wavedash, the on-and-off nature of the game's "celebration" status, Ultimate's online mode ruleset system) or pandering to fans for the sake of "hype" livestreams (comically large rosters, source-accurate movesets, lack of obscure/weird newcomers)
    RileyXY1
    RileyXY1
    Pretty much. Smash has fallen victim to its own hype and now only seeks to get attention for itself, with some fans only caring about expanding Smash's representation even further. The fan favorite requests now are all iconic 3rd parties, most of which are Western-made, with 1st parties only talked about in the sense of promotional picks for upcoming titles.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    Pretty much, I just want Smash to make it's mind up - either put in place a massive roster purge so Crash and Doomguy can take the lead, or cut down on the third parties for Isaac and Muddy Mole's chances. Either is fine.
    Champion of Hyrule
    Champion of Hyrule
    I definitely feel like a lot of otherwise really fun games suffer from a general lack of direction. Marvel Vs Capcom Infinite is a good example of this (even though smash is obviously way better than it lol)
    still cant get over the fact pokemon was popular enough to influence human evolution

    capitalism scares me
    I like the idea of NASB having a show-specific announcer, but I don't think it should be Stick Stickly - his voice is too sweet to announce a kart racer, let alone a fighting game. Patchy's voice could work but I feel he has too much of a pirate tone (accent?) to represent all the shows in the game. Realistic Fish Head or one of the live action kid actors could be a really cool announcer.
    Ben Shapiro: Destroys left wing

    Most birds:


    Penguins:


    Kiwis:
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    I am trying to delete project m arcade and project arcade plus. Nobody cared about these two projects because everyone thinks it is a troll or poorly made. I have tried to contact the moderator to delete threads. I refuse to let these mods rot on this server. Can you contact somebody for me? Or report these threads so they can be deleted?
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    just give them time, self-reports go through the same process as regular reports.
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    Deleted member
    Have you considered that not everyone lives in your time zone? Or that people aren't online at all times? Or that forums are a dying medium? Please stop bothering people because no one has responded in an hour.
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    Deleted member
    I see some online, they can do it or at least respond.
    I really dislike SSBU's Classic Mode. The mode comes off as super dull and hard to replay without that RNG element. At the very least 64's hyperconsistency made it fun to score attack and speedrun.
    It's kinda funny how on the Mario Smash thread we've already disconfirmed one of the top fan picks for a Mario RPG rep, one of the top fan picks for an arcade DK rep and probably THE top fan pick for Yoshi through ally contacts. Other threads are super conservative and strategic for ATs. (though that usually just ends with characters being conspiciously absent from base game)
    I'd be really disappointed if a Disney platform fighter didn't have a Pixar Shorts rep
    I fear the prospect that future generations will come across and gain anemoia for oversimplified logos and ASMR adverts the way mine has for 80s nightlife and 90s memphis aesthetics.
    I personally see NASB having competitive mechanics less as "aiming for the wrong audience" and more as the game trusting kids to use their curiousity and creativity - detached from Melee's version of wavedashing and the culture/taboos that surround it, how do you think an 8 year old would react if they learned they could slide fast by airdashing into the ground? Probably less "this is too hard, I give up!" and more "wow! I gotta show my friends how fast I can go!" - kids love the element of discovery and learning new things, (even if they won't admit it) so surely a game with tons of techniques to learn and use hiding within a simple control scheme is what you should be going for?
    Somebody posted on the Bad Smash Suggestions thread "give the men swimsuits, and the women winter outfits" and the general response was "YO! THAT'D BE RAD!"

    Even ignoring the heteronormative implications of the original post, can anyone really tell me they don't love this itchy little thing?
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