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  • Decided to resurrect this thread after over half a year:
    I think I’d like to start a rally to get character support threads opened back up.

    #ReleaseCharacterSupportThreads #Justice4SupportThreads

    Who’s with me?!
    Y’know, I wanna say “screw it, the next Smash should reveal every DLC character in whatever DLC pass they do” but I’m also concerned about the potential fan backlash and red tape surrounding those characters.
    pitchfulprocessing
    pitchfulprocessing
    I think it'd be good so people actually know the proper contents what they're purchasing before they buy it, that's something Sakurai has acknowledged and is a shift other fighting games have made. At the same time, Tekken, which is by the same publisher and largely the same development team, notably hasn't done that, and it's clearly worked out well for them with Heihachi, and I also can't imagine Nintendo would approve of it because they need Smash reveals to fill out their schedule, so even if I would personally prefer it I can't imagine it would be likely. I don't think the stuff about hype getting out of control or being toxic is really a big issue in comparison, I'm really mostly just concerned about the money spending aspect.

    There's also the aspect that other fighting games tend to only have one guest per season and reveal it at major FG events like EVO, while Smash tends to have many, and that creates more legal red tape, so would have to see. Mortal Kombat is the only other point of comparison there.
    If Mission Mode returned in Mario Kart, I think it'd be cool if there was 1 mission per course and you can pick any character for each mission. I think for the sake of brainstorming, I'll do a mission for each of the base game 8 Deluxe courses and battle maps.
    Mushroom Cup
    Flower Cup
    Star Cup
    Special Cup
    Egg Cup
    Crossing Cup
    Mario Kart Stadium: Touch the helicopter when gliding​
    Mario Circuit: Do 5 mini-turbos within 1 lap​
    Sunshine Airport: Break 5 crates within 3 laps​
    Cloudtop Cruise: Break all of the barrels on the airship within 30 seconds​
    GCN Yoshi Circuit: Go through all dash rings within 2 laps, including the waterfall shortcut​
    GCN Baby Park: Do 30 mini-turbos within 7 laps​
    Water Park: Touch the Ferris Wheel when gliding​
    Toad Harbor: Knock over each cable car with a Super Star​
    Dolphin Shoals: Use all 3 dash rings near the start within 2 laps​
    Bone-Dry Dunes: Defeat all of the Dry Bones within 1 lap​
    Excitebike Arena: Perform 20 tricks within 3 laps​
    GBA Cheese Land: Go through the dash rings on each shortcut within 1 lap​
    Sweet Sweet Canyon: Go through the dash rings on each path within 2 laps​
    Twisted Mansion: Defeat 5 Fish Bones within 3 laps​
    Electrodrome: Activate every anti-gravity booster within 3 laps​
    Bowser's Castle: Perform 10 tricks within 1 lap​
    Dragon Driftway: Don't stop drifting or tricking for more than 3 seconds​
    Wild Woods: Don't stop drifting or tricking for more than 3 seconds​
    Thwomp Ruins: Go through the dash rings on the two mushroom shortcuts within 1 lap​
    Shy Guy Falls: Do 10 mini-turbos within 3 laps​
    Mount Wario: Go through all of the ski gates and dash rings in the last section​
    Rainbow Road: Do 15 mini-turbos within 3 laps​
    Mute City: Use all of the pit areas within 1 lap​
    Animal Crossing: Pop all of the balloons within 3 laps​
    Shell Cup
    Banana Cup
    Leaf Cup
    Lightning Cup
    Triforce Cup
    Bell Cup
    Wii Moo Moo Meadows: Knock away 5 Moo Moos with a Super Star within 1 lap​
    GCN Dry Dry Desert: Defeat all of the Pokeys within 1 lap​
    DS Wario Stadium: Get 1st place against Wario and Waluigi​
    DS Tick-Tock Clock: Go through every glider dash ring within 1 lap​
    Wii Wario's Gold Mine: Do the course with your character driving backwards​
    3DS Neo Bowser City: Do 5 mini-turbos within 1 lap​
    GBA Mario Circuit: Go through the oil slicks with a Mushroom within 1 lap​
    SNES Donut Plains 3: Go through the dash ring in the underwater shortcut within 1 lap​
    GCN Sherbet Land: Get rid of the Freezies within 1 lap​
    3DS Piranha Plant Slide: Defeat every Goomba within 1 lap​
    SNES Rainbow Road: Go through evert dash ring​
    GBA Ribbon Road: Defeat the Mechakoopas within 1 lap​
    DS Cheep Cheep Beach: Defeat 20 Sidesteppers within 1 lap​
    N64 Royal Raceway: Defeat 20 Piranha Plants within 1 lap​
    3DS Music Park: Bounce every time a Note lands onto the ground​
    Wii Grumble Volcano: Do the course with your character driving backwards​
    Ice Ice Outpost: Do the course with your character driving backward​
    Super Bell Subway: Do the course with your character driving backwards​
    N64 Toad's Turnpike: Knock away 5 cars with a Super Star within 1 laps​
    3DS DK Jungle: Defeat all of the Tikis within 1 lap​
    N64 Yoshi Valley: Balloon Battle on the section with the giant egg​
    N64 Rainbow Road: Get 1st place against the Koopalings​
    Hyrule Circuit: Activate the Master Sword shortcut within 1 lap​
    Big Blue: Get 1st place in a 200cc race against Dry Bowser​
    The battle maps have missions themed around boss battles, like in Mario Kart DS.

    Battle Stadium: Vs. Boom Boom​
    Sweet Sweet Kingdom: Vs. Pom Pom​
    Dragon Palace: Vs. Boom Boom & Pom Pom​
    Lunar Colony: Vs. King Bob-omb​
    3DS Wuhu Town: Vs. Army of Goombas​
    GCN Luigi's Mansion: Vs. King Boo​
    SNES Battle Course 1: Vs. Bowser Jr. & Koopalings​
    Urchin Underpass: Vs. DJ Octavio​
    The fact that the current state of the Pokémon games is because Game Freak is talentless and not because of the crunch they have to endure just makes me depressed. I know they shouldn’t have lied about the “high-quality animations” and stuff, but I don’t think they did that out of malice.
    Anyway, now we're doing the first Tour in my Mario Kart Tour remake. Come swing by if you have the time.
    Even if Nintendo just had to reuse assets for the original Wii U Mario Kart 8’s Battle Mode, they still could’ve just made original battle maps using those assets like they did for 8 Deluxe.

    You know how the original Wii U battle maps were literally just Moo Moo Meadows, Dry Dry Desert, Donut Plains 3, Toad’s Turnpike, Mario Circuit, Toad Harbor, Sherbet Land and Yoshi Valley? I think you could’ve easily made actual battle maps with their assets. As for what they’d probably be:
    • Moo Moo Barnyard
    • GBA Battle Course 4
    • SNES Battle Course 1
    • Toad’s Parking Garage
    • Peach’s Castle
    • Harbor Plaza
    • 3DS Sherbet Rink
    • Yoshi Canyon
    If Moo Moo Farm was in the Booster Course Pass, I could see the gates on both sides leading onto the bridges around the course for alternate paths on each lap, kind of like other courses in the Booster Course Pass.

    Of course, considering that the entirety of the Booster Course Pass consists of courses ported over from Tour, that would probably require Moo Moo Farm to actually be in Tour.
    We're doing voting for nitro courses in my Tour recreation thread.
    Do you guys think Nintendo should’ve leaned more into the arcade scene with games like Super Smash Bros.?
    KneeOfJustice99
    KneeOfJustice99
    I honestly think it'd have been cool for the Vs. series to continue going forward, the concept and even cabinet layout is pretty unique and it'd have been cool to see what kinds of other stuff could have been explored in the form factor.

    That said I don't think you could just straight up port an existing Smash game to an arcade cabinet? Like I'm not sure the gameplay of typical Smash Bros. would feel at home there. Maybe a specialised, retooled "Smash Bros. Arcade Edition" or something could be fun though.

    The main issue is that you really couldn't have it as a competitive game because it's Nintendo and they're apparently allergic to that. Though, if they did... I'd honestly suggest cutting back the roster to like 30 characters to make balancing easier and focusing third-party picks on arcade-centric characters (like, say, Pac-Man, Terry, etc.) Plus, you could always have a rotating cast in different versions.
    Internal Frickface
    Internal Frickface
    this is such a specific desire for me, but if smash were to get an arcade board release AND it had a scaled back roster, i'd want it to have one of those weird unorthodox character select screens in the arcade versions of fighting games that you would typically see in the naomi/atomiswave era

    KneeOfJustice99
    KneeOfJustice99
    Ohhhh that'd go really hard! I've always had a weird appreciation for these bizarre character select screens, it's a little difficult to really represent them when making concepts or whatnot but they're such fun parts of the arcade experience :)
    If Nintendo were brave during the time when Mario Kart Tour was getting new content, they would've done an FEH collab with Elimine as a racer.
    Looking at the five Rainbow Roads in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, I like to think they each have their own level of difficulty for their archetypes:
    • SNES Rainbow Road: Beginner
    • Wii U Rainbow Road: Easy
    • N64 Rainbow Road: Normal
    • 3DS Rainbow Road: Hard
    • Wii Rainbow Road: Expert
    Question: let’s say I uploaded a video of doing every cup in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, including the Booster Course Pass, to YouTube with no commentary or editing. Would I still have to pull the “fair use” card, if at all possible?
    FazDude
    FazDude
    I think you'd be in the clear. A LOT of videos like that exist online, and AFAIK Nintendo hasn't come after any of them.
    ssbashworld
    ssbashworld
    Id say you are probably fine. Where it doesnt fall in any of the common categories you hear about (commentary, parody, critque, etc) you could make an argument that you are not providing a market alternative with a big difference between watching & playing a game.

    It honestly sounds not too different from a no commentary walkthrough which is common on YouTube. IDK if labeling it a showcase to help people to help people know what they are getting (almost like a free ad or similar to a review) would help. Nintendo in general definitely seems to have loosened up about this sort of thing compared to 10 years ago although who knows were we wil be 10 years from now.

    Once again though just some observations & thoughts from some random person on the internet.
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