Ussi
Smash Legend
... that still doesn't answer the 2nd part of the question/request >_>
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Zero Suit Samus Questions & Answers
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DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
You could always do it yourself if you want to be impatient about it.
Ussi
Smash Legend
Oh I thought you guys missed the 2nd part >_< Sorry. Just say you don't have it.
BebopBrawler
Smash Rookie
I have searched around and haven't found anything specific about this but here is my question. I know that the best way to learn ZSS tether length is to just practice it but it might be helpful to have like a list of reference points for max lengths on different stages or something like that. I was wondering if there is already a thread or a video about this. It would also help learn a little more about how the tether works on Norfair for example. I dunno just thought I would bring it up.
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
Tether on Norfair just goes to the closest edge within range. Simple.
Adapt
Smash Lord
I don't have everything, but here is what frame data I do have: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=178317
I do not know how long each hitbox lasts, but I know that side-B tipped lasts for a number of frames
Ankoku did an interesting analysis on d-smash in this topic (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=213807) that you might find interesting. It has much more data than I do.
Ussi
Smash Legend
I see, thanks for that, and the thread Ankoku made was just what i was looking for :D
canthandletheSpeculosity
Smash Journeyman
Did this page get wider?
Airgemini
Chansey
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It's not infinite. It's a pretty much a noob combo that only works on people who cant DI.
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
This should be your clue to search.
FadedImage
Smash Journeyman
risemix
Smash Apprentice
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While I'm here:
So I played a few friends recently and they are very impressed with how much I've improved, 2- and 3-stocking the locals most of the time. I've got a great handle on the basics and now I'm getting into the nitty gritty.
I'm having a lot of trouble with approaches because it seems like our only viable one is the dash attack. I absolutely abuse it, which is awful. Once every few matches or so, I'll use down-b as an approach, but that has to be rare or it starts to get predictable (and really, if I do it at the wrong time, it's slow enough they'll see it coming anyway).
After watching a little Claw and Snakeee, it seems like the good players hope they'll just come to you and you can punish them for it. However in some cases this just isn't possible (Lucas, for example) so you've got to go in.
Tilts? Intruding Fair, Bair, or side-b? The Bair seems to be the least punishable, but setting that up seems technically challenging (not that I can't do it, it would just take some practice while I teach my fingers to do it).
So I played a few friends recently and they are very impressed with how much I've improved, 2- and 3-stocking the locals most of the time. I've got a great handle on the basics and now I'm getting into the nitty gritty.
I'm having a lot of trouble with approaches because it seems like our only viable one is the dash attack. I absolutely abuse it, which is awful. Once every few matches or so, I'll use down-b as an approach, but that has to be rare or it starts to get predictable (and really, if I do it at the wrong time, it's slow enough they'll see it coming anyway).
After watching a little Claw and Snakeee, it seems like the good players hope they'll just come to you and you can punish them for it. However in some cases this just isn't possible (Lucas, for example) so you've got to go in.
Tilts? Intruding Fair, Bair, or side-b? The Bair seems to be the least punishable, but setting that up seems technically challenging (not that I can't do it, it would just take some practice while I teach my fingers to do it).
oOJaseOo
Smash Ace
hey guys iv started to use ZSS iv read most of your stickies and watched your vids. can you plz tell me whats worth learning and what i shouldn't bother with?
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
Ok, I am hereby proclaiming that I will be writing a "Noobs Guide to ZSS" just to stop this onslaught of dumb questions.
canthandletheSpeculosity
Smash Journeyman
ZSS should only approach when there's an opening. Just try move around your opponent in mid-range or pressure with side b and lasers until you see an opening or they do an attack that's punishable. sometimes I try to confuse them into doing an attack. one example of this is by making them think im gonna come in with a dash attack when in reality I just run past them, maybe do a pivot grab.
Or a nice approach (mindgame) is to run to them and jump over their head, they think you were gonna dash attack and they attempt to shieldgrab. this drops their shield then you bair them. there are many more instances but this is just one example
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
You can pressure most other characters into getting into melee with you with the laser and side b, and then you push them back out and start again.
The most problematic matchups are when this doesn't work, for me atleast (Falco, Olimar) and you're forced into a bad approach.
The most problematic matchups are when this doesn't work, for me atleast (Falco, Olimar) and you're forced into a bad approach.
I was wondering why this wasnt posted earlier...
SkyRay
Smash Cadet
So i'm a somewhat new ZSS player, and while playing against my friends i have seemed to discover something new to me, i'm not saying this is completely new to the ZSS community, as i'm sure somebody has discovered it before.
Okay, so when hanging on the ledge with your opponent approaching you or standing there waiting for you to attack, or if they are about to attack, instead of doing an average attack from the ledge:
I pressed and held down (releasing myself from the ledge) then press B (to go into down B attack) immediately then press B immediately after that (attacking out of your down B)
What this does is creates a fast pretty quick unexpected attack from the ledge, and if you hold in the opposite direction i believe while pressing B the second time, you will attack outwards, sending your opponent off the stage.
Is this a useful technique?
Has it been found before?
Are there lag issues or any other concerns?
I really know almost nothing about her, i haven't had the time to research her and play her that much. So anything here could be wrong.
Okay, so when hanging on the ledge with your opponent approaching you or standing there waiting for you to attack, or if they are about to attack, instead of doing an average attack from the ledge:
I pressed and held down (releasing myself from the ledge) then press B (to go into down B attack) immediately then press B immediately after that (attacking out of your down B)
What this does is creates a fast pretty quick unexpected attack from the ledge, and if you hold in the opposite direction i believe while pressing B the second time, you will attack outwards, sending your opponent off the stage.
Is this a useful technique?
Has it been found before?
Are there lag issues or any other concerns?
I really know almost nothing about her, i haven't had the time to research her and play her that much. So anything here could be wrong.
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
How many times do I have to tell people to USE THE ****ING SEARCH FUNCTION before they understand?
SkyRay
Smash Cadet
Just trying to get a quick answer, don't mean to requote myself but..
SkyRay said:
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
So find the time. I'm sure somebody on here is going to end up answering your question, but I'm here to play devil's advocate to that. Why should we help people who are too lazy to try and find the answer themselves?
James Sparrow
Smash Master
that's common knowledge. it's useful til they expect it because the down b kick has unsayable lag.
NeoZero
Smash Apprentice
Well, how about someone makes a thread named something like "USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION *****ES!!!", make someone sticky the threat and keep it constantly bumped so that it's always on the top of our character boards
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
There IS the ZSS board for dummies thread...
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
I wrote a thread for that almost a year ago. Nobody bothers to read it, so I have to go out of my way to yell at them.
NeoZero
Smash Apprentice
I wasn't suggesting to remake your thread or to create another one like it, I just wanted a huge visual reminder to everyone to use the search function before posting. Most people won't be bothered to look at your thread. The thread I'm suggesting would have no other point then to broadcast to the public, through it's name on the main page of the board, to USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION BEFORE DOING ANYTHING!!!
But then again, I guess your thread does that too.
But then again, I guess your thread does that too.
canthandletheSpeculosity
Smash Journeyman
People just dont care anymore. Anyone who's reading this not from the ZSS board, people are reacting like this because you ask a question without ATTEMPTING to search the answer for it yourself.
It has been known that ZSS can down b from the ledge since DAY ONE. In fact if you ever played a ZSS (scrub or not) then you would have seen them do it before.
This is like me going to the Diddy boards and talking about how I may have found a way to throw a banana at someone and slide across the ground at the same time to hit them.
It has been known that ZSS can down b from the ledge since DAY ONE. In fact if you ever played a ZSS (scrub or not) then you would have seen them do it before.
This is like me going to the Diddy boards and talking about how I may have found a way to throw a banana at someone and slide across the ground at the same time to hit them.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Woah...Back up. You can do that?!
Adapt
Smash Lord
I tried that with my "tips, tricks, and general advice" (I named it nicer)
No matter what you do... people will ask dumb questions... it's impossible to avoid.
DeliciousCake
Smash Lord
Yeah, I guess it's pretty much pointless. I enjoy insulting people's intelligence enough that I'll just have to deal with it.
Snakeee
Smash Master
It's not a big deal guys, you don't have to lay it on so thick
kuenzel
Smash Ace
That's okay- I enjoy Cake insulting people's intelligence too- It's like a sitcom!
You mean.... the icing on the Cake?!?
/Cake puns