Zero Suit Samus Questions & Answers

[jibbyjaont]

I wonder what's going on people's heads when they ask such questions. Even more ridiculous when they think they made a "discovery" about her.

 

[FadedImage]

lol, last two pages have been so much **** talk.

sorry to play god's advocate here, but the down-b off the edge is known, but generally unused, even though it's very useful on certain characters. Edgehogging characters with laggy up-bs (Marth, CFalcon, Ganon, Etc.) and then when they land on the stage, doing the down-b to kick them back off with the powerful ground hit is pretty effective.

just food for thought.

 

[jibbyjaont]

lol, last two pages have been so much **** talk.

sorry to play god's advocate here, but the down-b off the edge is known, but generally unused, even though it's very useful on certain characters. Edgehogging characters with laggy up-bs (Marth, CFalcon, Ganon, Etc.) and then when they land on the stage, doing the down-b to kick them back off with the powerful ground hit is pretty effective.

just food for thought.

'Nuff said. Next?

 

[noradseven]

I wonder what's going on people's heads when they ask such questions. Even more ridiculous when they think they made a "discovery" about her.

Hey GUYS, I just found this INSANE COMBO!

If you down smash then walk up and up B you can downsmash and then up B, its an INFINITE COMBO!!!!!111!!ONE!

 

[risemix]

OK, searched, didn't see anything specific about it:

I can NOT do ZSS' backward glide toss (character moves backward, throws item forward) for the life of me. I can perform it with other characters just fine. Is it just a really tight window I'm not getting?

 

[ph00tbag]

OK, searched, didn't see anything specific about it:

I can NOT do ZSS' backward glide toss (character moves backward, throws item forward) for the life of me. I can perform it with other characters just fine. Is it just a really tight window I'm not getting?

She can't do it.

 

[risemix]

She can't do it.

Really? I could swear I've seen someone do it in a video before. Ah well. Maybe I'm thinking of another technique.

 

[WarpStatus]

Really? I could swear I've seen someone do it in a video before. Ah well. Maybe I'm thinking of another technique.

Well you can't do it using the backwards roll, but you can do it with the forward roll. So basically face away from your opponent, roll away from them(you should be using the forward roll) while throwing toward your opponent(opposite the way you are moving). The timing is the same as forward (because its the same roll) just throw it the other way.

This way the character still moves backwards(relative to your opponent), but throws the item forward like you wanted. This is probably what you saw in the video.

 

[risemix]

Well you can't do it using the backwards roll, but you can do it with the forward roll. So basically face away from your opponent, roll away from them(you should be using the forward roll) while throwing toward your opponent(opposite the way you are moving). The timing is the same as forward (because its the same roll) just throw it the other way.

This way the character still moves backwards(relative to your opponent), but throws the item forward like you wanted. This is probably what you saw in the video.

This is EXACTLY it. Thank you so much.

 

[DeliciousCake]

Well you can't do it using the backwards roll, but you can do it with the forward roll. So basically face away from your opponent, roll away from them(you should be using the forward roll) while throwing toward your opponent(opposite the way you are moving). The timing is the same as forward (because its the same roll) just throw it the other way.

This way the character still moves backwards(relative to your opponent), but throws the item forward like you wanted. This is probably what you saw in the video.

Low post count? Intelligent thought process? Welcome to the ZSS boards my good lad!

 

[cba]

Exactly what i thought.
I just didnt know how to express them in words.

 

[risemix]

Low post count? Intelligent thought process? Welcome to the ZSS boards my good lad!

 

[FadedImage]

Warp is a legit socal ZSS. Glad to see you lurking here! d:

 

[WarpStatus]

Yeah, I love the lurking. Are you gonna enter scsa #3 or anything faded? I'm sure you've been very busy, but you haven't been to any tournaments for a while. Glad I could be of help to someone.

 

[kATAlyst]

for edgeguarding would dsmash > uair >jump upb work or is it too risky?
and im attending my first tourney tomorrow, should i expect more trouble from metas or falcos?
on a side note, does anyone here use wavebounces (without b sticking)

 

[DeliciousCake]

Warp is a legit socal ZSS. Glad to see you lurking here! d:

Yeah, I wasn't being sarcastic, it's a nice change of pace seeing an intelligent lurker.

 

[oOJaseOo]

hey guys iv started to use ZSS iv read most of your stickies and watched your vids. can you plz tell me whats worth learning and what i shouldn't bother with?

So there isnt anything i should and should not learn?

 

[ph00tbag]

So there isnt anything i should and should not learn?

Try playing some matches and trying to figure out what you could be doing differently by watching videos of good ZSSes. If you can't figure it out for yourself, post a thread with vids of yourself (if possible) and ask for advice. Nothing is really useless on this forum.

Only two moves you really shouldn't worry too much about starting off are fsmash and dair.

 

[FadedImage]

for edgeguarding would dsmash > uair >jump upb work or is it too risky?

It's not that it's too risky, it's just not very good, (low chance of connecting with up-b). If you want to spike, use up-b after running off the edge, or flipspike them out of the stun.

and im attending my first tourney tomorrow, should i expect more trouble from metas or falcos?

Depends on how good you are at the MK match-up. If you're comfortable owning MK, then you'll have more trouble with Falcos, if you aren't so comfortable with MK, you'll have trouble with both, but probably more with MK. Falco is gonna be a ***** no matter what (unless your opponent doesn't know ZSS and failboats at camping you out.)

on a side note, does anyone here use wavebounces (without b sticking)

I really don't think anyone uses wavebounces that much, I mean, it's great for spacing and all that, but I usually just find myself spacing correctly without it.

Are you gonna enter scsa #3 or anything faded? I'm sure you've been very busy, but you haven't been to any tournaments for a while.

this is kind of PM worthy but I already made a post so I don't care. d:

yeah I might be going to Will's Backyard Brawl or whatever it is tomorrow, and I think ViceGrip wants me to go to a tournament later this month, probably SCSA or some other bigger tournament. I miss the tourney scene... *sniffles*

 

[kuenzel]

on a side note, does anyone here use wavebounces (without b sticking)

I do it accidentally every so often: sometimes it works out in my favor, sometimes not.

And I have a question that came to my mind at a tournament yesterday-- Does ZSS have any feesable wall-infinites? Or at least something that can be done against a wall for a few good hits?

 

[oOJaseOo]

Try playing some matches and trying to figure out what you could be doing differently by watching videos of good ZSSes. If you can't figure it out for yourself, post a thread with vids of yourself (if possible) and ask for advice. Nothing is really useless on this forum.

Only two moves you really shouldn't worry too much about starting off are fsmash and dair.

cheers dude thats all i needed thx

 

[FadedImage]

Does ZSS have any feesable wall-infinites? Or at least something that can be done against a wall for a few good hits?

nope... ):

the only thing that gets close is f-tilt (cuz it makes the opponent slide not tumble until around 50%). But f-tilt is ridiculously slow.

 

[kuenzel]

nope... ):

the only thing that gets close is f-tilt (cuz it makes the opponent slide not tumble until around 50%). But f-tilt is ridiculously slow.

Stupid Metaknight...

sigh

 

[risemix]

Stupid Metaknight...

sigh

Just grab release

 

[Snakeee]

Just grab release

Yes 2-10% damage solves everything

Honestly I don't use it at all unless maybe I'm on FD

oh and Faded how is F-tilt "ridiculously" slow? It's 6 frames. It does beat a lot of things with that range.

 

[risemix]

Yes 2-10% damage solves everything

Honestly I don't use it at all unless maybe I'm on FD

Well, the guy was looking for a wall infinite. I'm just saying it's the closest thing we have.

Edit: Should explain further, because really, a wall infinite is nothing like a grab release combo.

The grab-release infinite is an infinite, but it isn't a wall infinite. In retrospect it wasn't the smartest thing to say, but you now know what my line of thinking was. So... yeah.

 

[Popertop]

my friend is looking for a main.

his ZSS is pretty decent, should he stick with her and get it better?

what kind of hard matchups should he look out for?

 

[FadedImage]

oh and Faded how is F-tilt "ridiculously" slow? It's 6 frames. It does beat a lot of things with that range.

in regards to recovery time. it comes out fast, but it's a loooong time before you can perform another one, not even close to locking someone to a wall.

 

[canthandletheSpeculosity]

I use the MK CG not for damage but to refresh my moves.

 

[Dynamism?]

This post isn't really beneficially in any way but I'm posting this because I feel like it! SO RAWR XD

I mained Random, but loved Zamus so much that I've changed my main to 'picking smarties to pick characters' type of thing just so I could include Zamus in my Randomage. So pretty much yeah, just...
Zamus <3

Still trying to figure out the most effecient and safe close range options. I've found that space between her jab and dsmash really tricky. Sometimes dtilt, ftilt, things like that I'm just messing up/could've done better things. Also, more utilt is needed by me. The rest of it will just take some more time.

Just ranting to myself, nvm. lol
Zamus <3

 

[kuenzel]

Well, the guy was looking for a wall infinite. I'm just saying it's the closest thing we have.

lol I was just pissed at seeing a MK down tilt another MK against a little wall in Delphino and get him to like 300%

Just thinking out loud here, but....
Theoretically, wouldn't the grab-release combo against MK be an infinite against a wall (a big wall, like Corneria), because you don't really have to move since he just like falls back to where he was before? Or does it not work like that?

 

[NickRiddle]

Well... I guess this is a question.
Is it known that you can do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDtAsXSku6Y

 

[DeliciousCake]

Well... I guess this is a question.
Is it known that you can do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDtAsXSku6Y

Old. Flip Jump allows you to footstool off of anything and has been known for a long time.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Well... I guess this is a question.
Is it known that you can do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDtAsXSku6Y

Well I know what stages to CP vs Diddy if nothing else.

Old. Flip Jump allows you to footstool off of anything and has been known for a long time.

Still, it's nice to know that you can use it to recover.

BTW Nick, are you going to gigabits?

 

[NickRiddle]

Old. Flip Jump allows you to footstool off of anything and has been known for a long time.

I know that jumping off of items has been known. I'm just asking if anybody thought of doing it like this.

BTW Nick, are you going to gigabits?

Yes I am.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Yes I am.

Neat, I hope to see you there. I'm probably hitching a ride with Aurae and whoever else he drags along. Will be my first tourney (yeah I'm gonna get stomped). FL ZSS FTW.

 

[DeliciousCake]

I know that jumping off of items has been known. I'm just asking if anybody thought of doing it like this.

Seems more like a parlor trick than anything. Might as well just use your tether at that point instead of risking missing the piece.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Seems more like a parlor trick than anything. Might as well just use your tether at that point instead of risking missing the piece.

What if they're hogging the edge, you have a piece or banana in your hand, your third jump is gone, and a solar eclipse suddenly aligns in the sky? What then? Huh? Hm?

 

[DeliciousCake]

Throw the item at them while they're on the edge, Flip Jump off the wall, and then tether.

 

[Kaitou Ace]

So, I seriously hate Pit. What an annoying, spammy piece of ****. Is it a total loss? His smash attacks are quick with good priority and he can block suit pieces and Zamus's projectiles. WTF do I do? ;_;