VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[Wake]

John! Peach dittos! Sometime in the near future!

 

[standardtoaster]

I want to see someone attempt doing her dsmash irl.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I want to see someone attempt her ftilt for me

 

[Wake]

I'd like to see a weak bair (reverse) in real life.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I know a few girls that i wouldnt mind if they [reverse] booty bopped me

edit- and MacD accepted my friend request on facebook! rejoice!

 

[MacD]

dude, you guys are noobs

i've done her ftilt, dsmash, and booty bumped irl

get on my level

 

[Rosedemon]

Nothing compares to Mccains Ke$ha dance IRL.

 

[john!]

if i tried half of peach's moves IRL, i'd probably tear a muscle or something.

SHE MOVES IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS

 

[ConnorTheKid]

dude, you guys are noobs

i've done her ftilt, dsmash, and booty bumped irl

get on my level

you also used Captain Falcon's up+b on Mango from behind.

 

[MacD]

Nothing compares to Mccains Ke$ha dance IRL.

OMG, my ke$ha dance is amazing

*****es should be jealous

 

[john!]

TEAMS MATCHES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKG5Y-FNycg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU4RK3BH_uI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v16KD_HVKU

looking for critique on any/all of them. i've never been particularly good at teams.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I've done Peach's float irl.

I win.

 

[standardtoaster]

vids are needed

 

[Wake]

I've done Peach's float irl.

I win.

I wish I could've seen that.

 

[ShroudedOne]

I've done Peach's float irl.

I win.

Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[Walt]

I've done Peach irl.

I win.

I'll be impressed when it's changed to this^

 

[Wake]

I'll be impressed when it's changed to this^

Even more impressive considering this is the Peach boards

 

[Quaz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXCi47z3TsI

advice would be helpful =3

 

[crush]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXCi47z3TsI

advice would be helpful =3

I'll pass.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXCi47z3TsI

advice would be helpful =3

attack sometimes? i mean, the constantly run away and hit people when they engage you and you aren't fighting them works against people who suck at the game, but chexr obviously saw what you were doing and didnt fall for it.

 

[Palpi]

Peach players sometimes seem hesitant to head in first, when frankly, I love going in first in doubles. Peach can play all styles in doubles.

 

[Quaz]

Sveet thanks bro. Perhaps its time to do some more aggro peach!

 

[john!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXCi47z3TsI

advice would be helpful =3

advice is worthless, your peach is hopelessly bad, there's nothing we can do, i'm sorry...

 

[Quaz]

advice is worthless, your peach is hopelessly bad, there's nothing we can do, i'm sorry...

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

i was pretty harsh there quaz. i was having a bad day and kinda took it out on you in that post. sorry

 

[Wake]

I was just gonna comment on the tone of that post, but Quaz was cool about it so whatever haha

 

[standardtoaster]

Even more impressive considering this is the Peach boards

lost har d

 

[baka4moé]

@john im not very good at advice but from what i saw it seems you have trouble figuring out when to go after your opponent or when to help your teammate (i watch u vs orly/kels). there were a few times when ur teammate was in a bad position against kels and orly was relatively far from you but u opted to fight orly instead of helping ur teammate out, even just going near the two is fine imo, since controlling space is very important as peach in doubles. on the flipside, i saw one part where u opted to chase another onstage opponent instead of an easy edgeguard on someone already offstage. since u were near the offstage guy ur partner should take care of the onstage guy. in doubles the biggest thing is not seeing the field as two 1on1s, and spacing urself relative to ur partner is important. hope that made sense and helped a little...

@quaz, ill just note a couple of the big things i noticed. its fine to play defensive but you need to punish harder, both when you get a hit in and when an opportunity to hit ur opponent presents itself. as for the first type of punish, i mean not just continuing combos, but also work on tech chasing, punishing bad rolls, bad get-up attacks, etc. try to develop the reaction for such things, and figure out when to punish with a grab vs dash attack vs aerial. i noticed a lot of times where u hit him, but instead of continuing to pressure him u ran away or shielded. those are missed opportunities. as for the second type of punish, there were times where chexr would fall for your bait or leave himself open but again u didnt take advantage of it, like when u wd back and he aerials, or missed smash attacks, etc. you do a lot of good waiting, and chexr did some bad things in response, but u didnt punish them for that initial hit. be more confident, and try to react better. watch the set again and try to identify missed opportunities.
also there were some tech skill errors, but thats just practice so whatever lol. hope this makes sense.

 

[john!]

that made a lot of sense. i usually only have 1 enemy in focus at a time, but i probably should be tracking them both.

 

[baka4moé]

since we're asking for advice atm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDlvaHuUwos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H5x0-cUoVQ&feature=related (part 2, if you're so inclined )

i really need help against this kind of falco. i have trouble dealing with camping (laser and platform...) and am looking specifically for advice on how to deal with that, AND how to recover better >_<. ofc general stuff would be nice too. please and thank you! :3

 

[standardtoaster]

What's the fastest method of doing a quick fc nair? I find it easier to just djc nair but that has more landlag.

 

[baka4moé]

^ if u mean inputs i like to be holding down on the control stick already, then let go as soon as i press y. i use the top part of my thumb to hit y and the bottom part to hit a immediately after, so no need to move ur fingers.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I'll be impressed when it's changed to this^

You'll be waiting a long time then.

 

[Quaz]

i was pretty harsh there quaz. i was having a bad day and kinda took it out on you in that post. sorry

meh no worries, when I ask for advice I dont let harsh stuff surprise me.

 

[ShroudedOne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXCi47z3TsI

advice would be helpful =3

I feel like you're rather good at baiting Fox, but not at controlling space, and making him afraid of your range. Many times, I noticed you in one corner, just FC bairing, trying to catch him running into you, and he didn't really fall for that. I also noticed a few times where you ran from him, giving him space, when you could started pressure.

0:13 is an example where you could've probably cover the air with a full jump nair, catching him while he was trying to get on those platforms.

Don't be afraid to put on offensive pressure.

That's rather short, but classes call me...

 

[Palpi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXCi47z3TsI

advice would be helpful =3

Just from the first like 1-2 minutes...it doesn't seem like you are thinking about your opponent. You are just running away and doing random things. It isn't about running in and attacking someone, but about positional pressure.

If you are across the stage doing random float cancel aerials, fox won't run into them and will likely opt to laser. But if you cut off some of the space in between you and fox, the fox will feel more obligated to make an approach.

I also feel like you weren't reacting to fox on tech chases. You were expecting 1 thing and when he didn't do that, you froze up. I saw that you floated for a tech chase expecting the roll away and he teched in place where you could have DJC baired..or just FC bair him, but you still went from the fair covering the roll away. Putting yourself in positions to cover more than 1 option is better than going for the hard punish that only covers 1, unless it is a great read. (this was just 1 example...there were a lot of other things you did, like bair->full hop bair, that just felt forced or robotic. Try to think about your opponent more)

Don't act like you have to run away from everything, peach is a character that benefits from trades alot more than other characters, especially when you are at low percents.

Try to react out of shield better, you waited to nair oos until 2 nairs and he was already gone.

Be more aggressive.

The fox just fell with a bunch of aerials all of the time and you could have dash attack a lot of them, but you opted to run away and pick a turnip...and get often punished.

You down smashed him...and he didn't tech..and you ran away. Once again, pressure isn't only on shield, positional pressure is very advantageous for peach...and every character.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Yeah, that was another thing. You didn't seem conscious of your opponent, which is really important in this game.

I had my own question, but forgot it... *sigh*

I've never actually fought a campy Falco, but I'll see if I can say some things about your vids, baka. Just need to watch them, first.

EDIT: 1st stock of second match...made me school-girl happy.

 

[john!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74RaND3KWfg

here's another singles match of mine. tell me why i suckkkkk

 

[darkatma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74RaND3KWfg

here's another singles match of mine. tell me why i suckkkkk

judging from you match you don't think you suck, you just want people to watch it

anyways i don't have too much advice...

dash dance more, it's hard to do vs falco but very important for finite spacing.
uhh, it's good to untumble as you're falling down, because you have more options that way (airdodge mostly)
don't choose brinstar if you don't know how to use it LOL. Seriously, you need some practice on that stage if you want it to work. Splitting the stage, knowing how the lava works, etc is very important

also be wary of what angles you are approaching falco from. Oftentimes i just see you land into his upsmash/bairs/whatever because you approach without a jump or a float as you're coming down.

anyways win next time.. matt sucks against peach


My turn!

Atma (Peach) vs Deku (Marth)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAVozI00YzM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGz7p5bK1Ho

Atma (Peach) vs Deku (Falco)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH_ki-Jae_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuDU69F0LKU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq3F0gtXKkM

Atma (Peach) vs Deku (Falcon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3YrpqkndHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lwvdk9dKrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST5JqaZbHyU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO_ZjlMIyRI

Atma (Peach) vs Deku (Fox)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iotlW5Pqzsk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2ywC79cj-k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOWykMG3fI0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xW_cvqs9DE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0icMrevzGM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pStUHGNioNE

yeah marth *****.

 

[john!]

judging from you match you don't think you suck, you just want people to watch it

lol you got me

so what angle should i approach falco from? i can't come from below (dair), i can't come from above (bair/nair/crazy jumps/peach's dair sucks), and i can't come from the side (laser)

falco is so dumb

i guess i'll watch your matches and see what you do