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VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

KirbyKaze

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I'd prefer if her F-smash functioned like Mario's F-smash where angling changes its properties.

In this case, if you angle down, you'd get the racket. Up you'd get the pan. Straight forward would produce the club.

But that would be... kind of really good.
 

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The tennis racket has a set knockback at lower percents that it will kill Sheiks at 0 if they ledgehop fair you. I don't see club doing that.
 

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so i have been messing around with the f-tilt and the only use i can find with is teams. an f-tilt sets up a combo with your partner like my doubles partner (ItalianStallion) uses Luigi and CF and it sets up the knee well and Luigi aerials. So my testing a practical use of the f-tilt has been a FAIL!
 

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I'd prefer if her F-smash functioned like Mario's F-smash where angling changes its properties.

In this case, if you angle down, you'd get the racket. Up you'd get the pan. Straight forward would produce the club.

But that would be... kind of really good.
*sigh*

What if the world were made of chocolate and butterflies?
 

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The tennis racket has a way better noise. ****ing satisfying thwack. Serena and Venus all the way.

I can't remember who raised the issue a few pages ago about the use of ftilt in teams, but that does seem like it could have a lot of potential since it could set up for team combo really easily, as long as your partner had good enough reaction.
 

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I actually like the sound of the pan more. But I'm not being sexist.

I saw a match with Silly Kyle and V3ctorman in which Kyle used f-tilt a couple times on Yoshi, and it led into downsmash. Not sure what that proves, cause it's Yoshi, but you never know.
 

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I tried experimenting with that, Mafia on a falcon, and maybe it is just falcon, but he didn't seem to retreat in shield very often no matter how many big combos i got with dash attack. Maybe falcon doesn't have to shield a lot vs peach =/
Falcon's different because he has more reason to stand his ground. Getting the shieldgrab is rewarding for him, but he really just has enough speed to get out of the way and stomp or knee if he's predicting it. On the other hand, spacies have a lot more to fear. Thing is, if they aren't shielding, there's a good chance a wellspaced dash attack will either hit them or out prioritize their attack. Think about that. Against most characters, a well placed dash attack can only get countered by shielding or jumping, and being above peach isn't exactly a playground. Most characters have very limited answers to dash attack, and if peach predicts correctly, she can deal with those answers easily. This is what peach is about, limiting options and when they chose an escape route, blocking it off with a ****ton of priority and positioning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59R-h3E2nl0&feature=related
Vanz vs Th0rn (New England falco, wins all of our tournaments) This set has several textbook examples of dash attack grab mixups, as well as being an outstanding example of the rewards of agressive peach play. Dash attack is godlike.

Racket for god tier. Club for upper tier.
 

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I know who thorn is! :awesome:

I don't know how I forgot about Vanz, probably cause he hasn't been active lately, I have been watching armada, connor, and macd matches to try to enhance my knowledge of peach haha. But yeah, I totally get what you are saying, I noticed how Thorn spot dodges thinking that Vanz will dash attack, and vanz baited it and grabbed him. Thanks for the help :)

-Only peach can cook a meal, and play tennis and golf mid match and get away with it.
 

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I know who thorn is! :awesome:

I don't know how I forgot about Vanz, probably cause he hasn't been active lately, I have been watching armada, connor, and macd matches to try to enhance my knowledge of peach haha. But yeah, I totally get what you are saying, I noticed how Thorn spot dodges thinking that Vanz will dash attack, and vanz baited it and grabbed him. Thanks for the help :)

-Only peach can cook a meal, and play tennis and golf mid match and get away with it.
MacD is probably the best example of this strategy. The important thing to remember when doing this is that the idea isn't to spam dash attack, it's to send your opponent the message that if you're running at them and they're at all vulnerable, they're going to get hit by dash attack. Also, make sure you're thinking about doing it. If they're getting hit by every dash attack for the first 2 stocks, it gets easy to just keep doing it even when it stops working, or remember that if it keeps working, then there's no reason to stop.
 

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wozniacki is much more attractive, so i was gonna say her, but i dont think people who dont follow tennis know who she is...even though she is #1 in the world
Caroline looks like a slightly overweight fish. She maybe be #1, but she hasnt won a major, and that ALWAYS looks bad. At one point last year (I dont remember if it was going into Wimbledon or the US Open) she had like a 0/8 record against people in the top 10.

Yes, she plays A LOT of tennis during the season, but I dont think shes deserving of her number one ranking at all.
 

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I can't remember who raised the issue a few pages ago about the use of ftilt in teams, but that does seem like it could have a lot of potential since it could set up for team combo really easily, as long as your partner had good enough reaction.
yeah the more i use it in team the more disruptive and effective it gets but there it just better moves that can be use it is almost pointless
 

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Caroline looks like a slightly overweight fish. She maybe be #1, but she hasnt won a major, and that ALWAYS looks bad. At one point last year (I dont remember if it was going into Wimbledon or the US Open) she had like a 0/8 record against people in the top 10.

Yes, she plays A LOT of tennis during the season, but I dont think shes deserving of her number one ranking at all.
no girl on the tour right now is deserving of the number one ranking they all are just ok right now. so as of now i think she does deserve it because she does play a lot and wins the small stuff
 

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I actually like the sound of the pan more. But I'm not being sexist.
thank you. all y'all talking about the club and the racket... need to respect the pan... the combos you can do after hitting a fast faller with a pan are ridiculous... and the CLANK sound sounds like it HURTS your opponent. the golf club thud doesn't really cut it for me =/

Caroline looks like a slightly overweight fish.
says the guy whose favorites are serena and venus
 

Rosedemon

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says the guy whose favorites are serena and venus
When all of them are off the court, all dressed up and ****, Serena and Venus look the best by far, with Sharapova being a close third.

All I can say is, dat ***.
 

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I think you need to work on your float cancels, there were a lot of times where I see you floating and doing Fairs or bairs when you could have FC'd them and made them connect. Also, It looks like you are using fsmash, which is fun to use, but there is a lot more combo potential in moves like nair, bair, and uair.

For instance, you dash attacked mewtwo and then did a fsmash when you could have full hop bair'd (reverse bair) into nair, which is more dmg, and probably better positioning after its done aswell. I think working on your float cancelling would be the best general thing for you to work on now. I honestly just picked up peach, so I don't really know the ins and outs of the character yet ;)
 

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zhu was telling me about some of your stuff, i'm so happy for you

hope he told you hi and stuff like i said to
I said hi and he was like... hi back!

I forgot to mention it in a text.

Vanz pulled out two stiches almost immediately against jman. Reminded me of you vs axe.

But yeah Vanz ***** hard today. Playing "bad" people honestly can make you way better.
 
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