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The Unity Ruleset: Discussion
- Thread starter Unity Ruleset Committee
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DeLux
Player that used to be Lux
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I have a few proposals that I'm going to actually release to the public after the meeting if given approval to gauge their opinions. I've already spoken to a few prominent TO's about them, and have gotten positive reception.
The real litmus test of scrutiny imo is gonna have to see if it makes it past the rage crew lol
If it satisfies them, it'll satisfy anybody ><
The real litmus test of scrutiny imo is gonna have to see if it makes it past the rage crew lol
If it satisfies them, it'll satisfy anybody ><
Supreme Dirt
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I'll pretend I didn't see the rest of that post.
Is Metaknight's legality being discussed?
Arcansi
Smash Champion
Waiiiting on twinkieeees posssssssst
Judo777
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False. Norfair is just too freaking big. Catching people can be impossible. The lava is the only reason the stage is even close to being legal. I love this stage a lot (made a long thread on it ages ago) but now I realize that the stage just can't work.....
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I've never had trouble catching people, including Blue Rogue and Krystedez. o_O
Granted, I play MK.
Supreme Dirt
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I have never had trouble catching any character not named Metaknight, Sonic or Pit on Norfair.
Granted I play Ganondorf.
Granted I play Ganondorf.
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Add Wario to that as well. ^^^ Warios love that stage.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Use a faster character. I've used Ike against Sonic on Norfair and didn't have this problem.
Wario would run circles around Ike on this stage. Use a faster character isn't a counter argument if it feeds itself in a cycle and at the top there's not really a counter to it, but just a "variety" of characters being mobile (Wario in the air, MK for getting around platforms smoothly, G&W for being a mix, pika for being a dork, etc)
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[FBC] ESAM
Smash Legend
*wonders what is going on in there since I left*
So, Xyro, what are the possibilities for the new coaching rule? I don't think there is a problem with the current one, and I honestly don't see how you can make it better.
So, Xyro, what are the possibilities for the new coaching rule? I don't think there is a problem with the current one, and I honestly don't see how you can make it better.
Jack Kieser
Smash Champion
So, what I'm getting from DMG is that "boils down to a handful of characters" is the new "boils down to dittos"?
Since when have we ever banned anything for boiling down the gameplay to a handful of characters? Top tier is a handful of characters (if you don't put MK in his own tier). So what if most characters aren't viable on Norfair? Are three or more characters viable? Is there some sort of RPS? If so, don't ban.
It's as simple as that. Judo's / DMG's posts sound an awful lot like "I have problems on this stage, so it must be banworthy". ...which is funny, since DMG plays Wario.
Since when have we ever banned anything for boiling down the gameplay to a handful of characters? Top tier is a handful of characters (if you don't put MK in his own tier). So what if most characters aren't viable on Norfair? Are three or more characters viable? Is there some sort of RPS? If so, don't ban.
It's as simple as that. Judo's / DMG's posts sound an awful lot like "I have problems on this stage, so it must be banworthy". ...which is funny, since DMG plays Wario.
I honestly feel like Norfair would be utter **** if it didn't have lava. I don't know why it's still unviable in its current state (with lava), though.
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
How about adopting the Japanese ruleset?
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
In terms of what?
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
The stage starters for Japan are:
FD
Battlefield
Smashville
counterpicks:
Lylat
YI
PS1
FD
Battlefield
Smashville
counterpicks:
Lylat
YI
PS1
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
What do stages such as Brinstar and Rainbow Cruise really have to offer in terms of diversity?
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08
Do you have to play differently on RC/Brinstar compared to other stages? Yes.
Do they over-centralize gameplay on a very simple tactic? Excluding Meta Knight, no.
Sounds like they add diversity to me.
Ussi
Smash Legend
What do characters like metaknight really have to offer in terms of diversity?
:| you take out RC an brinstar and my statement stands..
Take out MK and your statement can be argued that RC/Brinstar provide some good CPs for characters with no 1 character dominating on them.
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
I'm not a fan of mk.
But still nobody has stated a legit reason as to not giving the japanese ruleset a chance.
Because it accomplishes the opposite of what a good rules set does. You should open and diversify the meta as much as possible while keeping the game in a healthy state, not reduce it down to a strict play style with little divergence.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
We should strive for our rulesets to be as competitive as possible.
The more effectively different scenarios something has, the more competitive it is.
Preserving as much of the game as possible creates more effectively different scenarios.
Do we really have to go over this again?
The more effectively different scenarios something has, the more competitive it is.
Preserving as much of the game as possible creates more effectively different scenarios.
Do we really have to go over this again?
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
So by saying this you're implying that USA>Japan pretty much cause they don't play on certain stages that USA does?
Conviction
Human Nature
No, you should start by not trying to read so hard for subliminal messages in a post that don't even exist.
Are serious about how Brinstar and RC don't add diversity...
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
For MK RC has alot of diversity.
Also, his post kind of implied that USA>Japan cause USA has better rules which means USA is better at the game
Depends on how you define "the game". We probably adapt to stages better and have a better grasp at spacing, but Japan's stage choice seems designed to force combat so they're probably better at fighting. However, if items were turned on since we adapt better we'd probably have the advantage. In this case better is subject to rules assumptions. Though I'm also making a lot of assumptions and this post is blind theorycraft.
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
Isn't that usually a good thing?
Jack Kieser
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Usually, but Brawl isn't only about fighting. It's also about recovering, and in order to test the amount of skill players have at recovering, you'd need a diverse set of recovery conditions...
...which is why you need stage diversity. Jeez, it's not hard.
...which is why you need stage diversity. Jeez, it's not hard.
That and with the way Smash is structured not all fighting is face to face confrontation anyway, positioning and controlling space are important to Smash but Japan's stage list doesn't emphasize this. There are definitely disadvantages to learning the game in such a restricted way.
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
This also goes back to my point of mk on RC. Is that the type of diversity you want?
edit Ben what disadvantages are associated with playing like that?
Only when they take it international.
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@Ankoku, the BBR-RC shot down Norfair discussion. I'm sure if they actually discussed it, the stage would be legal.
Twinkie needs to get in there...
Twinkie needs to get in there...
Not learning to control large areas of space well or being able to do it consistently.
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I'm getting there, I'm getting there, just you wait.
Arcansi
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I've been waiting.I'm getting there, I'm getting there, just you wait.
ON YOUR POST.
Players are not allowed to use any game altering hacks, such as no-tripping.
Why aren't tournaments allowed to be run using this again?
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Black Mantis
Smash Hero
If you've seen japanese pros they know how to do that and be aggro very well.
Shu, Brood, Ocean, Rain, Earth, and Nietono are good examples of this