I've seen you post all over threads about how much you hate PT. Are you just pissy that PT is above Ike or do you have genuine reasoning behind why you believe PT should be lower? Reflex's tournament results may be the most recognised, but TCranter, an Australian smasher consistently places top 8 with PT in tournaments. Squirtle's metagame alone has soared in the past few months. PT deserves the spot it has, its just a big hurdle to get over using 3 mains in 1. For example, you need to know over 100 matchups, so to know how to CP properly you need to know who works best in that situation.
PT has a high learning curve, and fatigue, having to adjust your playing style after every stock loss/switch and being forced to play all 3 pokemon turns a lot of people away from taking it as a main.
But back to my initial question.....
What do you have against PT as evidence that we need to be lower on the list?
1) Sure, others have placed top 8. I don't deny that at all. But how many actually win things? 1. When you think of PT, how many names come to mind? Reflex, and maybe Typh. Heck, I don't deny PT deserved to go up a few spots. But
that maybe because
one guy can win tournaments with him? Due to the guy that did basically the same thing with Lucas? No. I'm sorry, but that is hype, nothing more, nothing less. Reflex has proved that
HE can win tournaments with odd characters, not that
PT deserved to jump that high. There would have had to been several others winning big tournaments to warrant a jump that big. If there had been 3 or 4 people suddenly winning tournaments, PT would have been undoubtably deserving of moving that high in my mind.
If only one guy can do it, it's an anomaly. A fluke. A special case. If multiple people can do it consistently, it's fact. Going by what happened with PT, M2K could decide to go solo with Falcon, win a tournament, and expect him to move up 5 spots all of a sudden next tier list. Because apparently anomaly = fact around here.
2) Denying that fatigue is a fatal flaw is like Ness/Lucas denying that grab releases seriously screw them over. Or Link/Ganondorf/Ike/Olimar denying that their recoveries hurt their game a lot. It.Screw.Them.Over.Harshly. And quiet frankly, the fatigue flaw is the biggest flaw in the game. It's almost like a reverse Aura effect, except you can restart it every time you die/get a chance to switch out. Yes you can work around it, but it still keeps a character down. It keeps Lucas/Ness down, there is no reason why a harsher flaw wouldn't keep PT down.
3) What's Squirtle's big metagame advancement? Everyone has heard about Pikachu's new CGs. Everyone found out about Bowser's/Ike's/D3's grab release shenanigans when they were discovered. Everyone heard about the ZSS combo on ROB, which lead to another footstool combo on ROB already. I haven't heard anything about PT outside of Reflex being able to win tournaments with him for a LONG time. I'm doubting it's actually that big.
Until I see proof of it otherwise: PT's rise was solely on the Reflex hype. It's sad that the tier list can be affected by such things, but it's apparently true.
Prove to me that it's not just Reflex. If Reflex hadn't picked up PT, would PT have risen as high?
And I won't be responding today, as I have tournament johns.