smashkng
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Even without infinites D3 still has advantage. Luigi sucks against long ranged characters, he lacks range and he has abysmal approach.
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Advantage sure, but worst matchup? I doubt it.Even without infinites D3 still has advantage. Luigi sucks against long ranged characters, he lacks range and he has abysmal approach.
Without D3's CG infinite, Luigi has far EASIER time against D3. It's like 45:55 D3 or dead even. You can even watch Co18 v Polmex vids from FL, they simply go even since Co18 is purely legit but just simply skilled.Even without infinites D3 still has advantage. Luigi sucks against long ranged characters, he lacks range and he has abysmal approach.
Marth? I agree Marth is a terrible match for luigi, but it's nothing compared to MK. Luigi can punish Marth's mistakes if he's really patient... with Mk they have to do something really stupid to get punished... not to mention once you're offstage you're toast, even at 50%...Without D3's CG infinite, Luigi has far EASIER time against D3. It's like 45:55 D3 or dead even. You can even watch Co18 v Polmex vids from FL, they simply go even since Co18 is purely legit but just simply skilled.
Luigi is like 6/4 against Oli so oli has a hella hard time against him for various reasons. I've already discussed it with Oli boards and agree with it too back in the day.
IMO Luigi's hardest matchup is Marth. Hes hardest matchups are GAW, D3, MK. They relatively are easy if the opponent is like nub to average level lol.
oh and as for luigi and the long ranged and approach thing, he doesnt exactly "suck" he just has a harder time. I don't know if you know luigi's buffering or crawldash mechanics, but these mechanics make a hell of a difference in approach compared to last year's SH double aerials only meta-game lol.
I've been saying this for a long while but very few people agree with it. KOSMOS didn't really until he played Razer if I recall correctly, so I think it takes a decent Snake to knock this into you. The fact that his utilt goes through a perfectly spaced fair of ours pretty much seals the deal.Well, I see Kos-Mos go even with really good MK's a lot, and he says there is no practicle way for peach to beat a really campy snake, reguardless of skill.
How?I'm lol-ing at GaW, MK, and Snake being Sonic's hardest matchups.
Marth is more difficult than GaW for Sonic, and Snake's nowhere near as difficult as those two.
Marth is probably Sonic's hardest match up.
Espy, you just 2-0'ed Roy_R in tournament. The last 3 or 4 times we have played in tournament I have won every time. I won 2-1 at Whobo, 3-1 at Gamelot, and 2-0 at hobo16 against you. I think Roy_R is better then me, and most GW's just don't understand the match-up with sonic.I'm lol-ing at GaW, MK, and Snake being Sonic's hardest matchups.
Marth is more difficult than GaW for Sonic, and Snake's nowhere near as difficult as those two.
Marth is probably Sonic's hardest match up.
This basically means use Zelda -> take some damage -> go Sheik -> take some more damage, because really, if a Pikachu has you in the damage range that they need to do the CG and they really want to do it, I don't see what's holding him. You can't throw needles and jump away forever.let youself get damage and you can't be zero to deathed anymore. Thats what I do against Gallax's pika. Also pika's grab range is silly there is no reason you should be grabbed in that match up.
If 0 to death chain grabs makes match ups bad then ICs should be everyones worst match up. Obviously that is not the case.
Lol, no he doesn't. I'd be really shocked and sacred if he was reall winning. 0_oCo18 does haha and wins
Ah, yes, the mighty Excellence. Such a known top player that he can say his opinion on match-ups is fact, and he even believes this himself.
Revise that, the statement can go for any character.No.
Ganondorf's hardest matchup is ICs. Any mistake = grab = 0-death = repeat. End of story. Ask the boards yourself.
Also GaW isn't on your new list.
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Yeah, Luigi or Marth is diddy's worst.Falco is definitely not Diddys hardest matchup. Most of the people onthe Diddy boards agree that its between Marth and Luigi.
Also, Ness and Lucas all get inifinited by Marth so he should be their hardest matchup.
I believe Ganons hardest matchup is Sheik. He gets Ftilt comboed like crazy and is easily gimped by needles.
And why is Falcos hardest the ICs. Id say its more G&W or MK.
Shouldnt Falco be D3 hardest too and ROBs hardest should be ZSS.
Shouldnt Foxs hardest be Pika because of the 100%+ combo.
And squirtles I think is Yoshi cause of his CG to spike.
MK is not Sonic's hardest match up.MK is not Sonic's worst MU.
That would be G&W or Marth.
I say Marth is harder.
Wario and Donkey Kong are also an even matchup like Snake and Diddy.At some point, people need to stop looking at the very best examples of players because that begins to obscure match-ups and place too much emphasis on skill.
Lol, no he doesn't. I'd be really shocked and sacred if he was reall winning. 0_o
Oh, right, so you're that jack *** people keep talking about. You know, the one who refused to play a 10yr old kid but kept nagging about how much better than him he was in his ear only to get completely ***** and make excuses about it. Yeah, you're someone to listen to. Credibility denied.
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pikachu needs to start his cgs at very specific percentages. so you can inhale a lot of his grab attempts. his camping is also much less effective when your waddle dees are used well and pikachus only decent kill setup is (insert stupid attack here) to thunder. whose effectiveness is severely limited when you learn how to deal with it properly. not to mention that blank attack to thunder is a pretty crappy setup to begin with. which leaves him with trying to punish mistakes with random smashes/nairFalco cant kill for anything and you can find patterns in the camping and just predict the side bs and he cant edgeguard d3.
Pikachu can actually kill and his camping is extremely safe as well as being able to edgeguard and not getting his recovery punished pretty easily like falco. And I think his cg goes up to 90 now
Yeah man Marth is actually an even match-up, heh.I'd like to point out that ZSS' worst matchup is Falco, unanimously agreed on by most of the ZSS boards, not Marth as listed.
Kirby and Pikachu are both worse than GAW, and probably Marth too. Pikachu in addition to being a fast small target, also chain grabs falco to 100%, that's almost as bad for falco as the IC's chain grab and pikachu is a better character than the IC's otherwise as well. GAW actually isn't amazing against falco, he counters him, but he's not the worst. I think it's definitely IC's or Pikachu.Falco does bad against most characters that are small because it's harder to camp with lasers. So, by my knowledge, his worst matchups would be IC, and GaW. Kirby and pikachu are bad but they don't fully counter him. I'm not sure why IC is worse a matchup for Falco than GaW. Since GaW's arials beat falco's(unless it's dair) plus he can gimp Falco more easily than IC.
IC can spam blizzard against the phantasm but GaW has fast and good arials that pretty much beat Falco's.