Because the ICs have horrible grab releases. Their throws are pretty good, I hear.
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The Best Move?
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Man of Popsicle
Smash Lord
Banana Pull
Marth Fair
D3 Dthrow
MK Up B, B, and Dsmash
Snake Utilt. Grenades, and Ftilt
Jigglypuff Up B
Falco Laser
Bowser Fire Breath and Fortress
Ness Fair and Bthrow
Ice Climber throws
Marth Fair
D3 Dthrow
MK Up B, B, and Dsmash
Snake Utilt. Grenades, and Ftilt
Jigglypuff Up B
Falco Laser
Bowser Fire Breath and Fortress
Ness Fair and Bthrow
Ice Climber throws
Ninja Kirby Nick!
Smash Lord
Actually, now that you mention it, I've lost matches with Falcon more than anyone else...It takes a bit of time to get used to him though
.How come Flame breath isn't decent? It's good for racking up damage, and you can adjust the angle of the flames [slightly] as well. It's one of Bowser's few...agile moves
?Ganon has some EPIC moves, the problem is they're too slow for you to use them to PWN your enemy... I'm suprised you don't like Ganon's thunderstomp, it...kills...(Since I've already expained why it's so cool)..His A move is also good...for Ganon anyway
.I personally believe that ICs have the best grab combos in the game. D3 is better at chain-grabbing than the ICs, but since there are two of them... For example, for an easy grab combo, all you have to do is grab and have Nana (or Popo) and have him/her use dsmash while your grabbing your foe.
I know some players that can not only grab combo me, but grab SPIKE me as well
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smashkng
Smash Lord
So little people saying Wario's fart? Half charged is too good at killing, and fully charged can wreck shields or do 42% damage! Wario's dair and bite are also very good.
Ninja Kirby Nick!
Smash Lord
Wario can fly around by farting. Wario's farts should kill. End of discussion
.If Wario's mouth starts to farting, watch out.
(Well, when I use them, they never kill
!)Kudos for Wario's dair, the one that only true warriors spam ^-^.
[Edit] Sigging the part about Wario's fart for epic win xD.
the only reason i could think of is maybe the charge time. That could be a con.
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
dancing blade
Kirby's bair.
Disjointed, kills decently, racks up damage, spaces, combos into itself, gimps, pressures shields, punishes dodges, and even cancels out lots of projectiles... And the fact that Kirby's pummel is so fast and his grab range is ********, he can refresh it everytime he needs to, making it fresh everytime you need it fresh!
Disjointed, kills decently, racks up damage, spaces, combos into itself, gimps, pressures shields, punishes dodges, and even cancels out lots of projectiles... And the fact that Kirby's pummel is so fast and his grab range is ********, he can refresh it everytime he needs to, making it fresh everytime you need it fresh!
theunabletable
Smash Lord
Wouldn't IC CGs count as two moves? The throw THEN the grab again?
Mr. Escalator
G&W Guru
The best move in the game belongs to Samus.
Utaunt - > Dtaunt -> Utaunt transformation is too good.
Utaunt - > Dtaunt -> Utaunt transformation is too good.
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
lol that taunt does help a lot...
I say Snake's ftilt
I say Snake's ftilt
Neo Exdeath
Smash Ace
I personally say G+W's down B might be it, in terms of defense. In mid-air, it nearly completely cancels any knockback. Also, It's the perfect (okay, maybe PSI Magnet beats it) anti camping attack.
Tin Man
Smash Hero
snake's U tilt, or shuttle loop, 4 sure.
SOMEBODY MAKE A POLL
SOMEBODY MAKE A POLL
shinyspoon42
Smash Journeyman
Guys, I still have yet to see anyone post a better move then samus's zair.
everyone who says IC's grab or D3's grab hasn't thought it through. IC's grab is tiny, and useless. D3's grab is huge, and useless. Throws, however, are pretty darn nice.
Snake's u-tilt isn't fast, is punishable on reaction, if you use it to do damage then you can't use it to kill, it doesn't stop people from projectile spamming you, it doesn't work as a defensive move, all you can do is save it for a kill (and then your opponent expects it and punishes it)
everyone who says IC's grab or D3's grab hasn't thought it through. IC's grab is tiny, and useless. D3's grab is huge, and useless. Throws, however, are pretty darn nice.
Snake's u-tilt isn't fast, is punishable on reaction, if you use it to do damage then you can't use it to kill, it doesn't stop people from projectile spamming you, it doesn't work as a defensive move, all you can do is save it for a kill (and then your opponent expects it and punishes it)
Luxor
Smash Champion
Agreed, snake's utilt is by no means broken. And if you say snake's ftilt is the best move in the game, you just fail. Same goes for MK's loop and tornado.
I disagree with this list. I would say that a move is better rated by
Samus' zair is excellent because it is safe, does a nice 10% damage when sweetspotted (or something in that area), is moderately fast, and has godly range and priority. Snake's ftilt is decent but not excellent because it has godly damage racking potential, great range on the 2nd hit, and can kill- but it's not safe. Utilt is rather similar. MK's Loop is quite punishable in some scenarios, but is still quite useful. Dedede's grab-->dthrow (which imo counts as a single move for all intents and purposes) racks damage well, has great range for a grab but is still short-ranged compared to other moves, has poor priority, and can't kill, all while being quite punishable. IC's grabs and throws (again, essentially a single move) are unsafe, have terrible range and priority, but they do have the best "comboability" of anything in the game leading to a kill- but you need both of them to do it.
Going by my own list, I would say that the best moves in the game (in no particular order) are MK's dair, Marth's fair and dancing blade, Samus' zair, and quite a number of fast projectiles (read: falco pewpew). MK's dair is safe, can camp and rack damage like no other, has good range and priority, is notoriously spammable, and can kill via gimp. Marth's fair is safe, racks damage well, is nigh unbeatable at spacing, has good priority, and can kill. DB is less safe but racks damage and eats shields like no other while having laser priority and the ability to kill. Projectiles are simply unpunishable, can rack up damage, have godly range (if you can call it that) and disjointedness, and some can kill.
My two cents, I'll add more later.
I disagree with this list. I would say that a move is better rated by
- Safety/Lack of punishability/Speed
- Damage racking potential/comboability/shield drain
- Range/Spacing potential
- Priority/Disjointedness
- SA/Reflector/spammability/miscellaneous etc.
- Kill %
Samus' zair is excellent because it is safe, does a nice 10% damage when sweetspotted (or something in that area), is moderately fast, and has godly range and priority. Snake's ftilt is decent but not excellent because it has godly damage racking potential, great range on the 2nd hit, and can kill- but it's not safe. Utilt is rather similar. MK's Loop is quite punishable in some scenarios, but is still quite useful. Dedede's grab-->dthrow (which imo counts as a single move for all intents and purposes) racks damage well, has great range for a grab but is still short-ranged compared to other moves, has poor priority, and can't kill, all while being quite punishable. IC's grabs and throws (again, essentially a single move) are unsafe, have terrible range and priority, but they do have the best "comboability" of anything in the game leading to a kill- but you need both of them to do it.
Going by my own list, I would say that the best moves in the game (in no particular order) are MK's dair, Marth's fair and dancing blade, Samus' zair, and quite a number of fast projectiles (read: falco pewpew). MK's dair is safe, can camp and rack damage like no other, has good range and priority, is notoriously spammable, and can kill via gimp. Marth's fair is safe, racks damage well, is nigh unbeatable at spacing, has good priority, and can kill. DB is less safe but racks damage and eats shields like no other while having laser priority and the ability to kill. Projectiles are simply unpunishable, can rack up damage, have godly range (if you can call it that) and disjointedness, and some can kill.
My two cents, I'll add more later.
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
shuttle loop?
no...
dancing blade
yeah i'm going with dancing blade
no...
dancing blade
yeah i'm going with dancing blade
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Shuttle Loop has invincibility frames, it's fast, has good range, can be used for recovery, can kill, and can lead into glide attack.
CAN YOUR UTILT SAY THAT??
CAN YOUR UTILT SAY THAT??
Nitrix
Smash Ace
In terms of what moves get me the most, I'd say Snake's F-Tilt.
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Can't this thread be summed up with Meta Knight's everything?
FB Dj_Iskascribble
Frostbitten
its defintiely shuttle loop without a doubt.
has invunerability
can kill as low as 0 on certain stages, 60ish as traditional edgeguard
will sweetspot any edge
sends you into glide which is a great recovery
shuts some aproaches completely down
reliable kill move on ground or air
is safe on block
has huge range
disjointed
comes out on frame 5
grounded SL sets up very well for glide attack at lower percents
even reversed it can still have the same knockback as if it was forward, but allows perfect recovery
dancing blade is great but its not better than SL
learn to powershield and samus zair is useless, it can be shielded on reaction
and it does 7% sweet 4% sour
has invunerability
can kill as low as 0 on certain stages, 60ish as traditional edgeguard
will sweetspot any edge
sends you into glide which is a great recovery
shuts some aproaches completely down
reliable kill move on ground or air
is safe on block
has huge range
disjointed
comes out on frame 5
grounded SL sets up very well for glide attack at lower percents
even reversed it can still have the same knockback as if it was forward, but allows perfect recovery
dancing blade is great but its not better than SL
learn to powershield and samus zair is useless, it can be shielded on reaction
and it does 7% sweet 4% sour
Brinzy
Godfather of the Crimean Mafia
Yeah because forcing your opponent to sit there while not being punished makes a move useless, especially when it's safe on PS.
Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises
Smash Hero
mars16
Smash Lord
Sonic spindash and Fire Fox.........I like the effects.
Kantō
Smash Champion
any spike move is pretty good since it can kill at low percents.
my new fav. move is squirtle water gun to gimp people who have ****ty up B's lol
my new fav. move is squirtle water gun to gimp people who have ****ty up B's lol
'V'
Smash Lord
I still say Meta Knight's Shuttle Loop.
professor mgw
Smash Champion
Kirby's inhale of COURSE.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Tristan_win
Not dead.
The best move in the game or at least one of the best is sheik ftilt
Being able to true combo into jabs, tilts, grab, smash attacks, aerials and even footstools it’s combo potential is only rivaled by Zss dsmash and it’s flexibly only the ice climbers chain grab. With a 14 frame adv cap it can combo into every single one of sheiks attacks and when decay it can combo into smash attacks that can kill even with perfect DI by the opponents. If you hit someone with the tip of the ftilt it can also be very hard to time a shield grab if not impossible with those of very short reach mix that with it's only 15 frames of cool down and with a hit box the length of de3 grab that comes out in only 5 frames it's hard to not say it's one of the best moves in the game.
There’s even more feature to this move that people don’t seem to realize like for example it’s a good anti aerial move. It hits not just in front and upper side of sheik but even below so it’s possible to hit people of ledges and platforms. Can be combo into by other moves of sheiks like Sweet spot fair, dtilt, and if you count jab cancels as a combo then those as well. Has decent priority and clings with a good some of ground attacks as well like marth fsmash. Is not only very hard to SDI but isn't effected by it as much as other moves. With the ftilt it’s even possible to do such things like Ftilt – Sweet spot Fair – Ftilt and maybe more if someone is capable of follow decay correctly.
Being able to true combo into jabs, tilts, grab, smash attacks, aerials and even footstools it’s combo potential is only rivaled by Zss dsmash and it’s flexibly only the ice climbers chain grab. With a 14 frame adv cap it can combo into every single one of sheiks attacks and when decay it can combo into smash attacks that can kill even with perfect DI by the opponents. If you hit someone with the tip of the ftilt it can also be very hard to time a shield grab if not impossible with those of very short reach mix that with it's only 15 frames of cool down and with a hit box the length of de3 grab that comes out in only 5 frames it's hard to not say it's one of the best moves in the game.
There’s even more feature to this move that people don’t seem to realize like for example it’s a good anti aerial move. It hits not just in front and upper side of sheik but even below so it’s possible to hit people of ledges and platforms. Can be combo into by other moves of sheiks like Sweet spot fair, dtilt, and if you count jab cancels as a combo then those as well. Has decent priority and clings with a good some of ground attacks as well like marth fsmash. Is not only very hard to SDI but isn't effected by it as much as other moves. With the ftilt it’s even possible to do such things like Ftilt – Sweet spot Fair – Ftilt and maybe more if someone is capable of follow decay correctly.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Uhh, Tornado, though.
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/thread
solecalibur
Smash Master
Quite confindence from a zss main ...
Its very situational if you ask me ZSS's foot can poke out of metaknight's tornado (and so can warios dair if you hit the "eye" of the tornado)