[Secondaries for Peach] Currently Discussing: Yoshi

[Praxis]

Wait, I forgot we covered DK at the beginning LOL. Nevermind. How about the other DK (Diddy Kong)?

 

[Reapd]

even though peach is slow on the ground her glide-tossing, float helps her out tremendously. wouldn't the fact that certain actions like holding a turnip and or mixing up short hops and floats heights threaten people and put them on the defensive so getting around the stage would be much easier for peach than for ike. =o

Many apologies for getting back REALLY late. I haven't been on in a while. But I know that. She has a terrible time on ground movement though and even though she can approach well , her forward ariel is slooow... She would need to RAR to be able to approach without a turnip and thats the problem with Ike as well.. Again, sorry about the REALLY late reply.

 

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

I find the fact that you're currently (or were) discussing Luigi as a secondary very funny since I use Luigi/Peach for the most part. Sure, it doesn't cover up any real disadvantages, but I really like the play style of both of them. That's probably due to my like of using aerials, so it's great that both of them are good at it.

 

[PrepareYourself]

Now discussing the other DK: Diddy Kong.

 

[Praxis]

As one of MK's only arguably neutral/near-neutral matchups, Diddy will help out there. I don't know how he does against Snake...Falco will remain a problem, unfortunately. I think Diddy does better against G&W than Peach, but it's still not his advantage.

Diddy seems to help Peach in most respects, but not enough to give advantageous matchups. It'll give you a better, but still disadvantaged matchup on G&W, an even matchup with Marth (IIRC), a closer matchup with MK...but he'll be useless against Snake and Falco.

Useful, especially if you simply cannot deal with G&W/Marth/MK with Peach. But not spectacular.

 

[Villi]

I think Diddy is a fun character to be. He is a cute little monkey and fights with peanuts and banana peels.

That is all.

 

[PrepareYourself]

lulz.

I was afraid that in my absence, there would be almost too much information for me to fill out, but no...

Bump.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I've been ussing diddy in a lot of friendlies and last tourney i used him in match 2 if i was able to get a two stock in the first match. He's sooooooooo fun and while he doesn't take care of peach's bad matchups he does better than she does. and diddy is good against snake..

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

What Edreese said

Doesn't Diddy supposdly go even with MK on FD?

 

[Semmick]

Yay!! We finally get to Diddy Kong, my own secondarie.

What Edreese said

Doesn't Diddy supposdly go even with MK on FD?

Usually yes

 

[PrepareYourself]

I need:
1. A number rating
2. MORE INFO!!!

Thanks.

 

[PrepareYourself]

Aw c'mon you guys. Failure to give information D:

Anyways, now moving on to Link, second bottom tier.

 

[Morrigan]

Personally I don't like Link...His position in the tier list speaks for himself. Has even more trouble recovering than Peach does, less versatile projectile (bomb) due to lack of glide toss, above average projectile (boomerang), his good aerials are laggy as hell. Bleh...

I need:
1. A number rating
2. MORE INFO!!!

Thanks.

Can't do it yourself? >__>

 

[deepseadiva]

less versatile projectile (bomb) due to lack of glide toss

Doesn't he have some boost throw thing...?

 

[Semmick]

less versatile projectile (bomb) due to lack of glide toss

He has a jump canceled throw though.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

I wouldn't say he has less versatile projectiles - he has three of them and you can also pull a bomb out when you're in the air, something you can't do with a Turnip
Unfortunetly, it's easy to forget that when you've been playing Peach for so long

I honestly can't see why you'd use Link as a secondary. I can't think of any match ups he does better in than Peach. Infact, I'd say he does worse in probably all except a few match ups. Very very bad recovery is what lets Link down sadly

 

[Xyless]

Doesn't he have some boost throw thing...?

He has a boost smash.

 

[Rockin]

We shouldn't play Link as a secondary

cause he's like...serious business

Nah, I honestly like Link. He's a good character on the ground and a bit good in the air. It's only when he's off the stage that he gets owned.

There's a lot of tricks that you can do with Link. One of things he can do, Peach can do the same thing. He can charge a Fsmash while holding a Bomb. Other characters can do the same thing as long as they hold an item, but this may work well with Peach when she holds a turnip. Nice mindgames. I like to use it sometimes.

Link would be good in teams as long as he has a good character to help him with recovery, like Peach.

If you check the Izaw vid, you would see just how good he really is.

 

[Razmakazi]

play link if u want but he's rly techy and might take a while to learn. ;o

 

[M@v]

Yeah.....Link....umm.....well erm.....you would probably be best to not even bother. Toon Link would be a better choice .


On a side note, I think fox's learning curve is actually pretty high. Yes, you can learn to play him basically after a few days, but to know what your doing, I would say 1-2 weeks,

 

[Morrigan]

yeah

rly techy and rly sucky lol

 

[M@v]

If you ever want to make it back to the stage, just say no to link.

 

[Morrigan]

Poor Link

but this is a possible tourney viable character discussion, Link is a no no

 

[Praxis]

Does Link even HAVE any positive matchups? :/

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

I'm going to go with no since the Link Match up thread on their board has magically disappeared...either that or I'm blind O.o

 

[Morrigan]

It didn't disappear, it auto-destructed due to bad matchup overload lololol


jk

 

[ExCeL 52]

Dont play as link .. he is nowhere close to Peach .. if anything use toon link....

 

[Rockin]

I'm going to go with no since the Link Match up thread on their board has magically disappeared...either that or I'm blind O.o

It was taken off of sticky. Nintenjoe is now handling the matchup. He has some fair/good matchup. Also, there is a thing called DI. If anything, it'll make you last longer >>

 

[ExCeL 52]

Rofl I love the Secondary for Metaknight

5/5 Metaknight owns all Metaknight Owns All Metaknight Owns All

 

[Eddie G]

No to Link. I prefer Jiggs, Marth, or Sheik.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

DI is great but you aren't always going to 100% of the time DI correctly
Link's recovery is bad regardless of DI. I've used him a couple of times and it was horrible

 

[M@v]

Does Link even HAVE any positive matchups? :/

Ganon and falcon maybe? Also I heard he does OK vs ike. Not good, but Ok

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Looks like Link won't be getting a very high score then

 

[PrepareYourself]

Can't do it yourself? >__>

I'm a noob.

No, I'm serious. >_>

Brawl to me is spot dodging for 5 minutes while Pit shoots arrows.

 

[Razmakazi]

I told you to start powershielding your bro dammit. Short hop air dodge, dair the arrows, c'mon <_<;

it's not hard.

edit: oh, and lets just discuss y'kno, good characters like pit, zss, D3, etc. >_<;

 

[PrepareYourself]

edit: oh, and lets just discuss y'kno, good characters like pit, zss, D3, etc. >_<;

There's a pattern in the way I'm doing these. There's no preference in this order.

I think we might get to Snake soon though.

Now discussing another bottom tier.

 

[deepseadiva]

Captain Falcon
Ganondorf
Link

The only characters I'd consider nonviable for a tournament. I really haven't seen anything potentially good about them.

 

[PrepareYourself]

I told you to start powershielding your bro dammit. Short hop air dodge, dair the arrows, c'mon <_<;

it's not hard.

edit: oh, and lets just discuss y'kno, good characters like pit, zss, D3, etc. >_<;

Good Character Season is right around the corner after this Ganon discussion.

Next Characters in Line:







O_O

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Side B + prediction = wtfhax D:

Yea...Ganondorf is pretty much another no no

 

[Rockin]

When ya get ****ed up by a Ganon, Capt. Falcon, or a Link.

Ya will know why >>;;