[Secondaries for Peach] Currently Discussing: Yoshi

[BoTastic!]

Praxis, Peach doesn't **** Rob. More like an even match up. I always seen rob with a slight adv but whatever.

 

[Praxis]

What Razmakazi said. He's got similar frustrating matchups- MK, Marth, GDubs. He's great if you have Snake problems, but Peach can handle Snake if you develop the right style pretty well (granted, same thing goes for Marth).

3/5 or 2/5...at least he covers one bad matchup.

 

[PrepareYourself]

Just a bit more, people.

 

[AAP]

no help in the match ups really.

but Wario's aerial based game might lend better to some peach players, his d-air racks the damage and is good for combos (sound familiar??)

I think 3/5 or maybe 3.5/5 for playstyle similarities

 

[PrepareYourself]

Someone start us off with something about Shiek?

 

[RoboticTuna]

Well, the obvious things would be that Sheik is far faster with faster attacks but seems to have even more trouble killing than Peach does, and has no reflector/counter. Sheik also seems to recover better, at least from below the stage as she gets far more distance from jumps.

I don't really use Sheik a lot though, mainly Zelda.

 

[Morrigan]

Sheik...has even more problems killing than Peach, and probably more (or the same) bad match-ups than her. Personally I wouldn't choose her, but having Zelda in her DownB is great for a quick kill after racking damage with Sheik, especially since Zelda's moves are fresh after tranforming, making killing not a problem, but transforming is risky.
Racking damage is a thing Peach doesn't have problems with, though.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

She's got pretty much all the same matchup problems like GW, Meta and such. I agree with everything Dekuu said.

 

[Zankoku]

Sheik is faster, weaker, has generally longer range and lesser priority, no float, and the option of Transforming for a lot more KO power.

Her matchups are like, comparable to Peach's, with a few differences here and there (like doing better against some heavies due to her Transform, and losing to Peach).

 

[PrepareYourself]

Number rating. 2.5 sound fair?

 

[RoboticTuna]

Sounds about right.

Zelda generally would be a far better idea IMO because the increased KO power would help a lot more than being able to rack damage even faster than you normally can.

 

[RyokoYaksa]

Anything that Sheik ftilts well is a match where you should be using Sheik and not Peach.

Unless you're one of those sillies that doesn't like efficiency for some reason.

 

[PrepareYourself]

Bump.

Now discussing Samus.

 

[Morrigan]

Samus, no...lol. Unless she has a sweet advantage over a top tier that I'm not aware of?

 

[PrepareYourself]

Peach is TRASH (against Samus)
Olimar is TRASH (against Samus)
Metaknight is TRASH (against Samus)
Toon Link is TRASH (against Samus)

Look familiar? Some Samus would go all over the character boards and post these for bragging purposes.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

I wouldn't bother paying attention to those threads...

I can't see Samus being a good secondary. I suppose she has a slew of projectiles, a spike and that irritating Zair but...I can't think of any matche ups where she'd excel over Peach

Sheik vs Wolf is horrible, horrible **** btw from what I've heard

 

[rm88]

Samus has problems with KOing, Peach is bad enough at that >_< I don't know, I have yet to see a very good Samus. I can't believe I didn't notice this thread before, I didn't get to discuss Mario and Sheik, two of my favorite characters -.- I'll be here when it's Kirby/Dedede/Jigglypuff/Sonic's turn. And maybe Fox, I'm starting to like him a lot.

 

[PrepareYourself]

Seems no one has anything on Samus really?

Moving on: Ice Climbers.

 

[rm88]

They're quick and strong, and you can always chaingrab... I'd say they would be a decent secondary. I don't really know about their match ups, though.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

If I were the Ice Climbers, I'd refuse to work with Peach after how they got on with her in the last game

Ice Climbers...the only thing that immediatly springs to my mind is infinite chaingrabs on (I think) all the cast. I've heard it takes quite some time to learn

 

[Razmakazi]

If you master all the infinites and chain grab trickies i don't see how ice climbers would be a bad secondary coz no matter who you use those kiddies are always a little scary to see as your opponents. @_@

 

[Praxis]

I dunno how important this is, but I was thinking...if you secondary Ice Climbers, you would counterpick Green Greens against someone who mains or secondaries Dedede without having to worry about being infinited- and you could grab-release infinite him against the walls in return.

(Note that IC's are Dedede's worst matchup)

Basically, my idea is that if you CP Green Greens, your opponent will immediately choose Dedede and snicker at you thinking he's going to infinite you, then you go IC's and watch his facial expression change dramatically.

 

[PrepareYourself]

Dang, this thread died pretty much. Well Metaknight discussion should liven things up.

 

[Razmakazi]

skip metaknight. we all know he'd definitely work no matter what lol.

next character plz.

 

[Praxis]

Everyone here should second MK.
I'm going to second MK now actually xD

If MK doesn't get banned, great. If you WANT him banned, picking him up as a second and showing how he's "too good" to the locals is the best way to do it. And it eliminates all of your bad matchups.

 

[Morrigan]

MK is a good secondary for every character...even for himself lol

 

[PrepareYourself]

Okay next character. 6/5 sounds fair for MK, yes?

 

[M@v]

Fox player here. I don't really see how similar fox is to peach, he is the fastest faller...but the best way to see is by looking to see if fox counters peaches bad matchups. I only play the princess one in a while, so I don't know her matchups very well.

Fox pros
Combo master
Useful ATs
Fast
Has the WTF upsmash
Has some decent top tier matchups(even with snake,DDD, and R.O.B)
Projectile good for forcing approaches

Cons
Good Luck with approaching
Light as a feather
Kill moves(besides upsmash) are so-so.
Projectile not good for racking damage.
Gets Completely owned by pikachu, Zero Suit Samus, and Sheik(Pika:0-80% CG, Zamus-40-50%dsmash locks, and Sheik: 0-60%ish ftilt lock.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Everyone here should second MK.
I'm going to second MK now actually xD

My respect suddenly plummeted for you. For shame Praxis. For shame

jk

What are Fox's good match ups? We really need to find out what match ups affect both Peach's/Weekly Character's so we can compare them

 

[M@v]

My respect suddenly plummeted for you. For shame Praxis. For shame

jk

What are Fox's good match ups? We really need to find out what match ups affect both Peach's/Weekly Character's so we can compare them

Foxs best and advantaged matchups:

Advantage:
CF
Ganon
diddy
ike
Link
samus
R.O.B(55:45 fox)

Fox has a TON of even matchups with mid tier and above
evens:
Snake
DDD
Wolf
TL
Olimar
Pit
Peach

Fox doesn't really Hard Counter anyone besides some low tiers, but he is even with a suprising amount of high/top tiers.

 

[PrepareYourself]

Number rating? 3.5?

 

[JuniorMints]

Fox get ***** by Pika?! I never knew that, Ive always picked Fox to counter Pika to piss people off or Falco, makes that spammy TJ and Thunder useless. but thats just me.

 

[rm88]

Fox has a TON of even matchups with mid tier and above
evens:
Snake

Really? O.o This alone could make Fox a good secondary for Peach...

 

[PrepareYourself]

Really? O.o This alone could make Fox a good secondary for Peach...

Wario is okay as well, and a good Peach can demolish a Snake if he tried. Snake I think is one of our less dominant worries, but yeah.

 

[JuniorMints]

Wario is okay as well, and a good Peach can demolish a Snake if he tried. Snake I think is one of our less dominant worries, but yeah.

agreed. i see a snake main, i laugh, MY peach will **** Snake. See a MK, thats another story. But Ill **** MK too.

 

[Praxis]

My respect suddenly plummeted for you. For shame Praxis. For shame

jk

What are Fox's good match ups? We really need to find out what match ups affect both Peach's/Weekly Character's so we can compare them

Playing MK is the best way to get him banned, by far.

 

[Praxis]

Really? O.o This alone could make Fox a good secondary for Peach...

Snake's not that bad for Peach once you learn the matchup and the right playstyle. There's a running joke about me being a Snake Raper in WA- I do really good against Snakes even above of my skill level.
Not nearly as bad as G&W or Falco (when he camps).

Foxs best and advantaged matchups:

Advantage:
CF
Ganon
diddy
ike
Link
samus
R.O.B(55:45 fox)

Fox has a TON of even matchups with mid tier and above
evens:
Snake
DDD
Wolf
TL
Olimar
Pit
Peach

Fox doesn't really Hard Counter anyone besides some low tiers, but he is even with a suprising amount of high/top tiers.

Hmm :/ Peach already beats Pit and goes even or slight advantage with Dedede, and totally ***** Olimar. Plus, she beats ROB and Diddy... and Snake isn't that horrible.

Seeing too much overlap. Question; how does Fox do against G&W?

 

[PrepareYourself]

Pretty well I'd think.

 

[Brinzy]

I'm sorry to bump this thread, but I'm keeping up with it because I might want to learn Peach for my own fights!

 

[Morrigan]

If you want to learn Peach you're in the wrong thread