At my first melee tourney, they signed me up as turok. I got slightly upset because I hunt no dinosaurs. At that gameware, they had at least 6 copies of turok to rub it in my face. It's Turaz!!
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Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]
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TheManaLord
Smash Hero
truth up in this *****
ChRed2AKrisp
Smash Master
man i totally thought manalord's sig said "now that i'm not just a dinosaur"
and i was like
what else could you be besides a dinosaur?
then i thought
a dinosaur bounty hunter with a race car
and i came.
and i was like
what else could you be besides a dinosaur?
then i thought
a dinosaur bounty hunter with a race car
and i came.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
lol, I only enjoyed the turok with cheat codes.
I liked to torture ppl and shoot them in the head while standing in the open
I liked to torture ppl and shoot them in the head while standing in the open
Juggleguy
Smash Grimer
Someone earlier said whenever Magus posts, it's like Christmas morning.
That person is so right.
That person is so right.
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Deleted member
Guest
falcon vs falco is not that bad to me
at least compared to fox or shiek
at least compared to fox or shiek
D
Deleted member
Guest
The thing about fighting Falco
is that even if you are down 100%, a tiny **** combo will make it even. You can sort of keep up fighting with normal moves against Falco compared to Fox.
On a semi unrelated note,
Only top notch Falcos can do **** combos to Falcons which is great because Falco is a popular noob character. satisfying to crush nooby Falcos
Fox once he is in your face becomes a nightmare if he is technical. The only hope against the nair train is to run like a ***** or get overwhelmed. Fun and very rewarding matchup if opponent doesn't insist on playing like a douche
Shiek is super gay but once they make that single mistake you get **** combos
in conclusion i think people think Falcon vs Falco is harder than it actually is and have a bad mindset, leading to crappier results than normal. Still hard but not impossible
is that even if you are down 100%, a tiny **** combo will make it even. You can sort of keep up fighting with normal moves against Falco compared to Fox.
On a semi unrelated note,
Only top notch Falcos can do **** combos to Falcons which is great because Falco is a popular noob character. satisfying to crush nooby Falcos
Fox once he is in your face becomes a nightmare if he is technical. The only hope against the nair train is to run like a ***** or get overwhelmed. Fun and very rewarding matchup if opponent doesn't insist on playing like a douche
Shiek is super gay but once they make that single mistake you get **** combos
in conclusion i think people think Falcon vs Falco is harder than it actually is and have a bad mindset, leading to crappier results than normal. Still hard but not impossible
thumbswayup
Smash Master
If I ever meet you in person I'm calling you Turok.
lolololol
Eh, all three matchups are horrible and are all pretty close as Falcon's worst opponents. I would say Sheik edges the other two out becuase of her bs autocombos and 345345 dthrows. Plus all you gotta do is grab the spacies with Falcon and there are a million options for **** combos and zero to deaths. There are many combos you can do on Sheik but I find it's harder to zero to death that character. Or maybe I just suck more against Shiek, which would make more sense.
All I know is I'd rather fighter 100 Foxes in a row in tourny than one Sheik or Falco.
I think that Fox is easier for both Falcon and Ganon than Sheik and Falco are for those characters since Fox pretty much has to play rushdown vs. you whereas the other two can camp and control the match better. Then again, Fox's rushdown is ****ing retardedly good 
, I just still think it leaves more openings than playing vs. a good Falco/Sheik in the matchup.
, I just still think it leaves more openings than playing vs. a good Falco/Sheik in the matchup.
thumbswayup
Smash Master
Fox can't up b stall the ledge and his lasers don't hinder your movement. Grabbing him is MUCH easier than the other two lol.
Yeah Mogwai, Sheik and Falco can camp the **** out of you which is stupidly gay so you're forced to get the lead first to avoid that.
Yeah Mogwai, Sheik and Falco can camp the **** out of you which is stupidly gay so you're forced to get the lead first to avoid that.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
Fox is easier in the sense that you can DD freely, but I'd rather play sheik than fox OR falco
sheik is just combo fodder, and if you've got good combo DI they have to take an early nair/fair instead of continuing their combos. and sheik approach seems to **** sheiks so i mean you have some options but it is hard as ****
falco is just gay. any ****** can shield pressure well enough to dodge grabs and lasers are just plain homo. and dair = your stock and it's not like you're recovery can sneak by it...
sheik is just combo fodder, and if you've got good combo DI they have to take an early nair/fair instead of continuing their combos. and sheik approach seems to **** sheiks so i mean you have some options but it is hard as ****
falco is just gay. any ****** can shield pressure well enough to dodge grabs and lasers are just plain homo. and dair = your stock and it's not like you're recovery can sneak by it...
xXx-NoobKing-xXx
Smash Hero
I'm going to have to disagree due to Fox having a recovery and shine spikes. >__>I think that Fox is easier for both Falcon and Ganon than Sheik and Falco are for those characters since Fox pretty much has to play rushdown vs. you whereas the other two can camp and control the match better. Then again, Fox's rushdown is ****ing retardedly good
DippnDots
Feral Youth
Welcome back Big D, missed ya at Kuntasm, I was hoping to show you my flaco :D
well, I'm either a very strong believer in Falco's recovery or a very strong disbeliever in Fox's recovery, but either way I don't think Fox makes it back all that much more than Falco does vs. good edgeguarding.
and Falco has a dair spike that's pretty OK at indiscriminately killing Ganon/Falcon.
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
i don't get gimped by falco's flames, like fox's which usually causes me to lose a jump and then attempt to recover only to be shinespiked
against falco it's like "sure i'll just fly through you with a uair and not worry about ****ing up and dying instead"
plus falco is usually closer to the stage anyway since his up-b has ****ty distance so it's easier to reach that stupid bird
against falco it's like "sure i'll just fly through you with a uair and not worry about ****ing up and dying instead"
plus falco is usually closer to the stage anyway since his up-b has ****ty distance so it's easier to reach that stupid bird
right, larger margin for error is nice, I'm just saying that the difference between the two is not enough to overshadow the fact that Falco's lasers and utilt fux with Falcon a lot more than Fox's do.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
I have a harder time with fox.
Getting hit is alot more detrimental to falcos game.
Juggleguy
Smash Grimer
Keblerelf
Smash Ace
Can i ask a non CF related question?
Scar when you went to that princeton invitational on the first night, did you come straight from work or something related?
Or is it because dressing up is fun?
Just curious~
Scar when you went to that princeton invitational on the first night, did you come straight from work or something related?
Or is it because dressing up is fun?
Just curious~
Tomacawk
Smash Master
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Deleted member
Guest
knee and n-air gets eaten by ness's f-air
so you
wait for ness's f-air to end, like you wait for marth to finish swinging his sword
grab and ****
so you
wait for ness's f-air to end, like you wait for marth to finish swinging his sword
grab and ****
JPOBS
Smash Hero
the debate about whether fox/falco/sheik is tougher matchup boils down to how to play really.
if you need to be able to move freely and your style revolves around DDing and camping, sheik and falco are gonna be tough cuz atleast fox lets you do whatever you want as long as he's not actually hitting you.
if you're style (like mine) revolves around platform movement wavedashing/landing then you would find the falco matchup eaiser cuz his movement on platforms is kinda awkward and lasers dont bother you much.
and if you cant consistently sdi the jab techchase, you probably hate sheik.
if you need to be able to move freely and your style revolves around DDing and camping, sheik and falco are gonna be tough cuz atleast fox lets you do whatever you want as long as he's not actually hitting you.
if you're style (like mine) revolves around platform movement wavedashing/landing then you would find the falco matchup eaiser cuz his movement on platforms is kinda awkward and lasers dont bother you much.
and if you cant consistently sdi the jab techchase, you probably hate sheik.
If you do.... whatever... it will make me perform a sacred combo IRL. Gimpy rage quit + seismic toss.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
Regarding the Ness match-up, I've never really seen any difficulty with it. You can chain grab him, aerial combo the hat right off his head, and there's not a lot he can do to prevent you from edge-guarding.
As it's been succinctly said, "grab to ****".
As it's been succinctly said, "grab to ****".
tubes
Smash Ace
So this question is directed at Scar. When your comboing people, do you notice their % and use your knowledge of what tends to work at that % or do you mostly just "go with the flow"? I know every falcon should memorize certain percentages like when to start u-throwing marth, but to what extent should we use percentages to determine what combos to do?
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
I need halp. Is there a way when reading people with dairs to make the chances of guessing where theyre roll easier? like is double jumping before theyre about to roll better? since you can land right where they are. idk.
Scidadle
Smash Champion
Running away from them makes their mind want to roll away from you as well so that could work sometimes
Scar
#HarveyDent
good **** coming back bigD
g-reg asked me the same question so what i'm gonna do is produce a video next week on how to be as technical as i am with CF
wow that's a really good question
i'd have to say that i just generally KNOW what % they are at but i think that i have a really good understanding of hitstun at certain %s, but you can really react to the trajectory and hitstun animation and sound and figure out how long you have to get there and get a move out
i go with the flow more than anything but out of throws i do do my best to take note of the % and react accordingly, the only one i know for sure though is that marth gets combo'd by uthrow uair at like 31% and peach gets combo'd by FJ FF nair if she gets dthrown at 0% and DIs in
both
west coast
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Deleted member
Guest
Hey Magus420
I was wondering if you knew the mechanics of move staleing/unstaleing
for example, Falcon's stomp ONLY grounds Fox/Falco at 0 percent on the first 16% stomp. I know that repeated use causes them to stale, but I'm wondering how many other moves you need to unstale them
thanks
do moves unstale over time, losing a stock? very unsure, I tried to test with weird results
I was wondering if you knew the mechanics of move staleing/unstaleing
for example, Falcon's stomp ONLY grounds Fox/Falco at 0 percent on the first 16% stomp. I know that repeated use causes them to stale, but I'm wondering how many other moves you need to unstale them
thanks
do moves unstale over time, losing a stock? very unsure, I tried to test with weird results
Dynamism?
Smash Champion
What's with people prefering to fight Shiek/Fox than Falco???
Fox and Shiek have ridiculous things against Falcon, Falco just has the generic Falco combo stuff that he does on everyone.
Falco has lazorz too but he can't shoot them if you knee him in the face before they come out.
Scar, it seemed you had trouble vs Mango (like everyone I guess lol) but do you find that to be a hard match up? Or was it just mango being good? Do you and Jeff/SS trade tips on that match up? He seems to have it down pretty good with the double Falco Zhu/Mango combo in the top of WC.
Just curious to if you're working on that or just had a bad few matches etc. :\
Welcome to WC btw
Ness has utilt and it's mean sometimes if you jump into it after his wiffied Fair :D
Fox and Shiek have ridiculous things against Falcon, Falco just has the generic Falco combo stuff that he does on everyone.
Falco has lazorz too but he can't shoot them if you knee him in the face before they come out.
Scar, it seemed you had trouble vs Mango (like everyone I guess lol) but do you find that to be a hard match up? Or was it just mango being good? Do you and Jeff/SS trade tips on that match up? He seems to have it down pretty good with the double Falco Zhu/Mango combo in the top of WC.
Just curious to if you're working on that or just had a bad few matches etc. :\
Welcome to WC btw
Ness has utilt and it's mean sometimes if you jump into it after his wiffied Fair :D
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
Scar in general what would be the best way to apprach an opponent? im not the best, I usually just side-b ( i know thats bad and predictable) or i'll wait for opponent to move, then sheild grab, or SH>Dair and SH>Nair
and SH>Knee, and of course jc grab>techchase>****
any tips?
and SH>Knee, and of course jc grab>techchase>****
any tips?
JPOBS
Smash Hero
vs falco
sheild/dodge lasers til he gets bored
nair OoS to beat his approach (laser-> watever. insert nair after laser)
combo
knee or somthing???
profit.
just beat him to the punch
sheild/dodge lasers til he gets bored
nair OoS to beat his approach (laser-> watever. insert nair after laser)
combo
knee or somthing???
profit.
just beat him to the punch
tubes
Smash Ace
Well I'm not Scar but generally spacing nairs works alright as something you can not potentially get 0-deathed for attempting.
Lately I've been wondering if it's actually possible for Falcon to hit a standing Fox with nair using the tip of his foot. It seems as though the first kick goes over his head unless you space it a little closer than I would like to.
Scar
#HarveyDent
good **** doc
yeah if you can bait shieldgrabs you're in a good position
to paraphrase from the book of g-reg, you have to look like you're going to attack when in actually you aren't going to at all. baiting shieldgrabs is great but if you can put people in their shield just by your movement you're doing it right
watch vids and see how often good falcons approach. it's like never, unless it's me vs tec0 in which case i'm a ****** and jump at him all the time
at least you know sideB is bad
yeah if you can bait shieldgrabs you're in a good position
to paraphrase from the book of g-reg, you have to look like you're going to attack when in actually you aren't going to at all. baiting shieldgrabs is great but if you can put people in their shield just by your movement you're doing it right
watch vids and see how often good falcons approach. it's like never, unless it's me vs tec0 in which case i'm a ****** and jump at him all the time
Afro_Chris
Smash Ace
scar i'll mm u at pound 4, not 100% sure if im going yet tho