Reason Why Meta Knight SHOULDN'T be ban

[goldemblem]

tiers lists are created based on rankings

S Rank <Uber>
1 Meta Knight (54 top8, 37 top4, 18 top2, 25 wins) - 966.1
2 Snake (35 top8, 30 top4, 19 top2, 17 wins) - 813.0

A Rank <Overused>
3 Mr. Game & Watch (29 top8, 19 top4, 6 top2, 9 wins) - 328.8 - 4
4 King Dedede (26 top8, 20 top4, 7 top2, 8 wins) - 314.8 - 3
5 Wario (6 top8, 4 top4, 3 top2, 8 wins)[/color] - 303.8
6 Marth (32 top8, 20 top4, 12 top2, 4 wins) - 288.9

As you can see meta is top, snake is mostly used because it can somewhat counter meta ,Mr. G&W, Marth and King D3 have neutral matchups with a little disadvantage aginst metaknight, as i see the metagame revolves around meta and ways to defeat him, the rise in DK use has gone crazy because some1 said that i tcountered meta, so to put it simple: almost all the metagame revolves around metaknight, it's almost like Affinity in Mirrodin, In my experience Metaknight it's a hard matchup with fox, so i have to use someone who can fight him (DDD); I hate when i have to change my favorite character just because people use meta's and in most tourneys i have went, at least 30% of the players main meta, and everyone uses it as a counterpick, in the top lists i always see at least 2 or 3 metas (that it's not the case with snake), if you don't agree with the facts and belive meta is overpowered then i belive your mother dropped you when you were a baby

 

[Ulevo]

One, where did that chart came from?

Two:


There's alot more reason on why Yoshi has the advantage than just a Chaingrab, but this isn't really the place to discuss such a thing. If you're talking about the Grab Release off the ledge to Fair that was discovered about 3 days ago? If yes, then it is a guarantee spike. I also wonder if you're getting confused with Yoshi Release to Usmash... Marth's unavoidable Usmash that kills at about 80% is better than an unavoidable Spike that kills at 48%? Plus an unavoidable Nair also that also kills at 80%?

And I can see why Yoshi can have some problems on Battlefield, Lylat, ect. but the Release attacks still apply, just need positioning. Plus his Uair and Eggs work very well if MetaKnight has the high ground

In the video that is provided for the thread in the Yoshi forum, it clearly shows Meta Knight being able to activate attacks prior to being hit from the Fair. They just don't out prioritize it. I'm sure a Shuttle Loop or Tornado would, or an Air Dodge would suffice. I also had this attempted on me by my friend who tried to pull this, and I Shuttle Loop'd each time. It also makes no sense how this works, as if you grab Meta Knight and release him on stage, he is able to jump before he hits the ground. You are only able to spike him once he is below the stage, correct? So please explain to me how you can't react by them even though you're beyond the point in which you should be able to.

Also, Marth cannot USmash Meta Knight. He can only Dancing Blade, Fair or Dolphin Slash.

 

[Ulevo]

tiers lists are created based on rankings

S Rank <Uber>
1 Meta Knight (54 top8, 37 top4, 18 top2, 25 wins) - 966.1
2 Snake (35 top8, 30 top4, 19 top2, 17 wins) - 813.0

A Rank <Overused>
3 Mr. Game & Watch (29 top8, 19 top4, 6 top2, 9 wins) - 328.8 - 4
4 King Dedede (26 top8, 20 top4, 7 top2, 8 wins) - 314.8 - 3
5 Wario (6 top8, 4 top4, 3 top2, 8 wins)[/color] - 303.8
6 Marth (32 top8, 20 top4, 12 top2, 4 wins) - 288.9

As you can see meta is top, snake is mostly used because it can somewhat counter meta ,Mr. G&W, Marth and King D3 have neutral matchups with a little disadvantage aginst metaknight, as i see the metagame revolves around meta and ways to defeat him, the rise in DK use has gone crazy because some1 said that i tcountered meta, so to put it simple: almost all the metagame revolves around metaknight, it's almost like Affinity in Mirrodin, In my experience Metaknight it's a hard matchup with fox, so i have to use someone who can fight him (DDD); I hate when i have to change my favorite character just because people use meta's and in most tourneys i have went, at least 30% of the players main meta, and everyone uses it as a counterpick, in the top lists i always see at least 2 or 3 metas (that it's not the case with snake), if you don't agree with the facts and belive meta is overpowered then i belive your mother dropped you when you were a baby

If you feel you can't win because everyone chooses Meta Knight, you should stop playing Brawl, choose Meta Knight yourself, or do what any decent Smasher would do and play who they want to and find a way to beat Meta Knight. If you feel your self justified assumptions are the reasons for the way things are at this point, you are wrong.

 

[DAYSH]

ppl spend too much time complaining and not enough time trying to find a way to beat him.

 

[goldemblem]

Tiers are determined by placings in tournaments, thus it's not a tier list but a tournament ranking list, play against metas a lot and i can defeat them, the thing that bothers me it's that if i go to a tourney and play against 5 or 6 people 4 or 5 of those people will use meta at some point of the match, even i have used meta against Olimars, IC and a lot of other characters, it's easy to play with meta and just by choosing him you have an advantage, if you think that i said that that was a tier list, I think you were dropped as a baby and then kicked in the nuts

 

[Mmac]

In the video that is provided for the thread in the Yoshi forum, it clearly shows Meta Knight being able to activate attacks prior to being hit from the Fair. They just don't out prioritize it. I'm sure a Shuttle Loop or Tornado would, or an Air Dodge would suffice. I also had this attempted on me by my friend who tried to pull this, and I Shuttle Loop'd each time. It also makes no sense how this works, as if you grab Meta Knight and release him on stage, he is able to jump before he hits the ground. You are only able to spike him once he is below the stage, correct? So please explain to me how you can't react by them even though you're beyond the point in which you should be able to.

Yeah, I should update that video. The video was me and my friend testing on a theory. Because we only had much time, we only did the attacks. the video is literary me discovering it for the first time.

What I found out later is that positioning on the ledge is very important, in the sense that you can't be directly on the ledge to spike him for the other cases. If Yoshi is slightly away from the ledge, but not on it. The Running speed will cancel out the much needed distance, makes MetaKnight closer from the ledge to spike, and makes the timing perfect?.... I don't know how it works... It just does... By being in this spot, Yoshi can Spike MetaKnight just barley before he does anything (He hits him before he can activates the tornado, and equalizes the shuttleloop. Yoshi still takes the hit, but so do you)

Also if he ends up on the ledge, he can just do a Rising Nair, which I explained kills fresh at about 80-85%

Also, Marth cannot USmash Meta Knight. He can only Dancing Blade, Fair or Dolphin Slash.

Is this an air release, or a ground release? I thought he could do a Sliding Usmash like the others...

Edit: Personally, I think Matchup's are the most important aspect of a Tier List

 

[Dojo]

Tiers are determined by placings in tournaments, thus it's not a tier list but a tournament ranking list, play against metas a lot and i can defeat them, the thing that bothers me it's that if i go to a tourney and play against 5 or 6 people 4 or 5 of those people will use meta at some point of the match, even i have used meta against Olimars, IC and a lot of other characters, it's easy to play with meta and just by choosing him you have an advantage, if you think that i said that that was a tier list, I think you were dropped as a baby and then kicked in the nuts

It's easy to beat scrubs with meta.... and that's all. Any top players that dont play the knight have already found ways to take him out. That TR list doesn't do **** for anyone. Subtract points for how many MK's have lost in tourney and see where he stands... He can be beaten. People have found ways already. More and more will be found. Stop *****ing and do some work...

 

[goldemblem]

Did you read what i wrote? I have beaten meta's it's one of the matches i am more used to; the thing is that i hate fighting so many metas, sure you can beat meta, but not all metas, and if that much metas have lost in tourneys that shows that the metagame revolves around meta and all players thus play meta. So Stop ****ing and put attention to what other people say

 

[Phigo]

enough -.- :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1xXfPWrsA4&feature=related (Link beating MK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNde-b4Im0s&feature=related (R.O.B. beating MK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3BUN-N1VhU&feature=related (lol... Pika beating MK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPuYxueJVsE&feature=related (Ganondorf beating MK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kicaSVXPe_c (ZSS beating MK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IPYeEHBvog (Kirby beating MK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g169n3mL0_g&feature=related (Sonic beating MK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47QIkWGPm7c&feature=related (Olimar beating MK)

and so on and so on and so on....
so, what was the problem at beating mk?? ._.

 

[Dojo]

Did you read what i wrote? I have beaten meta's it's one of the matches i am more used to; the thing is that i hate fighting so many metas, sure you can beat meta, but not all metas, and if that much metas have lost in tourneys that shows that the metagame revolves around meta and all players thus play meta. So Stop ****ing and put attention to what other people say

Big deal, he's got a popularity rush going right now because random scrubs think they have a chance at winning. Same thing happened with Snake in the beginning. He was never banned. MK's a good character and we have alot of users for him right now. That'll die down after a bit. Just like other characters, he can be beaten.

And stop throwing down the not-reading card and telling other people to read your post. That's been done way too much now. You said just by choosing him, you have the advantage. Maybe in a battle against a non-skilled player that can hold true, but to play at a high level with him, work still has to be done just like everyone else.

I only addressed the last part of your statement because that's what bothered me. The popularity rush among scrubs will die down eventually. But to play at the highest level, you still have to have skill.

 

[goldemblem]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UOfWAVKu7k&feature=related (Mk beating TL)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gdtsNZQSrg (MK vs MK finals)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlnPrVoRosY (MK vs Diddy finals)

I think you get it, posting some videos does not mean anything...sure you can beat meta sometimes, but meta it/s still ruler

 

[goldemblem]

Big deal, he's got a popularity rush going right now because random scrubs think they have a chance at winning. Same thing happened with Snake in the beginning. He was never banned. MK's a good character and we have alot of users for him right now. That'll die down after a bit. Just like other characters, he can be beaten.

And stop throwing down the not-reading card and telling other people to read your post. That's been done way too much now. You said just by choosing him, you have the advantage. Maybe in a battle against a non-skilled player that can hold true, but to play at a high level with him, work still has to be done just like everyone else.

I only addressed the last part of your statement because that's what bothered me. The popularity rush among scrubs will die down eventually. But to play at the highest level, you still have to have skill.

I agree with you, but what i say it's from experience, i play some pretty good guys, there it's 1 metaknight main in the crew i belong, when i play against him i wlways can beat hm, but when he chooses metaknight the things it's way harder, i don't think meta is invincible but has a easy learning curve and a top player using meta it's almost doom, there was a national tourney in monterrey, i went to that tourney, strangely enought i only fighter 2 metas, but in the top 8, 4 guys were meta mains, 2 were snake and 1 rob (champion) and 1 D3, so the top 8 was full with metas and counters to meta, so taht metagame was playing around meta

 

[Phigo]

well, all waht i wanted to say with that vids was that if you can beat someone there is no need to want him get banned...
maybe limited (not more than 2 or 3 mk's pro tournament, or something in that way...)
but that should it be and not more...

 

[Rogue Pit]

I agree with gold emblem on that one. MK takes the least amount of skillz to win with. And posting some videos do not mean anything.
The fact is that Mk is not a rounded character anyone who says otherwise needs to review. I read the first 3 pages and got bored than read some of the last. Basically i see a lot of people of the debate if Mk has a counter and what his weakness is.

But let's face facts here, Mk does have the least bad match ups in the game. You say snake is a counter but even some snakes lose to Mk in tourneys as i'm sure you've heard of. He has very long reach, actually longer than pits in every way, glide attack, dsmash, fsmash. He has amazing priority and sadly i've lost to knewbs to who only know 4 moves with him. Tornado, shuttle loop, down smash, and Drill Rush.
But i'm done repeating all you've read before, Metaknight isn't rounded, Metaknight has maybe 2 downfalls and if used to potientol almost impossible to beat.

Sure Azen won the tourney, Azen didn't play M2k, M2k lost to NL, and Chudat, all pros, all who m2k has beat before. Just because he lost that one time doesn't change the universe like most noobs are now thinking that NL is must better than M2k, yet noone discusses Chu's win.

People are blinded and don't see things for what its worth. Metaknight is no doubt the best character in the game, Im sure Sakuria didn't mean to make the fastest dsmash one of the strongest.
Anywayz Mk is pit's Anti char. I've faced so many people in tournament matchs who don't even play metaknight but has counterpicked me with him. The most annoying thing ever, and sadly it works sometimes.

To Sum everything up, Mk probably should be banned, noone is saying he can't be used in friendlies, noone is saying every brawl game is going to be cleared of Metaknight. Chances are most of the people who have input here has never been to a tournament in their life, this doesn't concern you.

Im not saying that being meta is such a pain, which he is, i understand that hes your mains and thats fine, but he has one of the easiest learning curves, and i just Ko'd my friend today with shuttle loop at 42% after it hit. Mk is just broken, and most likely should be excluded from the tournament scene.

 

[goldemblem]

that it's what i am saying, maybe a soft ban, like street fighter, or maybe a test to probe if meta is that broken, i really think it should be banned, but banning something it's mostly a last chance option, It's just my opinion, probably it should be tested or discussed seriously by the SBR, because all my mains are ***** by MK so i have to play characters that i don't like too much, so it kind of pisses me off sometimes

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

baning a character because you dont know the match up is ********.......grow a pair

 

[OverLade]

baning a character because you dont know the match up is ********.......grow a pair

Lets be honest, some characters CAN'T BEAT A GOOD META.

I've seen good bowsers take out good Snakes. I've seen good ganons take out good falcos. I see GaW get ***** all the time, noob or pro.

But honestly, a pro meta is never going to lose to the lesser half of the cast unless he's stupid. Meta has such an absurd edge over the lower half of the cast that he practically makes them unplayable.

I'm not vouching for a ban, but that's wrong saying that knowing the matchup is going to save you.

 

[Phigo]

that it's what i am saying, maybe a soft ban, like street fighter, or maybe a test to probe if meta is that broken, i really think it should be banned, but banning something it's mostly a last chance option, It's just my opinion, probably it should be tested or discussed seriously by the SBR, because all my mains are ***** by MK so i have to play characters that i don't like too much, so it kind of pisses me off sometimes

ok... at least i agree with every thing you have said, soft ban while a test period and then decide what is to do seems like to be the best choice...
there is not really more to say...

 

[ADHD]

I think he should be banned, I don't have a problem with him anymore because the character I main puts up a great fight against him but he's just way too **** good and he's putting characters into the unusable category. He's slowing down the game and basically we'll just have in the future--MK, Snake, diddy, lucario, GnW, and maybe a few others that do OK against MK. It's ****ing ridiculous, it makes you main characters you don't even want to.

 

[Vect0r]

Why he shouldn't be banned: Meta Knight isn't cheap.

Good characters =/= cheap characters.

 

[chckn]

well, all waht i wanted to say with that vids was that if you can beat someone there is no need to want him get banned...
maybe limited (not more than 2 or 3 mk's pro tournament, or something in that way...)
but that should it be and not more...

First off, quotes like this make this whole discussion rediculous. How are you gonna limit the amount of people that are allowed to use a character in a tournament -___-.

Why he shouldn't be banned: Meta Knight isn't cheap.

Good characters =/= cheap characters.

This is completely irrelevant to anything. People argue that link is "cheap" in ssbm because you can just spin attack. Does that mean he should be banned? I hate when nubs use that word to describe characters. At top levels of gameplay button mashing is not effective. Even the earlier MK's that won by tornado whoring and b-up alone are being beaten now b/c people learned the matchup.


If youre going to ban a character at least ban him for the right reasons. Not b/c he counters your main, not because you are unfamiliar with the matchup, but because he breaks the game and makes a vast amount of the cast unplayable that would otherwise not be.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME that is not the case, people are still placing with other characters, but that is right now. If things change and we see pretty much nothing but mks winning MAJOR tournaments then something has to be done.

Mind you, I main ROB and that matchup is literally UNPLAYABLE. It is impossible to beat a good mk with rob almost. So instead of complaining, I learned the matchup with GW and didnt lose to a single mk last tourney. Its not a counter, MK HAS NO REAL COUNTERS, but it is a character that can compete with him. And as long as there are characters that can beat MK at the competitive level then he will not be banned.

 

[Baky]

enough -.- :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1xXfPWrsA4&feature=related (Link beating MK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNde-b4Im0s&feature=related (R.O.B. beating MK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3BUN-N1VhU&feature=related (lol... Pika beating MK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPuYxueJVsE&feature=related (Ganondorf beating MK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kicaSVXPe_c (ZSS beating MK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IPYeEHBvog (Kirby beating MK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g169n3mL0_g&feature=related (Sonic beating MK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47QIkWGPm7c&feature=related (Olimar beating MK)

and so on and so on and so on....
so, what was the problem at beating mk?? ._.

...

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Did you honestly just post videos of the japanese brawl before brawl was released in america. Players didn't know half of the gay tactics used by metaknights today.

Dude. If you are going to post vids. At least post one that was recent. Like 1 to 2 month recent.

 

[Dojo]

If youre going to ban a character at least ban him for the right reasons. Not b/c he counters your main, not because you are unfamiliar with the matchup, but because he breaks the game and makes a vast amount of the cast unplayable that would otherwise not be.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME that is not the case, people are still placing with other characters, but that is right now. If things change and we see pretty much nothing but mks winning MAJOR tournaments then something has to be done.

Mind you, I main ROB and that matchup is literally UNPLAYABLE. It is impossible to beat a good mk with rob almost. So instead of complaining, I learned the matchup with GW and didnt lose to a single mk last tourney. Its not a counter, MK HAS NO REAL COUNTERS, but it is a character that can compete with him. And as long as there are characters that can beat MK at the competitive level then he will not be banned.

This is win. Nice post.

 

[lax guy5]

I flat-out hate MK but I don't think he should be banned. It's just dumb if you can ban someones main. But I do agree that he is extremely cheap.

 

[Affinity]

But I do agree that he is extremely cheap.

"Cheap" is just another way of saying "I'm not good enough to beat them."

 

[Rhykune]

Ok, this is probably going to end up being a long post. I'll just start off by saying I do not want Metaknight banned. NOT because I main him and don't want to give him up, but for a couple reasons. One is that skill should always be the deciding factor in a match, regardless of characters being played. If you say that Metaknight takes no skill to play, I say that Metaknight takes skill to beat. Just look at Azen vs M2K. Many would argue that M2K is the best metaknight, but still he got beat by Lucario, an above average, not spectacular character. If Metaknight is so cheap, then the best one should never lose, but Azen just has so much skill and played so spectacularly that the character difference no longer mattered, and his smart playing helped him get the win. Skill was the deciding factor in that fight, not the awesomeness of one of the characters. Many argue that it is an uphill battle for every character against Metaknight, I agree with this, but it just gives all the more reason for people to play and practice to become even better than before with other characters. They have a CHALLENGE against Metaknight. If Metaknight supposedly has no challenges, he will improve at a much slower rate than the other characters. Because of this, the skill level of all the non-MN's will improve to the point where they can beat Metaknights.

 

[chckn]

really long post

You cannot base banning or not banning a character on a single set. Anyways most MK's agree that lucario is pretty much an even matchup if played real defensively.

 

[Rhykune]

really long postQUOTE]


You cannot base banning or not banning a character on a single set. Anyways most MK's agree that lucario is pretty much an even matchup if played real defensively.

That was just an example of how with skill and smart playing, good Metaknights can be beatable. I am sure that there are many more examples.

 

[Rogue Pit]

That is so annoying, people are idiots just because azen beat m2k doesnt mean azen is better, just because it happened like 3 times doesnt mean lucario and meta go even. Hes azen he can beat people with pichu in brawl (i know) Stop looking at 3 tournaments when you dont know them all, m2k has won many more tourneys than azen with azen placing second or lower. M2k is a human being and with that he makes mistakes, along with brawl dumb mechanics people have lost tourneys to tripping. M2k is a great melee player but his style is countered by good jigglys. M2k is the best but not perfect, dont compare the name of meta to m2k and say he isnt broken because m2k lost a few matchs. So many people switched to diddy when they heard NL beat m2k. Lets get real and see it for what its worth, ur mk players your decisiom is bias and thats it.

 

[otg]

MetaKnight shouldn't be banned because he's the only character in Brawl worth playing. Plus, he kinda proves how unbalanced this game truly is, and I think the more people play as him the more they will see it.

 

[Vect0r]

"Cheap" is just another way of saying "I'm not good enough to beat them."

I totally agree with you. All these nubs can't stand him simply because they get owned.

 

[Mew2King]

actually azen's never won a recent set against me except with Ike the same month that brawl was released before I knew how to shield cancel. However, all our sets were close, 3-2, 2-1, and 3-1, with very very close matches. It's basically 50/50. And Lucario does pretty good vs MK cuz MK can't kill him, and Lucario gets very strong. You all heard of how good Forte is right, well last chu biweekly Azen almost 3 stocked him in tourney the last game, I was behind them watching. I also am not good vs Diddy and most weird chars that I lack experience against. Matchup experience is extremely important. NL isn't better than me obviously, he's so inconsistent and I'm not, he's just really good with banana pressure and he ***** metaknight. Of me, infernoomni, and azens tourney matches vs him with MK, I came the closest to winning.

Also, as I said before, a lot of the reason MK is so popular is cuz ppl heard that MK won tourneys, that is influenced highly by forte and me, and the fact that I helped dsf/vidjo/infernoomni/plank/jman among some other people get better. Stop trying to argue with a stupid point system when it's heavily influenced by popularity. Back when I mained DDD I still thought the same thing, MK was easy to **** and I'd prefer fighting MK than some random weird character. This past weekend at Smashtality 4 I even got a JV 4 stock off in tourney with DDD, and even though I came close, I never did that with MK yet. I actually beat Azen, DSF, Forte, Plank, and many others by more with DDD vs their mains than I do with MK, OMG, DDD SHOULD BE BANNED! Actually, over half the people I play I beat by more with DDD, probably because they have no experience in the matchup, but I use MK cuz he's more fun because I can do more things with him.

Edit - I'd rather MK ditto someone than fight Pit. See how matchup experience matters.

 

[goldemblem]

Metaknight it's broken, no matter what you say, since the demo came out people placed metaknight as top tier material, when i played the demo i too believed that meta and D3 were going to be top tier, posting this on the meta boards was a mistake, obviously all the meta mains will protect their character, but even then you cannot argue with facts, meta is THE TOP CHARACTER and all the torneys are being centralized by meta, there are characters that are just not playable because of meta, i think meta deserves to be tested by SBR and seriously consider a ban or soft ban, if you meta mains don't agree with me, i don't care, facts are facts, if you tell me something stoopid like: you haven't played good metas or stop playing brawl, i will tell you that i have played against a lot of metas and with meta, he is strong, the strongest character in the game and he ***** most characters in the cast.

luigi, fox, IC, C.falcon, olimar, pkmn trainer (except to a certain extent charizard), bowser, mario, ike, lucas, ness, sonic, jiggly, samus, link.

i don't know about other characters, but i belive MK also beats yoshi, wario, ganondor and samus.

And most of the other characters have an uphill battle but even matchups, if that it's not broken i don't know what it is

 

[cutter]

I just talked to Overswarm and he said the SBR is not going to ban Metaknight unless there is full, concrete evidence to support a ban; that was one of the factors.

Banning something is an absolute last resort. Anybody who has played other games competitively (especially Magic the Gathering) knows that you don't just ban things left and right.

 

[Mew2King]

they would only ban it as an excuse for the MK players ****** them, most MKs are scrubs who are predictible anyway. Just do MK dittos if you want to whine about it that much, if you are better you will win.

 

[Ulevo]

Metaknight it's broken, no matter what you say, since the demo came out people placed metaknight as top tier material, when i played the demo i too believed that meta and D3 were going to be top tier, posting this on the meta boards was a mistake, obviously all the meta mains will protect their character, but even then you cannot argue with facts, meta is THE TOP CHARACTER and all the torneys are being centralized by meta, there are characters that are just not playable because of meta, i think meta deserves to be tested by SBR and seriously consider a ban or soft ban, if you meta mains don't agree with me, i don't care, facts are facts, if you tell me something stoopid like: you haven't played good metas or stop playing brawl, i will tell you that i have played against a lot of metas and with meta, he is strong, the strongest character in the game and he ***** most characters in the cast.

luigi, fox, IC, C.falcon, olimar, pkmn trainer (except to a certain extent charizard), bowser, mario, ike, lucas, ness, sonic, jiggly, samus, link.

i don't know about other characters, but i belive MK also beats yoshi, wario, ganondor and samus.

And most of the other characters have an uphill battle but even matchups, if that it's not broken i don't know what it is

So exactly what are these facts you've been talking about? You have proved nothing. We are all aware of how Meta Knight is a good player, Top Tier, and potentially the best character. You have not presented any evidence as to why he should be banned, and instead have spammed this thread with your complaints and "facts".

Actually present points while talking, or don't talk at all.

 

[goldemblem]

i know that, i said that in my earlier post, with magic skullclamp and affinity for standard, with street fighter, akuma and old sagat has a soft ban, i don't say that metaknight will be banned right now, but if tourneys continue like this, it's only a matter of time; that or the metagame will warp around metaknight

 

[goldemblem]

I never said it should be banned, i said it deserved some testing to come to a conclusion, the facts are the tournament standings and that ever1 agrees he is top tier, i don't like to ban stuff, but i think it deserves some testing

 

[Mmac]

Goldem, some of the characters you listed actually does ok against MetaKnight

Fox does decent, Ice Climbers has the "If you get grabbed, your dead" factor, Pokemon Trainer does ok too, and Charizard helps alot, Bowser has a nasty Grab Release on him, Ike just needs to play smart and don't leave himself open too much, Samus Don't know much about, but I'm sure that she could do decent against him too. Same with Link. Yoshi is actually being debated if he actually has an ADVANTAGE over him.

And some of the others you listed like Jigglypuff, Falcon, and Ganondorf won't really matter. They'll still be screwed by everyone else anyways.

As for the others, a Bad Matchup is a bad matchup. It's how the game works. They still do well or decent against the other high tier characters. Only problem is that he's popular, but you can't ban him off of popularity. He's annoying, but you just have to suck it up. Either learn how to deal with him with your character, or Counterpick. There's no reason for him to be banned right now

 

[cutter]

they would only ban it as an excuse for the MK players ****** them, most MKs are scrubs who are predictible anyway. Just do MK dittos if you want to whine about it that much, if you are better you will win.

EXACTLY.

I go through this same exact thing in Magic when I play with cards like Bitterblossom and Tarmogoyf (very good cards, but not ban worthy) and everyone complains. Affinity on the other hand, ruined the game completely and I still am scarred by the painful memories of that nightmare of a deck

BTW M2K, have you ever played Magic?