Reason Why Meta Knight SHOULDN'T be ban

[Phigo]

why should he be banned? o_O
did he win every tournament? i dont think so...
is he unbeatable? no one is unbeatable...
counters? well... i would say it depends on your and your opponents skill, everyone CAN beat mk ._. no one says it have to be easy to win against someone, if an easy fight is what you wish, well... then i dont know... every char can be hard to beat...
and for example: if a man wins 7 real tournaments (no matter what, boxing, kung fu, swimming, etc....) in a row, even nobody think he should be banned XD why people think so with mk?? please explain <.<

 

[Master Raven]

I'm not convinced ROB goes even head to head with MK. If anything I think the matchup is 6:4 in MK's favor, and how does ZSS even do well enough against MK better than most of the cast?

 

[OverLade]

I'm not convinced ROB goes even head to head with MK. If anything I think the matchup is 6:4 in MK's favor, and how does ZSS even do well enough against MK better than most of the cast?

ZSS is EXTREMELY HARD to fight with Metaknight. ZSS outranges MK on the ground, and doesn't have to fight MK in the air if she doesn't want to. And her Forward B kills MK at like 80% with bad DI.
And you can't edguard her, because her down B is a powerful spike. Try to gimp her and you risk being killed at almost any percent. I've NEVER beaten a good ZSS with MK, even if I can beat that ZSS player with any other character.

DK, Diddy, Snake, GnW, ROB, ZSS, lucario, Wario, Falco, Marth, Toon Link, sometimes Wolf, mabye Olimar.

With varying degrees of success, these are the characters I see beat Metaknight. MK really limits the cast of characters playable, mainly because SO many people play as him. I really feel for overswarm having to fight MK's back to back to back, because it's never easy.

 

[Doggalina]

and for example: if a man wins 7 real tournaments (no matter what, boxing, kung fu, swimming, etc....) in a row, even nobody think he should be banned XD why people think so with mk?? please explain <.<

That example is horrendous. The closest thing that example is is somebody winning 7 tourneys with completely different characters each time.

In your example, you want to ban the player. Meta isn't that. Meta is a tool. If that guy won those tourneys using performance enhancing drugs, that'd be more akin to maining Meta.

 

[brinboy789]

no one shouild be banned from brawl. people are just johning because they lose to meta and they want an excuse for thier loss. THATS PATHETIC. suck it up people. if you dont like meta then use him or learn to use snake or dk or something. he has pros and cons like every char. i think you know his pros but
CONS:
~ light, easy to send flying
~ attacks are weak
~ has like...2 finishing moves?
~ the only 2 finishing moves get weakened :\


so.....
why should he be banned besides for people looking for an excuse to lose?

 

[Doggalina]

META HAS NO PROBLEM FINISHING. He has plenty of killing moves and really good gimping ability. If you think that his "cons" balance out his pros, then you don't know anything about Meta. Meta has the tools to easily work around all of his cons.

And beating Meta with DK is NOT a walk in the park.

One of the main arguments for banning is that it's becoming so that you have to at least second Meta to do well in tourneys. Banning Meta could improve variety and balance.

However, that's not my decision to make.

 

[Ace55]

and for example: if a man wins 7 real tournaments (no matter what, boxing, kung fu, swimming, etc....) in a row, even nobody think he should be banned XD why people think so with mk?? please explain <.<

Yeah man we should totally ban that guy Phelps. He's so broken.

But in all seriousness, MK should be the one beeing banned.

 

[UltiMario]

MK is causing More of a Debate than Walk off stages + D3 CG. Waaay back when.

****, I wish that people would Just
SHUT
THE
F***
UP

 

[Ballistaboy]

I dont think he should be banned but to some of the Meta players and that one idiot Yoshi player that try to tone down metaknight, you are crazy.

For the Yoshi player

One, yoshi has invincibility frames on upsmash and it really isn't that easy. If it is that easy then you just destroyed all of Meta's approaches with 1 move so now he's in a lower teir than yoshi.

Smart Metaknight players arent going to just run in blindly even the OK ones think. I doubt you can easily get out of Metaknights nado unless he backs off... he also has many more approaches like in the air.


I used to play lucas but i stopped because it is near impossible to hit a metaknight without spamming pk fire, his tilts outrange and are faster than mine, smashes are quicker, has better air control and and can gimp me easily.

Ppl will go o just dodge or sidestep but since Metaknights attacks consist of 3 hits like ftilt, fair, bair, or can be used repeatedly like uair, dair, dtilt, dsmash. its not that easy

[/rant]

 

[Doggalina]

A friend wanted me to post this on his behalf (warning, flammable contents!):

All MetaKnight users are enjoying the obvious multiple-jumping, deadly-quick, long-reaching, and generally overpowered character than they are currently using to make themselves feel extra special by winning matches against other people/characters.

I too enjoy winning. It's a great feeling, especially if you are an average MetaKnight user (12 years old, fat, useless) and would have no other way to get that sense of accomplishment. However, being a normal person and winning a race in the Special Olympics doesn't make you a winner, it makes you an utter piece of human trash. This is the best metaphor to describe MetaKnight vs the rest of the Brawl Lineup. Contrary to the popular belief of the MetaKnight users, Snake can be beaten. Facing Snake can actually be a fun match because he can infact be beaten quite easily. A good Snake user actually has to think to win matches. The nade spam and broken reach do make him a great character but he is very beatable. MetaKnight users only have to press B about 100 times

then down smash and repeat.

Granted, he did oversimplify Meta's strategy. He uses up b, too.

Spoiler

THAT WAS A JOKE

 

[bluebolt]

people think he's broken just because us metaknight players are sooo goood~

 

[Doggalina]

people think he's broken just because us metaknight players are sooo goood~

I'll group that with all of the arrogant non-arguments MK players tend to make, along with "ur just jealouss!! " and "Snake is just as OP" and "ur just johning, lol. MK is just as beatable as everyone else. Brawl is just as balanced as Melee. Just look at Fox!"

 

[bluebolt]

I'll group that with all of the arrogant non-arguments MK players tend to make, along with "ur just jealouss!! " and "Snake is just as OP" and "ur just johning, lol. MK is just as beatable as everyone else. Brawl is just as balanced as Melee. Just look at Fox!"

you realise I was joking right?
anyway I agree. he falls very fast, can be an advantage, but its more disadvantage.
that and his shoes look kinda funny.

 

[Doggalina]

Sorry if you were joking. I thought you were making a typical MK post. Thankfully, you were joking.

 

[TeeVee]

I'm tired of losing to scrubby metas, it's reached that point where I am just gonna pick him up.

 

[Vect0r]

why the hell would Meta Knight be banned? He's good yes, but not overpowered.

 

[SOVAman]

why the hell would Meta Knight be banned? He's good yes, but not overpowered.

He good and overpowered

 

[Master Raven]

I'm tired of losing to scrubby metas, it's reached that point where I am just gonna pick him up.

LOL I can destroy any scrubby MK with some of my non-MK characters (most notably DK who's like my second main).

 

[TeeVee]

ha well good news to meta mains, overswarm has joined the broken side...

 

[Affinity]

A friend wanted me to post this on his behalf (warning, flammable contents!):

All MetaKnight users are enjoying the obvious multiple-jumping, deadly-quick, long-reaching, and generally overpowered character than they are currently using to make themselves feel extra special by winning matches against other people/characters.

I too enjoy winning. It's a great feeling, especially if you are an average MetaKnight user (12 years old, fat, useless) and would have no other way to get that sense of accomplishment. However, being a normal person and winning a race in the Special Olympics doesn't make you a winner, it makes you an utter piece of human trash. This is the best metaphor to describe MetaKnight vs the rest of the Brawl Lineup. Contrary to the popular belief of the MetaKnight users, Snake can be beaten. Facing Snake can actually be a fun match because he can infact be beaten quite easily. A good Snake user actually has to think to win matches. The nade spam and broken reach do make him a great character but he is very beatable. MetaKnight users only have to press B about 100 times

then down smash and repeat.

Granted, he did oversimplify Meta's strategy. He uses up b, too.

Spoiler

THAT WAS A JOKE

Your friend is completely ********.

 

[TeeVee]

The rob boards now look like this

50 percent - picking up meta
25 percent - sticking with rob (mostly casual)
25 percent - playing melee

Obviously, these are joke numbers but the rob boards seriously are in a crisis due to mk. Anyone who says rob has the advantage is just flat out wrong.

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

because you guys are *******es. dude too pick up MK just to win is ***ish. Ive been using him since it came out in japan because my melee main marth felt werid. Then Sonic wasnt unlocked and MK looked cool. I get flamed non stop for playing a fun character, i liked MK since early Feb. so pick him up w/e but then you shouldnt play the game just to win

 

[TheSMASHtyke]

Since runaway pillow feathers can KO him, I'd say his weight is Metaknights only real flaw.

The rob boards now look like this

50 percent - picking up meta
25 percent - sticking with rob (mostly casual)
25 percent - playing melee

Obviously, these are joke numbers but the rob boards seriously are in a crisis due to mk. Anyone who says rob has the advantage is just flat out wrong.

I know very little about R.O.B, but I know he can be campy if he wants to. Metaknight is pretty much forced to jump into the ****.

EDIT: Picked up MK in the first place just because I thought a flying swordsmen was an awesome concept

 

[TeeVee]

This is a competative game where money is involved. If there is a character with advantages far superior than every other character, why not use him?

 

[Doggalina]

you shouldnt play the game just to win

Money's on the line. This is competitive Smash, we play to win.

 

[TeeVee]

See, doggalina knows what's going on ; half of the people on this board have never been to a tournament so they really don't care...

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

i have been to a lot of tournies

 

[Doggalina]

See, doggalina knows what's going on ; half of the people on this board have never been to a tournament so they really don't care...

lol, I've never been in an actual tourney (plan to go the Indiana Circuit event, WTON, though), but I play with a competitive mindset and keep up to date on the competitive scene. You can play honorably or play to win. The latter will pay you pack in cash.

 

[TeeVee]

i have been to a lot of tournies

So when you go to tournaments, you don't play to win? You must have money to throw away then...

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

no i do but fawken switching to meta is gay but idc really do w/e

 

[TeeVee]

no i do but fawken switching to meta is gay but idc really do w/e

If it's a friendly I'll use someone more fun because friendlies dont matter as much, but if it's a tourny then I'm going to try to win, meta is obviously the best character in brawl, by far (whether you label him as broken or not) so using him would only be the smartest decision...

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

IDC .....lol

 

[Punishment Divine]

Judging from xzax's recent posts, I think it's safe to say his points are moot.

You don't seem to understand what that mindset means: Meta Knight is the best character in the game, BY FAR. No other character comes close. The only safe way to play against MK is an MK ditto. 90% of the tournament scene is now MK with the rest being Snakes because he's the only one with a really decent shot. Meta Knight has now reached Akuma tier.

That's what I see happening within the next few months. The meta game will be WAY overcentralized, thus making this game we play competitively totally NON competitive, along with sucking the little fun there is around it away.

 

[Ulevo]

lol, I've never been in an actual tourney

That says enough.

It is bad enough when posters decide to make claims about the potential of characters within the competitive environment when they aren't even concerned with the tournament scene. Although this may not be the case for you, you are NOT inclined to make half the claims you make and called them truth based on theory craft and your casual matches or "honorable" friendlies. Until you have been to a tournament, and actually played with players that would eat your best with their secondaries or goof-arounds, you shouldn't be discussing the banning of a character, or making self justified posts with little experience to go by.

As for the actual topic at hand, Meta Knight is a solid character. Very solid. He is not by game definition, "broken". Not even close in my opinion.

He has four characters with a sure match up advantage with Donkey Kong, Snake, G&W, and Falco. Others seem to believe that Diddy Kong has an advantage, however I cannot credit to that. I also believe Dedede has the advantage as well. I would believe that if he were broken, this would not be the case.

Characters such as Marth and Lucario fair on even ground with Meta Knight as well. The rest of the cast suffers a slight to severe disadvantage. Does this mean Meta Knight is "broken", or in need of banning? Once again, no. This means he is Top Tier, and a good character, which no one is denying.

 

[TeeVee]

Judging from xzax's recent posts, I think it's safe to say his points are moot.

You don't seem to understand what that mindset means: Meta Knight is the best character in the game, BY FAR. No other character comes close. The only safe way to play against MK is an MK ditto. 90% of the tournament scene is now MK with the rest being Snakes because he's the only one with a really decent shot. Meta Knight has now reached Akuma tier.

That's what I see happening within the next few months. The meta game will be WAY overcentralized, thus making this game we play competitively totally NON competitive, along with sucking the little fun there is around it away.

A little over exaggerated but I agree with just about everything you said...

 

[Kratos1]

I'm sorry but I will take take anything from this thread dealing with meta mains. Cause it can all be bais.

Most characters cant do much about the tornado with Meta. Why you think people spam that move? If it was that simple to punish, meta's would not be spamming the move now would they? They spam it cause lil you can do about it and you can get away with it.

Why you think M2k mains meta? M2k plays to win and plays gay. He does not care, he just wants to win. So any character that you can beast and be gay with, most people will pick them alot just to win. Meta is a good character that ***** everyone. And Has good priority. I don't care about how you meta's play. But if you can't see where the other side is comming from, then you are just being bold cause he is your mains.

Ether way Meta should not be bann cause if you bann him, you might as well bann chain grabbing.

 

[-Gambit-]

Who does MK go even with?

Someone share this divine knowledge with me plz.

Meta himself is one of the only true counters.

 

[Kratos1]

Meta himself is one of the only true counters.

Snake does good and is consider Meta's true counter. If meta does not get cheap kills of of Snake, Snake beats Meta.

 

[Punishment Divine]

Look it doesn't matter whether he's broken or not. The fact remains that he is miles ahead of any other character. When there's a character with almost no weaknesses who's only safe matchup is himself, the metagame becomes overcentralized.

Characters could beat Akuma in Street Fighter. The problem is that using ANY other character became pointless. If Akuma is the best, why fight an uphill battle when we can just play Akuma v Akuma all day and see who's best at that?

Unless you can SOMEHOW limit the number of MK's at a tournament, every player who is playing to win will probably switch to MK. Look at DSF in Cali. He used to play Marth and Snake a lot, now I'm hearing he's switched to MK. Overswarm is suffering the same. M2K over here on the east coast plays him because he wants to win. The only players who have yet to suffer from this are the ones like Azen, Chu Dat, and people who are on a whole different level than 98% of the smash community.

This really turns off new players. It will make people who are just getting in or are relatively new, or even vet players, say " Wow why would I want to play 'SSB:The Best Meta Knight Wins!' "

I'm not saying outright ban him, although that would take a big load off me and the hate going on for Brawl, but something like a Soft Ban would make a lot of sense

 

[TeeVee]

Look it doesn't matter whether he's broken or not. The fact remains that he is miles ahead of any other character. When there's a character with almost no weaknesses who's only safe matchup is himself, the metagame becomes overcentralized.

Characters could beat Akuma in Street Fighter. The problem is that using ANY other character became pointless. If Akuma is the best, why fight an uphill battle when we can just play Akuma v Akuma all day and see who's best at that?

Unless you can SOMEHOW limit the number of MK's at a tournament, every player who is playing to win will probably switch to MK. Look at DSF in Cali. He used to play Marth and Snake a lot, now I'm hearing he's switched to MK. Overswarm is suffering the same. M2K over here on the east coast plays him because he wants to win. The only players who have yet to suffer from this are the ones like Azen, Chu Dat, and people who are on a whole different level than 98% of the smash community.

This really turns off new players. It will make people who are just getting in or are relatively new, or even vet players, say " Wow why would I want to play 'SSB:The Best Meta Knight Wins!' "

I'm not saying outright ban him, although that would take a big load off me and the hate going on for Brawl, but something like a Soft Ban would make a lot of sense

I like it when this guy posts...