Pikachu Can Chain-Grab MK to 60%

[Affinity]

It's true. I had it done on me yesterday by Stealth Raptor:

The following is confirmed to be true:

Dthrow Chaingrab
MK
- 10 - 60 with a fresh or close to fresh dthrow. Controller port might be important.
May begin from less then 10% or 0%, more info is needed on port priority.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225783

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v8Myoltijo


-Affinity

 

[gallax]

ooooooo. get scared MK. get scared. we pikas are now your true worst nightmare.

 

[The Truth!]

Im starting to regret sharing this info -_-

 

[SSJ5Goku8932]

Im starting to regret sharing this info -_-

It looks like we are discovered in here.

Of course I only played Pika for fun

 

[brinboy789]

but...how? isnt MK a light char? and not a fast faller? how does this work >_>

ugh, who does pika have trouble against? i hope wario -_-;

edit: ussi what are you talking about

 

[Ussi]

MKs, you still have a ****ing sword which is Pikachu's ultimate weakness.

EDIT: brin its FAST FALLER

 

[SSJ5Goku8932]

Yeah, you guys just need to space really REALLY well.

 

[Veril]

this is awesome, now my Pikachu maining friend will john (slightly) less when I use MK. Huzzah.

 

[Dark 3nergy]

Im starting to regret sharing this info -_-

Dont be. This is how we progress the Meta game. Finding ways to avoid it, either by getting on another character or ultimately not getting grabbed while on meta.

As for myself, i'll just get on Kirby -- yet even while im on kirby. I'll try my hardest not to get grabbed.


also just in case anyone missed that;

DONT
GET
GRABBED

but...how? isnt MK a light char? and not a heavy faller? how does this work >_>

ugh, who does pika have trouble against? i hope wario -_-;

Game and Watch a good place to start. As of right now, Pikachu doesnt have a CG on him that i know of. See G&W match-up thread for more info.

According to the new CG thread the Pika's got in some circumstances Wario can be CG'ed to 130%. So its probably not worth the risk. But the Pikachu's are still testing this new information so it might all be tentative to change. Keep an eye on their thread like i am.

 

[Affinity]

but...how? isnt MK a light char? and not a fast faller? how does this work >_>

The Pikachu has to buffer the grab after he D-throws.

This is proven to work. When Stealth did it to me I tried DI'ing, dodging, U-air'ing, D-air'ing, everything; completely inescapable til around 60%.

Yeah, you guys just need to space really REALLY well.

D-air camping til your percentage hits higher than 10% works fine.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

Dont be. This is how we progress the Meta game. Finding ways to avoid it, either by getting on another character or ultimately not getting grabbed while on meta.

THIS! omg some of the pikas dont want us to hide the info but THIS is so important. we are striving to advance the metagame, not be hidey little *****es.

 

[PhantomX]

Wario works fine. The only way he gets CGed to 130 is if he gets grabbed at an edge... which shouldn't happen anyway... even so, I'm pretty sure he can survive the finishers.

 

[Blistering Speed]

D-air camping til your percentage hits higher than 10% works fine.

Why only till 10%? Isn't it a 10%-60% CG?

 

[Zylar]

^This.
Also, where be all the metas?

 

[The Truth!]

THIS! omg some of the pikas dont want us to hide the info but THIS is so important. we are striving to advance the metagame, not be hidey little *****es.

Some of us like winning too...

 

[Sushi-Man]

Some of us like winning too...

I don't . . .

 

[Staco]

its extremely hard to land a grabt at a good meta, who knows that you want to get one
mk isnt very predictable, so you wont often get a grab

only one chaingrab, which is hard to land wont make pikachu to a mk counter

maybe the mu changes from 65:35? to 60:40, but nothing more happens xP

 

[Affinity]

Why only till 10%? Isn't it a 10%-60% CG?

The chain-grab only works from 0-10% to 60%. It can't start anywhere in-between.

 

[HiddenBowser]

dair camping's not that great of an idea vs a pika of anther's caliber but I guess it's a good way to take 10% damage...

the cg only works before 10% because you need to stale it properly.

 

[brinboy789]

its extremely hard to land a grabt at a good meta, who knows that you want to get one
mk isnt very predictable, so you wont often get a grab

only one chaingrab, which is hard to land wont make pikachu to a mk counter

maybe the mu changes from 65:35? to 60:40, but nothing more happens xP

a 60% CG only changes .05%? what kind of world do we live in

 

[Ussi]

Pikachu can fair > grab, its one of his grab set ups.

 

[OverLade]

Dtilt to grab works as well if it trips.

I want to see videos of this though, has anyone made some?

 

[Infinitysmash]

a 60% CG only changes .05%? what kind of world do we live in

Math fail.

0.5% x 10² = 5% = total change

 

[OverLade]

Just wondering...but how did it take someone so long to find this?

 

[Ussi]

Just wondering...but how did it take someone so long to find this?

11 months. Some japanese guy figured it out in February. Micheal Hay translated it at the end of the month. No one took him seriously till 4 days ago.

 

[momochuu]

I think you guys should have kept this quiet. :x

 

[OverLade]

Why would any one complain that Pikachu now has more game on MK as well as other characters?

It'd be nice having someone else in top tier....

 

[Affinity]

I think you guys should have kept this quiet. :x

We would have found out about this eventually

 

[SSJ5Goku8932]

We would have found out about this eventually

You do not main pika,

Or do you?

 

[brinboy789]

Math fail.

0.5% x 10² = 5% = total change

wow...my sickness is really getting to me

>_>

 

[ADHD]

If this is true I think pikachu will become a massively used mk counterpick.

 

[Hiza]

I play K' and Beah? with relative frequency, I would have experienced this obvious **** sooner or later.. Also Metaknight is still just as broken at 60%- this is all a little much.

 

[ADHD]

It doesn't matter, pika can go somewhat even according to thyrzy, and with this chaingrab it can only help more.

 

[_Phloat_]

Anther beat Spamerer in a game without this

Therefore, pikachu beats MK 88-12.

Obvious.

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

If this is true I think pikachu will become a massively used mk counterpick.

I'm already thinking about this. I honestly believe that it would be worth it for me to make my Pikachu better just to CP MK. And for the most part, I think Pikachu is a fun character to play.

 

[OverLade]

Yeah Anther knows his Shiz against Metaknight, he just as easily could've beaten spam, as all the matches were hella close.

It'll be nice to see an underplayed character get some more attention as well.

 

[Ussi]

People can't just PICK UP pikachu to beat MK. MK has a ****ing SWORD! Swords are Pikachu's worst nightmare. Back it up with speed and your on your way of becoming a soft counter to Pikachu.

Pikachu has to know how to OVERCOME his disjointed range weakness.

But at high levels of play, I can consider this 45-55 (still MKs favor) since 60% is over half of MK's stock right there and Pikachu combos EVERYONE. And uair combos forever <3

 

[MaxDeUh]

Pikachu Can Chain-Grab MK to 60%

Ah ****.

I'm going to try and lengthen this post so I don't get more infractions.

 

[Zylar]

VIDEO IS HERE!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v8Myoltijo

Just quoting...

 

[Stealth Raptor]

for anyone complaining that we let this out early, it was affinity's decision, not mine, to post this in the mk thread. he was the one i decided to test it on since he happened to be in town and is good with mk, so why not. and hiding it is stupid. i intend to use this on any mk i ever face. or anyone else on teh list for that matter.