Official MBR Tier List

[adumbrodeus]

I don't think anyone's ignoring how crucial it is, people are just saying that classifying it as part of movement is incorrect.



On an unrelated note, you still play melee DMG?

 

[KAOSTAR]

Yea, techroll is le ****. I just dont think when classifying movement techroll should be mentioned. IMO its best classified under another category.

 

[TresChikon]

Sooo... is having a good roll considered good movement?

Cuz Ganon's roll in teams is pretttttyy good.

 

[ranmaru]

i think falcon should have his own tier in ntsc between low tier and bottom tier.

Done it is called... Falcon tier.

 

[DMG]

Adum: Yeah I play Melee still. I'm trying to get back into it fully. Like playing more than sporadically with some of the Dallas people whenever I go there for a tournament. I used to/still main Falcon except for Garb matchups like Shiek lol or matchups I like more as Marth like Peach.

 

[Blistering Speed]

I've decided Marth is very underrated in the current metagame. Sheik as well, but to a lesser extent. Just because everyone stopped playing them doesn't stop them being good. The only noteworthy Sheik there is is Amsah and look how well he did. As far as Marth, well, there's just no one so notable now M2k plays three characters and is rusty. Still, look what Falcomist is accomplishing now he's maining him.

 

[KAOSTAR]

There are more notable sheiks than marth.

Whether they main that character is one thing, but it really doesnt matter. For example, mango is a notable falco, fox, falco, while being a puff main.

M2k has a top level sheik as well. and there are other high level sheiks like kira drephen tope plairnk.

Marth is good, but he is probably the lowest of the top, or top of the high.

 

[Blistering Speed]

There are more notable sheiks than marth.

Whether they main that character is one thing, but it really doesnt matter. For example, mango is a notable falco, fox, falco, while being a puff main.

M2k has a top level sheik as well. and there are other high level sheiks like kira drephen tope plairnk.

Marth is good, but he is probably the lowest of the top, or top of the high.

This is my point. There ARE no noteworthy Marths anymore, HBK doesn't place high and Falcomist is relatively new to it, so people just seem to forget about said character and assume popularity is often correlated with quality of character. This is why people now think things like Falco beats Marth (something I reject outright), because there's nothing pushing Marth to prove them wrong.

 

[TheManaLord]

marth is actually pretty bad top level these days. people can di way better and cg's aren't real

 

[Blistering Speed]

Better DI affects Falco even worse but he seems to have risen anyway (advances in metagame I know, I know). And yes, CG's are very real still, m2k's just not as consistent technically anymore.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

marth is actually pretty bad top level these days. people can di way better and cg's aren't real

 

[otg]

Wow Mana, you continue to shock me with your *********** lol.

 

[KAOSTAR]

CAn we all just get along?

I just dont understand why marth isnt just ******. He is good, but I honestly dont believe he is AS good as we originally thought.

OR his meta game could be behind, or at least ppl arent taking adv of newer techniques, aside from nobody playing marth.

 

[Winston]

CAn we all just get along?

I just dont understand why marth isnt just ******. He is good, but I honestly dont believe he is AS good as we originally thought.

OR his meta game could be behind, or at least ppl arent taking adv of newer techniques, aside from nobody playing marth.

I don't think it's that crazy that Marth isn't doing so well.

Partly it's just character popularity (like how Sheik was horribly underrepresented a few years back).

Partly it's just that Marth is a cut below the other top tiers. He has trouble with Falcon and Jiggs, and tons of trouble with Sheik (who is is making a resurgence).

 

[Anth0ny]

Marth is still a great character in today's metagame.

Just not as great as Falco. Or Jiggs. Or Sheik. Or Fox.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Yea, Like I said, marth is top of high or bottom of top.

But he is still good tho

 

[Incronaut]

jiggs is the new marth

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Sheik (who is is making a resurgence).

Cool deal.

Marth isn't that hard to deal with,really marth is one of my favorite match-ups whenn I once thought he would be unbareable. marth just has no seeable flaws other than recovery. Not as bad as falco is can just rack up damage like no one's bussiness

 

[DMG]

Marth should be doing better. I think it's solely because he's just not as played as he should be. I don't think the character as a whole is slipping or that much behind the rest of top tier.

 

[Blistering Speed]

I think Marth's would actually prosper moreso then usual in the current metagame with the massive amount of spacies.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Marth should be doing better. I think it's solely because he's just not as played as he should be. I don't think the character as a whole is slipping or that much behind the rest of top tier.

But it sounds like you agree he is behind. He is one of the best.

but not 2nd to fox by any means.

 

[Kanelol]

The way the metagame for a lot of characters has advanced (Jiggs mainly) and the new emphasis on spacing and strong mental game, (Hi mango) you'd think Marth would be even better in the hands of someone who can aim those tippers. As you all no doubt recall, back in the MLG days, Azen was known for phenomenal spacing that allowed him to **** the **** out of people at relatively low percents just because of the frame perfect spacing right before the forward smash.

Scrubs opinion, don't nerd rage at me

 

[strawhats]

there's one person who can make marth god like again...Jason Zimmerman (m2k) best marth ever, has no confidence in his marth anymore and therefore is guided by Match ups (he only uses marth against spacies) when in 2k7-early 2k8 he used marth in almost every matchup including against falcon. Jason has gotten lazy and is not frame perfect anymore with marth, Brawl Johns.

Unless M2K, Azen, Ken make comebacks I dont know how far marth will go. My dream is to become a top marth player and take up the mantle that Ken, and M2K left.

 

[gm jack]

there's one person who can make marth god like again...Jason Zimmerman (m2k) best marth ever, has no confidence in his marth anymore and therefore is guided by Match ups (he only uses marth against spacies) when in 2k7-early 2k8 he used marth in almost every matchup including against falcon. Jason has gotten lazy and is not frame perfect anymore with marth, Brawl Johns.

Unless M2K, Azen, Ken make comebacks I dont know how far marth will go. My dream is to become a top marth player and take up the mantle that Ken, and M2K left.

His Sheik is good enough to destroy Falcons with ease. Why would he make it more tricky than it has to be?

That said, as he is splitting attention between games, I feel m2k is simply being left behind by people who focus on melee. While he can switch well and plays both games to top level, he isn't so overwhelmingly good that he can realistically hope to take down Mango, Armada etc when they simply have more time put into the game.

 

[DMG]

Yeah watching M2K's Shiek against Falcon is a whole lot of "Jason, that was sick and gay at the same time" lol. There's no reason for him to use Marth when his Shiek is probably good enough to beat any Falcon on Earth, whether it be because he is genuinely better than them, or that the matchup is terrible, or a combination of both.

With that said, I think he should go back more to Marth for other matchups (Puff, Falco for the most part unless he is on some Amsah status and just goes to town on Falco players)

 

[Cosmo!]

marth is a bad character

also zelda should be mid tier, below ganon

 

[Pink Reaper]

and right above Roy. Obviously.

 

[Cosmo!]

Roy is terrible, seriously

 

[Vts]

Roy is terrible, seriously

I would say the worst just cus his moves are so obvious but he does have combos... somehow

 

[KAOSTAR]

Yeah watching M2K's Shiek against Falcon is a whole lot of "Jason, that was sick and gay at the same time" lol. There's no reason for him to use Marth when his Shiek is probably good enough to beat any Falcon on Earth, whether it be because he is genuinely better than them, or that the matchup is terrible, or a combination of both.

With that said, I think he should go back more to Marth for other matchups (Puff, Falco for the most part unless he is on some Amsah status and just goes to town on Falco players)

Yea, at Tourney play 4 m2k beat SS with his sheik.

afterwards they played some games, granted they were friendlys, but ss was beating m2ks other characters.

I see no reason to switch from sheik in that situation. I see no reason to do something other than a marth ditto. I see no reason to play brawl. I forgot he makes mad money so I see 1 reason, but its like that job you hate.

 

[iamthemicrowave]

also ss took a game from m2k which puts him in the exclusive club of "I took a game from m2k in tournament"

members:
dr pp
jman
kels
ss
col bol
alot more peepz

 

[Divinokage]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpQQ0D-Rm44 =(((( I still hate that match lol.

 

[KAOSTAR]

also ss took a game from m2k which puts him in the exclusive club of "I took a game from m2k in tournament"

members:
dr pp
jman
kels
ss
col bol
alot more peepz

Eggz took a game off m2k, blunted object has also taken a game off m2k.

armada mango zhu hbox have beaten him

recently

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

also ss took a game from m2k which puts him in the exclusive club of "I took a game from m2k in tournament"

members:
dr pp
jman
kels
ss
col bol
alot more peepz

kels is on that list now too

 

[Dart]

do friendlies where he suicides all four stocks count?

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Roy is terrible, seriously

Yup.

Bad air game and recovery are bad.

What happened to Marth?
I thought he would be used more often than this.
I guess I have another main when I return to the competitive scene.

I also think Yoshi is good enough to be out of the bottom tier, but I kinda understand why he's down there.

 

[gm jack]

Yoshi does have a lot of good points, but his horrible OoS game just puts him in some horrible spots.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Lack of oos game lol.

I think he can still jump oos during the end and beginning of the shield animation, trash IMO.

Id play him if he didnt have that problem

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

just checked, he cant jump during the end of the shield animation, but he can at the start (jsut like every other character)

 

[Magus420]

To be more specific, he can only jump out of the powershield type of guard-on (guard-reflect) before the shield comes out. If you hold shield as you come out of lag, do less than a full shield press, or press the shield too slowly and lightshield for more than 1 frame before clicking down all the way you can't jump out of the startup. Also, though you can still jump out when lightshielding 1 frame before full shielding, it kills the invincibility he usually gets because you switch animations.