Meta Knight Q&A Thread

[mountain_tiger]

If I were to consider Meta Knight as a secondary, realistically what's his learning curve? A week?

 

[Gates]

A day.

But seriously, it depends how good you want to be with him. If you want to be average, a week is fine but if you want to be good with him you'll definitely need more practice.

 

[betterthanbonds9]

what the heck is the extended dimensional cape?

and how does one do it?

 

[V]

If I were to consider Meta Knight as a secondary, realistically what's his learning curve? A week?

It depends on how good you want to be with him. Obviously it will take much longer than a week to be M2K status, but to get the general feel for his moves and everything, probably around a week or so would be correct.

 

[noodles]

mk is tougher to be good with than most people think

 

[Affinity]

Ignore This

 

[Avion]

what the heck is the extended dimensional cape?

and how does one do it?

This.

And also, which when gliding to the ground, which leaves me with less or no lag? Pressing B just before the ground to cancel it, or A just before the ground to glide attack into it?

 

[Affinity]

what the heck is the extended dimensional cape?

and how does one do it?

Extended Dimensional Cape = Infinite Dimensional Cape. It's a banned technique.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36fqFU7hlsc

And also, which when gliding to the ground, which leaves me with less or no lag? Pressing B just before the ground to cancel it, or A just before the ground to glide attack into it?

Glide attacking into to the ground cancels all lag, but I don't think there's a whole lot of difference between doing that and just pressing B.

 

[Aesthetic]

Can MK cancel the lag on his dimensional cape when he ends the move at a similar height, similar to the way he cancels the tornado?

 

[earla]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpqBKTK_iqY

Fiction says theres 'ALOT MORE' applications than in this video. what are they?

 

[haloman800]

Can MK cancel the lag on his dimensional cape when he ends the move at a similar height, similar to the way he cancels the tornado?

Meta Knight can cancel his tornado ending lag??? Please someone tell me how if so.

 

[Affinity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpqBKTK_iqY

Fiction says theres 'ALOT MORE' applications than in this video. what are they?

There's really not much more than that. The Pro-Ban side exaggerates a lot of things.

Meta Knight can cancel his tornado ending lag??? Please someone tell me how if so.

By ending your tornado at around this height...

...you'll auto-cancel it.

 

[earla]

1. Whats the frame data for mk's grab speed?

2. Is there a difference between standing, dash grab and pivot grab in speed and range?

3. What are applications for reverse shuttle loop?

4. Is metaknights get up attack useful?

 

[Jupz]

1. Looking it up now, I'll get back to you soon.

2. Pivot grab has slightly more range then a standing or dash grab. You will slide when you dash grab them

3. If you're offstage attempting a gimp, you can reverse shuttle loop to kill them or knock them out further and glide back onstage. Or if you're under the stage you can reverse shuttle loop up and cancel with no lag on the stage. There are many applications, including surprise.

4. Ehh... its not bad for a get up attack, but it can be shielded and punished.

 

[Affinity]

1. Whats the frame data for mk's grab speed?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=205614

 

[Jupz]

Do you guys know where the thread is that has all characters grab data? I think it was in tactical discussion, I can't search because my computer freezes halfway through loading the page :|

 

[Aesthetic]

@Affinity, does ending MK's dimensional cape at that height also it's ending lag?

 

[Jupz]

I just tested it and it appears that it does

 

[Coffee™]

Extended Dimensional Cape = Infinite Dimensional Cape. It's a banned technique.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36fqFU7hlsc

EDC isn't the exact same thing as IDC since it doesn't involve a use of the Cstick and it has different restrictions.

 

[earla]

how do you do EDC then? and what are the restrictions?

 

[Coffee™]

Essentially, you use the Dimensional Cape, and rapidly rotate the analog stick in quarter circles in the direction you want to go. The result is similar to the Infinite Dimensional Cape, except that you are moving and cannot stop the movement without ending the cape, and it will stop when you release or reach the ledge. No C-stick is involved, so it is easily distinguished from regular Infinite Dimensional Cape.

 

[GanonkingAbyss]

i'm just wondering, right now im still not completely used to mk, and my reflexes w/him aren't really great, but would it be good to follow a ftilt w/ dtilt? i think ive seen ppl sdi/tdi to hit the ground after getting hit by ftilt or something like that, so i think it might work good to use dtilt, sorry if this has already been asked before

 

[smasher01]

use the first 2 hits of your ftilt than follow with a down tilt. but only if its perfectly spaced

dont try with the third hit of your ftilt only do the third hit of ftilt if your 100% sure it will hit or you will be punished
easy

 

[Aesthetic]

I just tested it and it appears that it does

Thanks a lot for that! :D

 

[Jupz]

No problem lol.

Does anyone know where the thread is that has everyones frame data for grabs?

 

[Affinity]

Does anyone know where the thread is that has everyones frame data for grabs?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=234915

This is the first frame on which the grabs hit for the whole cast. It should be handy to figure out which of your grabs are best and how they compare to other characters.

Character: Standing grab, Running Grab, Pivot Grab
Mario: 6, 12, 11
Luigi: 6, 12, 11
Peach: 6, 6, 13
Bowser: 9, 10, 9
Donkey Kong: 8, 10, 10
Diddy Kong: 6, 10, 8
Yoshi: 17, 11, 10
Wario: 6, 10, 8
Link: 12, 14, 15
Zelda: 12, 11, 14
Sheik: 6, 7, 8
Ganondorf: 7, 11, 10
Toon Link: 12, 14, 15
Samus: 17, 17, 19
Zero Suit Samus: 16, 16, 16
Pit: 6, 10, 9
Ice Climbers: 6, 8, 8
R.O.B.: 6, 9, 10
Kirby: 6, 10, 10
Meta Knight: 6, 8, 7
King Dedede: 6, 9, 7
Olimar: 11, 11, 11
Fox: 6, 11, 9
Falco: 6, 11, 9
Wolf: 6, 11, 9
Captain Falcon: 7, 11, 16
Pikachu: 6, 9, 10
Squirtle: 6, 8, 9
Ivysaur: 13, 13, 13
Charizard: 6, 8, 10
Lucario: 6, 8, 9
Jigglypuff: 6, 10, 10
Marth: 6, 9, 9
Ike: 7, 12, 9
Ness: 6, 8, 6
Lucas: 13, 16, 15
Mr. Game & Watch: 6, 9, 10
Snake: 8, 11, 9
Sonic: 6, 10, 10

I might update this with durations (on whiff) and pummel data later.

 

[Jupz]

Thanks, affinity

 

[Palpi]

Everyone knows of the dash attack turn around and grab at low %, but yesterday i did dash attack, pivot grab.
(Dash attack left, dash right, pivot grab to the left). It was too high percents to just do a turn around grab, I would've missed it. Just seeing if anyone else has done this, I havn't seen it before.

It looked sexy as hell.

 

[GanonkingAbyss]

use the first 2 hits of your ftilt than follow with a down tilt. but only if its perfectly spaced

dont try with the third hit of your ftilt only do the third hit of ftilt if your 100% sure it will hit or you will be punished
easy

thanks, yeah i noticed that a lot of the time when i use all three ftilt hits they just dodge behind me and i couldn't do anything and i wasn't sure how to fix it.

about the thing w/dtilt i noticed it around 0:10 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haMc1zByd-8&feature=related i think they used tdi or something to avoid getting launched up, im wondering that if ppl do it a lot, or if i should be expecting them to and follow w/a dtilt

 

[haloman800]

There's really not much more than that. The Pro-Ban side exaggerates a lot of things.


By ending your tornado at around this height...

...you'll auto-cancel it.

Thank you.

Edit: Is it faster to end it on that height or end it when it's touching the ground?

 

[smasher01]

thanks, yeah i noticed that a lot of the time when i use all three ftilt hits they just dodge behind me and i couldn't do anything and i wasn't sure how to fix it.

about the thing w/dtilt i noticed it around 0:10 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haMc1zByd-8&feature=related i think they used tdi or something to avoid getting launched up, im wondering that if ppl do it a lot, or if i should be expecting them to and follow w/a dtilt

o i really dont know how they do that. but you can avoid it buy spacing your self right in the first place so you dont put your self in that situation.

How do they do that lol?

 

[earla]

i have my R set as special.

when i shuttle loop out of shield. i jump then up R simultaneously.
(tap jump off)

is it as fast as if i had tap jump on and just pressed up and B out of shield?

there shouldn't be any difference?

 

[Palpi]

Have tap jump on.

 

[Dracospawn]

I can't seem to do meta knight's extended dimensional cape. I hold down and tap up on the C stick with my game cube controlled but don't really see a substantial difference. Are there any other requirements to be know about?

 

[Palpi]

you need to have the c-stick reset to the center position every time you press up.

 

[Jupz]

Thank you.

Edit: Is it faster to end it on that height or end it when it's touching the ground?

Exactly the same, 35 frames

 

[llamapaste]

Why do many Metaknight players dash attack so much? Can't it get shield grabbed? Is his DACUS any worse than is dash attack?

 

[etecoon]

because they are over aggressive(although it is a good combo starter and has great range for punishing), yes it can, and MK doesn't have a DACUS.

 

[Jupz]

Actually, every character has a DACUS, but MK's is no different to his hyphen smash, and his Usmash sucks because its easy to SDI out of.

 

[Dracospawn]

you need to have the c-stick reset to the center position every time you press up.

ok thanks