Melee Match-Up Chart (NTSC) [Update 008 - 09.09.28]

[Fly_Amanita]

Whenever I correctly guess worldjem7's password.

 

[wool]

Whenever I correctly guess worldjem7's password.

Looool
Matchup charts lookin' good guys keep it up.

 

[AnDaLe]

Some stuff i disagree with, but for the most part i understand some reasons why they're set like this. good stuff.

 

[KAOSTAR]

wow this finished rather quickly

 

[SonuvaBeach]

wow this finished rather quickly

So many matchups repeated so many times. I'm sure it'll start the cycle again soon

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

or we will just stop arguing because this thread has no structure. 85% of the people that post in this thread don't even know what "the top level of play" is.

 

[x After Dawn x]

or we will just stop arguing because this thread has no structure. 85% of the people that post in this thread don't even know what "the top level of play" is.

this is coming from the person who said peach vs marth is in peach's favor?

 

[N64]

this is coming from the person who said peach vs marth is in peach's favor?

Doesn't mean he isn't including himself in the 85% necessarily, though I don't know whether or not he is.

Can't wait for teh update.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

and then corrected myself like 5 posts later.

not to mention i barely understood what the highest level meant at the time, and while i can say i understand it better now i know in a month i will understand it even more.

leave this stuff up to the SBR, they are probably working on a new tier list already.

 

[x After Dawn x]

leave this stuff up to the SBR, they are probably working on a new tier list already.

then why is it called the SBR official "final" melee tier list? I haven't heard them announcing that they're making another one, so all we're left to assume is that that was their final tier list.

 

[Strong Badam]

leave this stuff up to the SBR, they are probably working on a new tier list already.

they don't make match-up charts.
& what kind of tier list is based on tournament placings and then its creators refuse to acknowledge the fact that the entire top tier hasn't been winning national tournaments lately? at least be consistent

 

[Divinokage]

this is coming from the person who said peach vs marth is in peach's favor?

I'm starting to think that Peach vs Ganon is in Peach favor. I mean I can't win vs Vwins and I got ***** by Armada. Once you are off stage it's pretty much garanteed death, it's stupid lol.

 

[unknown522]

I'm starting to think that Peach vs Ganon is in Peach favor. I mean I can't win vs Vwins and I got ***** by Armada. Once you are off stage it's pretty much garanteed death, it's stupid lol.

really kage?

 

[idea]

I'm sure the SBR has the same problems with vagueness and choice of contributors as this thread does. But at least here the issues are transparent.

...They put marth as the 2nd best character O_O

really kage?

hahaha

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'm starting to think that Peach vs Ganon is in Peach favor. I mean I can't win vs Vwins and I got ***** by Armada. Once you are off stage it's pretty much garanteed death, it's stupid lol.

Linguini almost beat Armada in a MM. So I disagree. Given their difference in skill, I think Ganon actually counters Peach because it was close and Armada is clearly better than Linguini.

[/anecdotal evidence]

 

[phish-it]

Yeah I always thought Peach vs. Ganon was even, both characters can **** eachother. Ganon can outrange and keep her at bay but once she gets in can do alot of damage.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I think I should be allowed to use anecdotal evidence too as the basis for everything now.

Sheik loses to Peach 70-30 because when Sheik gets hit off Peach always gets bob-ombs and therefore Sheik can never recover.

 

[NES n00b]

So when Peach gets hit off what I am guessing the stage, she has a bob-omb, which it somehow appears by some glitch or catches one in sudden death, so Sheik runs off the stage chasing after and therefore she cannot recover back to the stage with the overpowered edgeguard that comes with the bob-omb.

Am I rite?

 

[KirbyKaze]

I put Peach where I meant to put Sheik. Monster typo.

 

[Lovage]

can you catch the bob-ombs that fall in sudden death?

 

[KirbyKaze]

Hmmm I really don't know.

 

[N64]

Can you catch an item while in hitstun?

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'm pretty sure you can't.

 

[john!]

Can you pat your head and rub your belly at the same time?

 

[KirbyKaze]

Not with one hand. Although with a foot massage roller and some years of research into reflexology, I might pull something off. Too much effort though.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Can you catch an item while in hitstun?

na, that would be el rapo.

I know that you cant catch m2s shadowballs in his forward throw unless you are on the same team or invincible becuz of the hitstun from the previous shadowballs.

you can catch them while flashing, like when you up B and havent landed yet. or airdodge etc etc

 

[idea]

Is it water on the knee?

Spoiler

Actually, I've already gotten two spam infractions from this thread, so...who wins in...kirby-zelda <_<

 

[unknown522]

kirby beats zelda =P

 

[KirbyKaze]

Zelda sucks at attacking Kirby's duck because she can't rising jump aerial on it, she can't shield grab it, she can't normal grab it, and she can't do ground moves on it because they're all weak and horrible and Kirby will get better moves if she tries it.

She has to be descending with an aerial or use a move from her ground game to hit him, which makes Kirby awesome.

Kirby sucks at approaching Zelda from the air. He can waddle around really low to the ground pretty effectively, though, which is pretty good. And for once someone actually has a lower overall movement speed than Kirby.

If only Kirby didn't die in 4 hits. And do a whole 10% when he got in on her.

 

[Pink Reaper]

If I were to take mow's word for it, Zelda beats Kirby(as well as every other character up until like, Sheik) but to be honest im with Unknown(who was probably joking) and KK(who wasn't) on this one. Kirby can just CC camp Zelda for **** near ever and she cant do **** about it. Her aerials are so stupidly easy to see coming that you should never ever be letting yourself get hit by them. Kirby can also just Bair her forever and she can't really do much about it(Except powershield with that ******** easy PS she has) Also, zelda cant do anything if she's above Kirby. Except use Down B. She should always use Down B.

 

[Skler]

Hearing that discussion makes me want to play Kirby vs Zelda.

Nothing sounds like more fun than crouching in front of Zelda and doing dtilts/ftilts/whatever other attacks Kirby has.

 

[KAOSTAR]

I would hate to be zelda at that point.

down b or rage quit-only options

 

[unknown522]

If I were to take mow's word for it, Zelda beats Kirby(as well as every other character up until like, Sheik) but to be honest im with Unknown(who was probably joking) and KK(who wasn't) on this one. Kirby can just CC camp Zelda for **** near ever and she cant do **** about it. Her aerials are so stupidly easy to see coming that you should never ever be letting yourself get hit by them. Kirby can also just Bair her forever and she can't really do much about it(Except powershield with that ******** easy PS she has) Also, zelda cant do anything if she's above Kirby. Except use Down B. She should always use Down B.

I think it's even. Maybe 55-45 for kirby.

 

[rhan]

I just looked at that chart.

Young Link goes 40-60 against both Jiggs and Peach????

You play against both characters the same way. It's just that Jiggs has a slight advantage over Young Link. Peach gets wrecked by Young Link.

Peach play: Camp projectiles and she can't even get close. She can even counter by using Turnips against you because either she's too slow on pulling them out before she gets hit or the projectiles stop them in their tracks. If the Peach starts to get close you just Nair her in the face and run away and camp more. Then if you feel pleased with her damage you just finish with a Uair or a bomb to Dair.

My final ruling: Peach goes at best, 45-55 against Young Link. At least, she goes 40-60.

Jigg play: It's about the same except that Jiggs is a little more confusing to play a against. But Jiggs can counter projectiles back with her aerial priority. And if Young Link makes one mistake then it's that stock. But on the off side if Young Link can get projectile control then it's about as easy as fighting against a Peach. You do basically the same strat against Both characters.

My final ruling: Jiggs goes at best, 55-45 against Young Link. At worse, it's 50-50.

 

[Rat]

Young Link camps projectiles and uses nair?! Metagame Level-up!

 

[SonuvaBeach]

Peach gets wrecked by Young Link.
My final ruling: Peach goes at best, 45-55 against Young Link. At least, she goes 40-60.
My final ruling: Jiggs goes at best, 55-45 against Young Link. At worse, it's 50-50.

You are underestimating Peach's ability to get through projectiles and overestimating YL in general.

Young Link camps projectiles and uses nair?! Metagame Level-up!

exactly

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

assume horrible, horrible camping

I was already assuming this from the spacies, but still.

90/10?

 

[eagletrent242]

You are underestimating Peach's ability to get through projectiles and overestimating YL in general.

You're telling me PEACH can get through constant spams of three different projectiles?! Why isn't she top tier?!?!

 

[Divinokage]

Yes, she definitely can.. wtf at random Brawl scrubs posting now.. lol.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I thought it was pretty well known that peach was YL's best high tier match-up and that it was either even or he had a slight advantage