How do I do a Barrel Roll? ~ Fox Q&A (Check the OP)

[Zhamy]

i have the turbo button on my controller and i find it easy to use for neutral B and i can do SHTLs better with it but its kinda sticky and gets in the way... should i use it or not?

1) Why are you using a turbo controller? That's not an excuse to slack on tech skill. You're not going to get any better like that. Also, how the hell do you plan to move around while lasering if that button is on?

2) SHTLs are usually not as good as SHDLs. You should be working on spacing and positioning.

3) Why the **** are you using a turbo controller?

4) Why the **** are you using a turbo contoller?

5) Why the **** are you using a turbo contoller?

 

[GwJ]

6) Don't bother, TOs don't allow those controllers in anyway.

 

[718_ROOKI3]

6) Don't bother, TOs don't allow those controllers in anyway.

Turbo controllers are illegal in tourny

 

[DarkAura]

k lol thanks for that... i only just found out what that thing did anyways. THANKS FOR THE INFO IM SO HAPPY MY QUESTIONS ACTUALLY GET ANSWERED!


EDIT: i have a turbo controller cause i cant find a regular one ANYWHERE and by anywhere i mean every eb games i can find

 

[GwJ]

Turbo controllers are illegal in tourny

Isn't that what I just said?

 

[Hero.]

Is shine spiking still working in brawl?

 

[Zhamy]

Is shine spiking still working in brawl?

Yes, but it usually takes 2 shines to kill someone, rather than a single one.

(Unless you're playing against Link.)

 

[HiddenBowser]

Some characters pretty much can't get shine spiked, while others die like a ***** if they get hit.

 

[Hero.]

Is there a list of who can be shined and who can't?

 

[Zhamy]

Is there a list of who can be shined and who can't?

Oh, the irony.

Everyone can be shined. Everyone can also be shine-spiked. It's all situational, though. Just practice it.

 

[GwJ]

Yea, there's no guaranteed kill that always works on a certain character. It's all based on distance from the ledge, momentum (see Link), recovery, and some small things.

 

[HiddenBowser]

anyone know many frames uair lasts? It wasn't in the frame data thread.

 

[Curaga]

Spamming the laser a lot, cheap, or just a part of Fox's playstyle?

Question arises by a lot of negativity targeted at my Fox, as I'm notorious for keep-away laser spam and hit-and-run combos. Especially against opponents who lack projectiles. (MK, Marth) Is the negative feedback due to the laser's effectiveness in gaining the advantage(i.e. Winning), or is there an unwritten rule that I have to only shoot my laser once or twice and rush at opponents who are more formidable in close combat. (MK, Marth)

 

[Zhamy]

Spamming the laser a lot, cheap, or just a part of Fox's playstyle?

Question arises by a lot of negativity targeted at my Fox, as I'm notorious for keep-away laser spam and hit-and-run combos. Especially against opponents who lack projectiles. (MK, Marth) Is the negative feedback due to the laser's effectiveness in gaining the advantage(i.e. Winning), or is there an unwritten rule that I have to only shoot my laser once or twice and rush at opponents who are more formidable in close combat. (MK, Marth)

Your opponents are just annoyed that you're kicking their *****. It's a mental tool, and if you're getting into their heads with it, then you're playing correctly. Of course, if they start telling you it's "cheap" or whatnot, it's time to find new friends to play with.

 

[Curaga]

Your opponents are just annoyed that you're kicking their *****. It's a mental tool, and if you're getting into their heads with it, then you're playing correctly. Of course, if they start telling you it's "cheap" or whatnot, it's time to find new friends to play with.

These are people who are used to placing 1st and 2nd in tournaments (MK), so I guess that explains it. Thanks for the response! There are other really good players who see my "Running away and being cheap" as a legit strat. Guess there's no shame in being hated for doing something well.

 

[SnowballBob33]

Normally people who place high don't john about things being cheap. Just keep playing the way you do.
Also, there is no excuse at all metaknight should be making about anything, let that be icies, camping, grab release, nothing at all. If the keep talkin crap just let them read this article (if they haven't already) and they wont complain anymore. http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

 

[Zhamy]

Sirlin is a ****ing idiot most of the time.

 

[HiddenBowser]

I've never been a fan of that self help sirlin ****... I still don't know what most of those fighting terms that people use all the time are, for example zoning, lol.

 

[SnowballBob33]

I just use it for the scrub analogy. It's useful to copy and paste to people on aib who keep annoying you about spam.

 

[HiddenBowser]

spamming **** in brawl is good, lol.

 

[DarkAura]

spamming lasers and hit and run combo's are what make fox fun to main

 

[Zephil]

the strategy hit and run is very common in brawl... fox uses it, sonic also, some falcos, and of course rob so whats the problem whit hit and run strategy... is awesome and is legit so spam hit and run!

 

[Toronto Joe]

its especially satisfying when you run the timer on people with fox

 

[2001]

Quick question, Fair to Uair is a possible combo at some times (certain characters and percents) right?

 

[Exceladon City]

Hey XeroXen, quit lurking and play me.

 

[Curaga]

Quick question, Fair to Uair is a possible combo at some times (certain characters and percents) right?

I've pulled it off before but it takes accurate placement and is only feasible at certain percentages and scenarios. Its good stuff.

And I agree with DarkAura. Whenever I'm in a match up where I don't feel comfortable with Sonic I always switch to my Melee main Fox and take care of busniess by pelting on as much damage as humanly possible with the laser. Its tons of fun.

 

[SnowballBob33]

Fair to uair works sometimes. If you do get it to work, normally your are at the top of the stage with fair and will get the kill.

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

However, forward air to forward air is usually preferred.

 

[UzakiuzuG]

DETAILS
S Rank «Uber» 40.19%
1 Meta Knight (80 top8, 49 top4, 46 top2, 47 wins) - 1836.7
2 Snake (69 top8, 47 top4, 15 top2, 27 wins) - 939.5

A Rank «Overused» 23.85%
3 King Dedede (28 top8, 19 top4, 13 top2, 12 wins) - 497.6
4 Diddy Kong (39 top8, 21 top4, 8 top2, 11 wins) - 457.5
5 Wario (32 top8, 23 top4, 11 top2, 6 wins) - 381.3
6 Marth (41 top8, 17 top4, 6 top2, 9 wins) - 310.7

B Rank «Standard» 20.99%
7 Falco (37 top8, 24 top4, 6 top2, 4 wins) - 230.1
8 Pikachu (8 top8, 5 top4, 4 top2, 4 wins) - 186.0
9 Ice Climbers (16 top8, 11 top4, 7 top2, 4 wins) - 184.6
10 ROB (22 top8, 11 top4, 5 top2, 2 wins) - 162.0 - 11
11 Pit (16 top8, 11 top4, 2 wins) - 154.8 - 10
12 Olimar (23 top8, 10 top4, 6 top2, 2 wins) - 151.5
13 Donkey Kong (13 top8, 6 top4, 3 top2, 4 wins) - 134.3 - 15
14 Kirby (15 top8, 8 top4, 4 top2, 4 wins) - 127.1 - 13
15 Mr. Game & Watch (26 top8, 12 top4, 2 top2, 2 wins) - 119.2 - 14

C Rank «Borderline» 11.83%
16 Lucario (17 top8, 9 top4, 1 top2, 3 wins) - 108.1
17 Sonic (9 top8, 4 top4, 5 top2, 3 wins) - 97.7
18 Pokémon Trainer (3 top8, 1 top4, 6 top2, 1 win) - 92.9
19 Zero Suit Samus (14 top8, 5 top4, 3 top2, 3 wins) - 83.6 - 24
20 Toon Link (12 top8, 5 top4, 3 top2, 1 win) - 78.2 - 19
21 Luigi (13 top8, 5 top4, 1 top2, 3 wins) - 78.1
22 Peach (10 top8, 6 top4, 2 top2, 3 wins) - 76.6 - 20
23 Zelda/Sheik (10 top8, 4 top4, 2 wins) - 76.1 - 22
24 Fox (16 top8, 5 top4, 2 top2, 1 win) - 68.0 - 23
25 Lucas (11 top8, 2 top4, 4 top2, 1 win) - 58.2

D Rank «Underused» 1.97%
26 Wolf (21 top8, 7 top4, 4 top2, 1 win) - 53.8
27 Yoshi (8 top8, 6 top4, 1 top2, 1 win) - 46.9
28 Ike (4 top8, 3 top4, 1 top2, 2 wins) - 35.2 - 29

E Rank «Never Used» 1.17%
29 Ness (6 top8, 2 top4, 1 win) - 24.3 - 28
30 Jigglypuff (3 top8, 1 top4, 1 win) - 16.7
31 Link (5 top8, 2 top4) - 10.8
32 Ganondorf (2 top4) - 9.9
33 Mario (7 top8, 1 top4) - 6.1
34 Bowser (5 top8) - 6.0
35 Samus (4 top8) - 4.7 - 36
36 Captain Falcon (4 top8, 1 top4) - 2.5 - 35






Most up-to-date rankings, no details: (last updated May 20, 2009)

S: Meta Knight, Snake
A: King Dedede, Diddy Kong, Wario, Marth
B: Falco, Pikachu, Ice Climbers, ROB, Pit, Olimar, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Mr. Game & Watch
C: Lucario, Sonic, Pokémon Trainer, Zero Suit Samus, Toon Link, Luigi, Peach, Zelda/Sheik, Fox, Lucas
D: Wolf, Yoshi, Ike
E: Ness, Jigglypuff, Link, Ganondorf, Mario, Bowser, Samus, Captain Falcon




Past Lists
February/March 2009
S: Meta Knight, Snake
A: King Dedede, Wario, Diddy Kong, Mr. Game & Watch, Marth
B: ROB, Falco, Ice Climbers, Zero Suit Samus, Kirby, Olimar, Lucario, Luigi, Donkey Kong
C: Pit, Pikachu, Pokémon Trainer, Sonic, Fox, Peach, Lucas, Toon Link
D: Wolf, Samus, Zelda/Sheik, Yoshi, Ness
E: Ike, Jigglypuff, Ganondorf, Link, Mario, Bowser, Captain Falcon

Winter 2008/2009
S: Meta Knight
A: Snake, Falco
B: Wario, King Dedede, Mr. Game & Watch, Diddy Kong, Marth
C: Ice Climbers, Kirby, ROB, Zero Suit Samus, Lucario, Olimar, Donkey Kong
D: (Toon Link, Luigi), Pikachu, Wolf, Sonic, Pit, (Fox, Peach), Pokémon Trainer, Zelda/Sheik, Ness, Ike
E: Lucas, Captain Falcon, Samus, (Yoshi, Mario), Jigglypuff, Ganondorf, Bowser, Link

Fall 2008
S: Meta Knight
A: Snake, King Dedede
B: (Falco, Marth), (Mr. Game & Watch, Wario), Lucario, (Diddy Kong, Olimar), ROB
C: Kirby, (Wolf, Peach), Pikachu, (Ice Climbers, Donkey Kong), Sonic, Zero Suit Samus
D: (Bowser, Zelda/Sheik, Toon Link, Ike, Luigi, Pit), Fox
E: (Ness, Yoshi, Mario), Pokémon Trainer, (Link, Captain Falcon), (Lucas, Samus), Jigglypuff, Ganondorf

August/September 2008
*: Meta Knight
S: Snake
A: (Wario, King Dedede), (Falco, Mr. Game & Watch)
B: Marth, (Lucario, ROB, Diddy Kong), (Kirby, Pikachu, Olimar, Peach)
C: Wolf, (Pit, Donkey Kong), Ice Climbers
D: Zero Suit Samus, Toon Link, (Pokémon Trainer, Sonic, Luigi, Zelda/Sheik), Fox, Mario
E: (Bowser, Sheik, Yoshi, Zelda, Link, Ike, Ness), Samus, (Jigglypuff, Lucas), (Ganondorf, Captain Falcon)

July/August 2008
S: Meta Knight, Snake
A: Wario, (King Dedede, Falco, Mr. Game & Watch), Marth
B: (Lucario, ROB, Diddy Kong), (Donkey Kong, Kirby)
C: (Peach, Pikachu), (Olimar, Wolf), (Ice Climbers, Pit), Zero Suit Samus
D: Fox, Ike, (Sonic, Lucas, Pokémon Trainer, ZeldaSheik)
E: (Toon Link, Jigglypuff, Mario, Zelda), (Luigi, Sheik, Link, Ness, Bowser, Yoshi, Samus), (Ganondorf, Captain Falcon)

 

[UzakiuzuG]

For those who haven't seen. There is a new tier list.

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

Where did you get this tier list from?

 

[HiddenBowser]

...that's not a tier list :/

...am I missing sarcasm here?

 

[Zhamy]

Nah. He's just not making sense.

 

[Fenrir VII]

I have a question, actually...

how come MK's glide attack (possibly other glide attacks, but I haven't seen it) clanks with Fox's aerials?

Like...aerials are not supposed to clank, but Dair clanks the first hit, and then punishes... I've seen Nair clank... what's the cause of this?



Secondly, just to Zhamy... you use the term "boost smash" a lot. Previously, I knew that term as dash attacking, and canceling it with an usmash (DACUS).. is this what you mean by it?

 

[Zhamy]

That's different. DACUS has the dash attack come out, followed by the Usmash (think Falco's, or mortar sliding).

In a boost smash, the dash attack will not come out - you'll just see a long, gliding Usmash.

 

[crifer]

thats just a character rankings list. tourney placings.

Is the Boost smash of Fox useful, I remember it being useless,
but I could be wrong

 

[SnowballBob33]

the boost gets a slide kind of like luigis. his dacus is pointless.

 

[Fenrir VII]

That's different. DACUS has the dash attack come out, followed by the Usmash (think Falco's, or mortar sliding).

In a boost smash, the dash attack will not come out - you'll just see a long, gliding Usmash.

Fair enough. I remember sheiks using the term DACUS (where I got it, actually), and their dash attacks do not come out... but thanks for the clarification. I was thinking the right thing...just wanted to make sure.

 

[SimaMatt]

How does Fox do on Port Town?

 

[Zhamy]

Ohai Sima. I should get back on #awesome some time.

It's kind of like Mute City, I guess? I've never really played there, because it's on the counter/banned list and no one ever picks it.