How do I do a Barrel Roll? ~ Fox Q&A (Check the OP)

[Uzima (Uzi)]

Ok cool but what about the Nair>Shine>Usmash? Is that a true combo?

the problem with any combo into shine is that it gets rid of combos from shine..
lemmy explain.

lets say you drill or nair or what ever combo into hsine, the super tiny bit of lag before you can shine, is enough time to push the opponent away just far enough that the combos from shine are no longer either possible or doable under human reaction time.

its a killer I know, I should prolly spend more time researching this maybe i can find away around this current problem.

 

[KheldarVII]

B-air to D-smash would always work for me.

 

[blukberry]

Can Fox do the dash atk cancel to Usmash like falco or not (where you connect with both hits)???
The fox guide said it was possible but i cant seem to get it.

 

[Zhamy]

No, Fox cannot do that.

He can boost smash, though.

 

[blukberry]

OK thanks I was confused on that
I think I found something useful but I want to know if its been discovered before I continue testing. So yeah its where you do a RARed Bair and then when you land, you get a huge slide. I was able to combo things from the slide like Dsmash, grabs (my bro couldnt jump out), and tilts. They all registered 2 hits in training mode except the grab of course but if the Dsmash combos, Im assuming so does his grab. Although I tested on a Bowser, Id be willing to look further into this with other characters (specifically the smaller ones) if it hasnt been discovered. So yeah, could someone clarify if this new or not.

 

[Zhamy]

Kheldar knows about it, but he never posts anything substantial anymore. The *****. He knows a ton of little tricks with Fox and doesn't share.

 

[blukberry]

Ah too bad i thought i discovered somting new.

 

[HiddenBowser]

What determines if fox's laser has landing lag?

 

[Zhamy]

What determines if fox's laser has landing lag?

What do you mean? If you're firing it correctly, you should only have lag from landing like a normal jump.

 

[HiddenBowser]

Well sometimes when I fire lasers out of the air, I have landing lag, while other times in very similar situations I don't. Like usually I don't but every now and then I do... hmm... I guess it's possible that I'm just ********... If you fire a laser right before you land and you do it correctly, should you not have landing lag?

 

[KheldarVII]

I think that means you're firing them too early. Fox gets lag from lasers when the lasers don't end fast enough while in the air and it'll throw in the spinning gun animation.

EDIT: If you mean regular standard landing lag, you might be getting hit before landing or you were just recovering from/near the ledge with a jump... or another hit.

 

[HiddenBowser]

I think that means you're firing them too early. Fox gets lag from lasers when the lasers don't end fast enough while in the air and it'll throw in the spinning gun animation.

This must be it. Thanks.

 

[FreakingMethodiC]

Well sometimes when I fire lasers out of the air, I have landing lag, while other times in very similar situations I don't. Like usually I don't but every now and then I do... hmm... I guess it's possible that I'm just ********... If you fire a laser right before you land and you do it correctly, should you not have landing lag?

Huh? As long as you fire them in the air you shouldn't have landing lag. It's the same principal as falcos double and single lasers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqwteYeXCCc

YES it's a video of falco. But it's the same **** thing.

 

[HiddenBowser]

You can definitely get lag from lasering in the air at the wrong time, and it's annoying as **** cause they can catch up to you during that time.

 

[Zhamy]

I was looking at it, and I believe Kheldar is right. The spinning gun animation is what's screwing you over. Just don't do it too early and you shouldn't have that problem.

 

[HiddenBowser]

I guess I'll just have to make sure I laser all the way to the ground instead of stopping after I know it won't hit.

Thanks for the help!

 

[RumPuffin]

I don't know if I have been understanding correctly, can you grab release to an upsmash? If so how is it done.

And if no, what and how is just the grab release done. Or if its automatic what is the timing.

 

[Zhamy]

Yes, but only off an air break. Also, this has been answered many, many times. Search around the boards.

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

this is prolly known, but i havnt seen it anywhere, but if you walk towards the ledge and just as you reach it illusion towards the stage you will actually fall a little bit and illusion grab the ledge.

You actually fall like normal while in the beginnings of the illusion animation.

SO far i can only do it B-sticking, so one more reason this is prolly useless

 

[Gotham7]

When do you guys use QCDI? I've read the guide but I want to know how fox's personally use it. Do you guys always use the QCDI or is it not good for all situations?

 

[Zhamy]

When do you guys use QCDI? I've read the guide but I want to know how fox's personally use it. Do you guys always use the QCDI or is it not good for all situations?

Depends on the situation. In Melee, I use it to get out of IC chaingrabs, but in Brawl, you probably want to try to use it to get out of things that have relatively low knockback and might chain into something else. Try it a few times and see what you're comfortable with.

 

[Gotham7]

I'll definitely try using it more I never really used it for DI, I normally tried to mash out things and use the reflector.

 

[Toronto Joe]

if we manage to get an air release,which characters will usmash work on?

 

[Pancakesyo]

cannot find the right thread to post this question so im just gonna throw it out rand

What are good characters to second ?

i main fox ._.

 

[professor mgw]

you can second wolf.

 

[Zhamy]

you can second wolf.

Why would you do this? Wolf is a horrible secondary for Fox.

 

[Toronto Joe]

G&W and MK(duh) are best choices

 

[Exceladon City]

What are good characters to second ?

i main fox ._.

Luigi and Snake.

 

[HiddenBowser]

what Are Good Characters To Second ?

I Main Fox ._.

... Mk

 

[Zephil]

What are good characters to second ?

i main fox ._.

... Mk

enough said... lol... well others secondaries can be marth or snake, I think those two help fox against his worst matchups, specially marth that is the nightmare of G&Ws and pikachus

 

[Pancakesyo]

thanks yo

i think ima focus marth

 

[Zhamy]

Marth is great.

 

[Gotham7]

I second Wario. He covers Fox's match ups quite well.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Not as much as Marth.

 

[darry21]

Best Controller type for fox? And how to make his laser techs not cancel while doing them in the air?

 

[RPK]

Gamecube. Thats what I use, and thats probably what everyone else uses too.

 

[Zhamy]

Best Controller type for fox? And how to make his laser techs not cancel while doing them in the air?

Whatever you're comfortable with, and what the hell does that mean?

 

[M@v]

Best Controller type for fox? And how to make his laser techs not cancel while doing them in the air?

Wait wut

 

[HiddenBowser]

Omg, jumping around like Wario is soooo good... And definitely with lasers too.

 

[darry21]

Whatever you're comfortable with, and what the hell does that mean?

Like when you SHSL and land on the ground sometimes my laser cancels out when I do it repeatedly.